Transcript for KIOTR Chat  -  December 20th, 2008
Topic: Uncanny X-Men #505, and Kiotr Round Robin

 

 

Amokitty

Hi everyone, tonightís chat promises to be very interesting since the topic of discussion includes the LiveJournal Kiotr Round Robin.  Canít wait to get to it!

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Kirayoshi

Happy Hogswatchnight, Amo!

 

Amokitty

Hiya there, K! How are you doing?  :)  Have you frozen solid yet? The weather is sucking BAD.

 

Kirayoshi

We got two feet on Wednesday and Thursday.

 

Amokitty

It's snowing right now, and there'll be hurricane force winds tonight. There's a blizzard warning for some areas of the state. Brrrrrrr!

 

Kirayoshi

OY!

 

Amokitty

I heard the temps in Eastern WA are in the single digits. I feel bad for you too, not just me. ;)

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Kirayoshi

As long as the hot cocoa holds out I'll be fine!

 

xakko

hi, sorry I'm late

 

Amokitty

Hello Xak!! :D

 

Kirayoshi

We just started

 

Amokitty

Yep.

 

xakko

we had some grocery shopping to get done

 

Kirayoshi

Happy Hogswatchnight, Xak

 

Amokitty

Heh, I just got home 90 minutes ago. I've been out all day. My head's still a whirl....

 

xakko

GAH! it's Hogswatch? I forgot to get the sherry!

 

Amokitty

Pratchett?

 

Kirayoshi

But of course!

 

Amokitty

*chuckles*

 

xakko

Hogfather's one of my favorites

 

Kirayoshi

The TV movie that premiered a couple of years ago was surprisingly decent.

 

xakko

last year I gave Ian a collection including Hogswatch, Small Gods and... Pyramids, I think

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xakko

heya turtle!

 

Kirayoshi

I'm currently reading The Truth.

 

theoddlittleturtle

hi!!

 

Amokitty

Evening, dear Turtle! :)

 

xakko

Hogfather, not Hogswatch, but same diff

 

Kirayoshi

Happy Hogswatch, Turtle!

 

xakko

first time through, K?

 

theoddlittleturtle

how's everyone?

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Amokitty

I'm COLD, that's how I'm doing!

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xakko

wrong button

 

Amokitty

Aw, he couldn't stay away!!!!! ;)

 

Kirayoshi

Right...

 

theoddlittleturtle

its cold there, Amo?

 

Kirayoshi

I wish they'd release that TV production of Colour of Magic.

 

Kirayoshi

I think Sean Astin played Twoflower and Jeremy Irons was Vetinari.

 

xakko

ditto, K

 

Amokitty

Freezing. The state's under a blizzard warning tonight with possible hurricane force winds. So if my power goes out - carry on without me!!

 

Kirayoshi

Here's hoping for the best.

 

Kirayoshi

At the other end of Washington, it's calm but COLD!

 

Amokitty

Thanks K. We're a little worried actually. *sigh*

 

theoddlittleturtle

oh, ick! i hope that doesn't happen - no power and cold does not sound fun

 

Amokitty

I can't imagine anything less fun than that. Kinda nervous.

 

xakko

yeah, I really hope things aren't as bad as they say... no power in a storm... gah

 

Amokitty

It's currently 22 degrees outside now, so no power in a storm means frostbite pretty much. :/

 

Kirayoshi

I remember that about ten years ago in Spokane.

 

xakko

do you have a fireplace?

 

Amokitty

Yes, but no wood. Heh. Ugh.

 

xakko

gah

 

Amokitty

We do have plenty of flashlights and batteries though.

 

Kirayoshi

A falling branch broke the main powerline to my home, which put us on the tail end of the city priority list, after whole blocks were without power.

 

theoddlittleturtle

not to sound sarcastic, but what about chairs?

 

xakko

generator?

 

theoddlittleturtle

chairs=wood=warmth

 

Amokitty

Turtle: LOL. It could happen!

 

Kirayoshi

Didn't I see that on M*A*S*H?

 

theoddlittleturtle

heh, David Eddings?

 

Amokitty

No generator either. Where I live we usually don't have to worry about these things. We're protected from most snow by two different mountain ranges in this state, and we're at sea level. This is definitely out of the ordinary.

 

xakko

* fingers crossed

 

theoddlittleturtle

prayers too

 

Amokitty

So please keep my mind off this by telling me fun and interesting things. I know you guys can do it because you do it every time we visit! :)

 

Amokitty

Thanks guys. :) :)

 

xakko

er, should we vent about Uncanny first?

 

Amokitty

Grrrrrrr. Stupid Uncanny!

 

xakko

before Jeremy gets here and we get down to the nuts and bolts of the RR?

 

theoddlittleturtle

2nd-ed

 

xakko

so, do we give Fraction any sort of benefit of the doubt that he's having Piotr try to infiltrate this mobster's protection racket?

 

Kirayoshi

I haven'

 

Amokitty

It makes me sad every time I read a new issue. Talk about masochistic. I shouldn't buy it, but I HAVE to know what's going on.

 

xakko

which is still completely out of character, but at least doesn't make him WANT to be a mob enforcer

 

Kirayoshi

I haven't read it, but I'm going with the theory that Piotr is planning on taking down that tattooed thug from the inside.

 

theoddlittleturtle

that makes the most sense, but here's wishing for thought bubbles

 

Amokitty

I don't give credit because one of the reasons he's getting involved with the mob is because Peter now believes he'll feel better hitting something. That is NOT the Colossus that we all know and love. That's just sick.

 

xakko

it still doesn't make any sense. Piotr isn't a spy, and apparently tattoo dude can read everything about you if he touches you, which makes being undercover ridiculously stupid

 

Kirayoshi

Piotr doesn't handle grief well.

 

Amokitty

Absolutely!

 

Kirayoshi

When Illyana died, he went nuts and joined Magneto.

 

xakko

he was brain damaged at the time

 

theoddlittleturtle

well, i guess we could say at least he hasn't offed himself yet

 

Amokitty

LOL.

 

xakko

it

 

theoddlittleturtle

didnt' they bring back the legacy virus?

 

xakko

er, it's just a horrible, horrible retcon

 

xakko

apparently Cyke had Beast adapt it to kill Skrulls

 

xakko

over in Secret Invasion X-men

 

Amokitty

It's just an insanely stupid way to handle your grief. Did anyone see Scott take his advice when Jean died? It's ridiculous.

 

Kirayoshi

So when does Scott give up and start wearing the Magneto Was Right t-shirt?

 

theoddlittleturtle

which was a horrible retcon because piotr was supposed to have killed it when he did

 

theoddlittleturtle

*died

 

theoddlittleturtle

x-force=magneto was right

 

Amokitty

What???? The Legacy Virus is back? Oh no....

 

theoddlittleturtle

just Skull legacy now

 

theoddlittleturtle

hopefully

 

Kirayoshi

Over in X-Force.

 

Amokitty

So Peter died for nothing....

 

theoddlittleturtle

skrull

 

theoddlittleturtle

yeah basically

 

xakko

well, a sample may have been protected from the antivirus he released when he died

 

xakko

but it doesn't mean mutant legacy is around, and that's something I doubt Marvel's going to mess with again

 

theoddlittleturtle

how he died doesn't make any sense anyway...

 

Amokitty

The Legacy virus was such a stupid storyline, you'd think no one in their right mind would want to touch it again.

 

xakko

I could see dying to release it, but it curing everyone "overnight" was BS

 

theoddlittleturtle

the mutants covered themselves with it to get on board a cruiser so no legacy virus per say

 

theoddlittleturtle

i still can't see dying to release it

 

Amokitty

Makes me glad I didn't buy Secret Invasion.

 

xakko

a dying mutant released the actual disease, so it makes a little sense

 

theoddlittleturtle

I didn't - i thumbed through at the comic store

 

xakko

I got two issues, missed the last. it was awful

 

theoddlittleturtle

I saved money :)

 

Kirayoshi

Plus it continues the status quo at Marvel that even when the good guys win, they lose!

 

theoddlittleturtle

*cries* and that's why we continue to read because we want to be there when they actually win

 

xakko

did you check out the Christmas special?

 

Amokitty

I didn't save money this weekend. I bought an impuse item at ToysR Us last night, while shopping for other peoplesí kids! Heh, heh

 

xakko

it was... kinda sweet. but it pissed me off at the same time

 

theoddlittleturtle

yup - weird

 

Amokitty

Me too.

 

theoddlittleturtle

impulse shopping is fun, well, it used to be... heh

 

Amokitty

All this sadness over Kitty. It seems so damn late in coming.

 

xakko

I mean, it's ALMOST like Marvel's apologizing for having to hold off on the "grief" reactions to Kitty by hitting us with one nearly every week

 

xakko

which is sort of a jinx, Amo

 

Amokitty

The impulse buy was a Super Hero Squad Kitty and Lockheed. So cute!!!!

 

theoddlittleturtle

awww

 

xakko

you found one?!?!?!

 

xakko

we've been looking ALL OVER

 

xakko

SHS Colossus is on my mac mini and is lonely

 

Kirayoshi

Anybody want to bet that it'll be revealed that Emma had mind-numbed everyone so they wouldn't even remember Kitty until after Messiah Complex?

 

Amokitty

Xak: Do I owe you ANOTHER Coke??? You're lucky I have one with me right now. ;)

 

xakko

* drinking a 24 oz Cherry Zero right now, so is good

 

xakko

and it was a sentiment jinx, not a real jinx

 

theoddlittleturtle

sounds plausible, K

 

theoddlittleturtle

which sucks

 

xakko

well, it's their own fault for the delays

 

Amokitty

I did!!! I found her! I got the Colossus toy 3 weeks ago and now he's no longer lonely. Sorry about YOUR Colossus though! ;) :D

 

xakko

I think MR and fatal blue might be right about them setting Kitty up for a quick return

 

Kirayoshi

One can hope.

 

theoddlittleturtle

i just hope she doesn't come back and there be something wrong with her

 

Kirayoshi

My theory is they wanted to wait a year after Joss left AXM.

 

theoddlittleturtle

what's he doing now anyway?

 

theoddlittleturtle

is he still at marvel?

 

Kirayoshi

Dollhouse.

 

xakko

I just hope she doesn't come back and they've managed to completely ruin Piotr

 

Kirayoshi

New show for Fox about an artifically enhanced secret agent(Eliza Dushku) who starts to break out of her mind control programming.

 

xakko

which they've come close to already

 

theoddlittleturtle

Alias?

 

theoddlittleturtle

heheh

 

Kirayoshi

Kinda, but with a Pretender vibe.

 

Kirayoshi

Plus, Eliza Dushku!

 

Kirayoshi

I'm a hetero male, what do you want from me?

 

Amokitty

Faith returns to tv, that's nice.

 

theoddlittleturtle

i'm not familiar with her

 

theoddlittleturtle

lol

 

Kirayoshi

Faith from BtVS/

 

Kirayoshi

Plus she starred opposite Kirsten Dunst in Bring It On.

 

xakko

so, everyone's holiday shopping done?

 

theoddlittleturtle

lol, never got into buffy, hate vampires

 

Amokitty

No, but I got a LOT done today. I'm ALMOST done.

 

theoddlittleturtle

i've got to get a goodie for my dad, but i'm done after that

 

xakko

didn't run out to see Twilight, huh turtle?

 

Amokitty

LOL.

 

theoddlittleturtle

nope :)

 

theoddlittleturtle

saving up for wolverine movie

 

theoddlittleturtle

xplosives! yay!

 

Amokitty

Even if I hated vamps, I would still go to see Robert Pattinson. *fans self*

 

xakko

er... ugh

 

Kirayoshi

Any resemblence between Twilight and real vampire fiction is purely coincidental.

 

theoddlittleturtle

lol

 

Kirayoshi

Vamps combust in sunlight, they don't sparkle like Christmas Tree ornaments!

 

Amokitty

It's fun, K! Even if Twilight's heroine is a complete idiot.

 

xakko

I thought the premise of Twilight reminded me a bit of the Black Ribbon Society in Discworld

 

theoddlittleturtle

idiot as in Sailor Moon or idiot as in dumb as dirt?

 

Amokitty

Have you or Deb seen the movie yet, Xak?

 

Kirayoshi

Just don't let them take pictures!

 

Amokitty

Both, Turtle. A resounding BOTH.

 

theoddlittleturtle

LOL

 

xakko

not going myself, Deb's supposed to go with a friend

 

Kirayoshi

Any Peter David fans here?

 

xakko

I'm getting a pass, 'cause of a head injury

 

theoddlittleturtle

*raises hand

 

xakko

I like some PAD

 

Kirayoshi

Didja hear he'll be taking over Wolverine: First Class?

 

xakko

yup, I posted that in Kiotr

 

Amokitty

I, um, *cough* have the movie on my computer so I can look at Pattinson any time I want. *blushes*

 

theoddlittleturtle

LOL way to go Amo!

 

Amokitty

laughing out loud.

 

Amokitty

I like PAD in most things. I am cautiously optimistic about him writing First Class.

 

theoddlittleturtle

has anyone seen the latest preview of first class?

 

theoddlittleturtle

it looks cute

 

Amokitty

What the preview about, Turtle??

 

theoddlittleturtle

Wolverine sticks Kitty in the woods to go fend for herself for the night and then he runs off

 

Amokitty

Some kind of Outward Bound trip? Huh.

 

theoddlittleturtle

the dialogue between the two was very funny (i thought, keep in mind I'm easily amused)

 

theoddlittleturtle

there was a scene reminescent of UXM 168/169 (??) where she says Professor Xavier is a jerk

 

theoddlittleturtle

instead she says 'this perfume is personally endorsed by Dazzler herself

 

Kirayoshi

When did they make Kitty a rabid Dazzler fan?

 

Amokitty

I like that! Van Lente is good with the humor. Not sure if that's PAD strong suit however.

 

Kirayoshi

What happened to Cat's Laughing?

 

theoddlittleturtle

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6464

 

theoddlittleturtle

she still only 13 and a half

 

Kirayoshi

He's done humor before, in Hulk and X-Factor.

 

theoddlittleturtle

did Cat's Laughing exist back then?

 

Amokitty

I thought Kitty's always been a fan. She seemed like she was in Dazzler #2, and Uncanny #148 - which would definitely fit the time period.

 

Kirayoshi

She was a fan during early Excalibur.

 

xakko

hard to say

 

Kirayoshi

And keep in mind that this was a real band.

 

theoddlittleturtle

Rick's marriage to Margo (is that her name?) was really funny and PAD did it

 

xakko

Cats Laughing first album is (c) 1988

 

Amokitty

Sidekick Rick. Aw..... whatever happened to him?

 

xakko

but... with the sliding Marvel time line

 

xakko

Rick Jones?

 

Amokitty

Yep.

 

theoddlittleturtle

yeah, i have that iss

 

xakko

he was funding ... someone, darnit

 

theoddlittleturtle

the only Hulk i own

 

Kirayoshi

He also did a screamingly funny Spider-Man story where Spider-Man chased a perp through the subway system into a suburb.

 

theoddlittleturtle

and Imzadi! :)

 

Amokitty

I loved that book!!!!

 

xakko

Excelsior - that's it, in Runaways

 

Kirayoshi

The problem being that there weren't any buildings high enough for him to webswing, so he ended up just running after the guy, and feeling rather self-conscious.

 

theoddlittleturtle

so I'm not the only trekkie?

 

xakko

and apparently he was recently Gamma irradiated

 

xakko

I liked Star Trek, but not enough to read the novels (except for the X-men Xover

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Amokitty

Not even CLOSE, Turtle. I've loved Star Trek since I was a kid. I've gone to Trek cons, and met the actors.

 

Kirayoshi

He also wrote the novelizations of the last two Spider-Man movies.

 

theoddlittleturtle

heh, the only thing i haven't done is cons

 

J_Harper

Hello.

 

Amokitty

Hey there, Jeremy! How are you? :)

 

Kirayoshi

Happy Hogswatch, Jeremy!

 

theoddlittleturtle

hi there!

 

J_Harper

I'm sorry I'm late. I haven

 

J_Harper

I haven't had the best of days.

 

Amokitty

You're not late at all. We're just jabbering. :)

 

J_Harper

We got hammmered by snow, and I through a tire. Hopefully no rim or axle damage.

 

theoddlittleturtle

sorry to hear that, we'll cheer you up!

 

Kirayoshi

Same here, mon frere.

 

Amokitty

I was hoping to see Rose and 376.... Hmmm. Maybe one or both will show later.

 

J_Harper

Plus triple a couldn't get a tow out in a reasonable amount of time, so I had to leave my car at the local corner store and try again tomorrow.

 

Amokitty

It seems like everybody I know is dealing with snow problems. Sorry you have to too, Jeremy.

 

theoddlittleturtle

oh, yuck!

 

xakko

gak, Jeremy, glad you could make it and sorry the days been so crappy

 

J_Harper

It got better. Went up to Cambridge to a local sf/fantasy book store, got a gift for a co-worker and splurged on myself.

 

Amokitty

What didja get for yourself?

 

J_Harper

But because of the snow and the car problems we got a late start, so that's why I'm late.

 

Kirayoshi

I'm debating whether or not to see that new Spirit movie.

 

J_Harper

I got two Leigh Brackett novels, a Michael Moorcock novel, a novel by a writer named Otis Adelbert Klein, who's chief claim to fame in this day and age was being Robert E. Howard's agent, a book of stories about Elric of Melnibone, written by authors other than Moorcock, and The Tough Guide to FantasyLand..

 

Amokitty

I've already heard reviews that say that the Spirit movie is terrible. I really hope they're wrong.

 

xakko

yeah. *sigh*

 

Kirayoshi

I'm dubious, but I have a stash of free movie passes so it's no loss there.

 

J_Harper

I got my co-worker Girl Genius Omnibus 1. She's not into comics, but I think I've gauged her personality right and I think she'll really like it.

 

Amokitty

So you can curl up with a few good books while the weather outside is frightful? Smart man!

 

xakko

deb likes that, jeremy, a lot

 

Kirayoshi

I'm definitely going to see Coraline when it comes out next Spring.

 

J_Harper

I'm pretty much overwhelmed by books.

 

xakko

oh yes. definitely!

 

Amokitty

Has everyone heard the same awful reviews that I have with this movie?

 

J_Harper

I have more books than I do clothes.

 

Amokitty

LOL.

 

J_Harper

I'm not kidding.

 

Kirayoshi

The trailer looks more like Sin City than Eisner.

 

J_Harper

:)

 

J_Harper

People on RPG.Net are howling about it all ready. Miller in his modern form is held in low esteem. They think him a mysoginistic git.

 

Amokitty

You know I really do believe you Jeremy. Books can be an obsession. :)

 

J_Harper

And I think he may be directing Buck Rogers next.

 

Amokitty

The movie should NOT reflect Miller's personal taste at all, but this is what I'm hearing. That it bears no resemblance to Eisner at all, which is sad.

 

Kirayoshi

Why?

 

Kirayoshi

They should have given Spirit to Brad Bird!

 

xakko

I would've even accepted resembling Darwyn Cooke?

 

Amokitty

You mean make the movie animated, K? Like he did with the Incredibles?

 

Kirayoshi

That could work.

 

Kirayoshi

Bird is himself a huge Spirit fan.

 

Amokitty

Ah.

 

Kirayoshi

He referred to The Spirit in The Iron Giant, when Hogarth was showing the giant robot his comic book collection; he showed a copy of The Spirit, saying, "Very cool."

 

Kirayoshi

He also had Bob Parr dress kinda like the Spirit in one scene in The Incredibles; blue jacket and tie, with the mask.

 

Amokitty

I haven't seen the Iron Giant in years. Now I'm all nostalgic.

 

Kirayoshi

Superman....

 

J_Harper

Anyhow, has anyone discussed the round robin yet?

 

Kirayoshi

I understand that Pixar is planning on doing a CGI/live action hybrid adaptation of "A Princess of Mars"

 

Amokitty

No, we were waiting for you. :)

 

J_Harper

:)

 

J_Harper

It is good to be held in importance. ;)

 

Amokitty

Ha ha. You KNOW you are, silly.

 

xakko

so... what do you do with a Ruined Man?

 

xakko

early in the morning

 

J_Harper

Heh.

 

Kirayoshi

Early in the morning! ::laugh

 

xakko

jinx

 

Amokitty

Not going there. ;)

 

xakko

given his age... is Cassius human?

 

Amokitty

How did he get the spear???

 

J_Harper

Cassius looks human the same way Kree look human.

 

Kirayoshi

Ebay.

 

Amokitty

*dies*

 

J_Harper

Heh.

 

Amokitty

If you could see me laughing now.... *facepalm*

 

xakko

this... is going to be a goofy discussion, isn't it?

 

J_Harper

Ever read Empowered? Emp's boyfriend was part of a group called the Witless Minions, who'd hire on as thugs for Supervillains, all the while swiping their gear and selling it on eBay.

 

Amokitty

Could be! Let 'er rip!

 

theoddlittleturtle

lol

 

Amokitty

Now THAT'S devious!

 

xakko

I've been considering that one - is it any good?

 

Kirayoshi

So, what kind of power levels are we talking with this Spear of Destiny?

 

J_Harper

It's kinky.

 

Amokitty

Oh REALLY? Do tell more!! Heh, heh.

 

xakko

hrmmm

 

Kirayoshi

Didn't Adam Warren do a run on Gen13?

 

Amokitty

Yes, his Fairchild cheesecake covers are still the stuff of legend. ;)

 

Kirayoshi

I remember he did some work on Marvel Mangaverse also.

 

Kirayoshi

I loved Peter David's manga Punisher.

 

J_Harper

It's a powerful weapon, maybe somewhere below Mjolnir in the schemes of the MU. It's indestructable and Cassius can use it as a focus for his powers and abilities. If wrested away from him, it can be used to unravel anything he has created.

 

Amokitty

So this is not the TRUE Spear of Longinus that cut Christ.

 

Kirayoshi

Presumably not related to the Spear of Destiny mentioned in DC every so often.

 

Kirayoshi

Supposedly used by Hitler to keep the superheroes of the JSA at bay.

 

Amokitty

I heard Hitler wanted the Spear quite badly in real life.

 

J_Harper

As I said on Kiotr, Cassius isn't really the centurion that stabbed Jesus on the Cross, nor is his spear our historical Longinus. Sometime millions of years ago, Cassius destroyed something or someone so important to the universe, his crime has echoed through reality and time, and many, many worlds have legends cast in the mold of their cultures reflecting the deed.

 

Kirayoshi

When he wasn't after the Ark, Indy!

 

Kirayoshi

Sounds like old GL villain Krona.

 

J_Harper

And, as I said, I know it sounds like I've gone off into Grant Morrison territory here.

 

xakko

that's a cool concept. have you his crime in mind, Jeremy?

 

xakko

one might think it could be Phoenix related.

 

Amokitty

Or Galactus related even

 

Kirayoshi

He murdered the first Phoenix, or caused that Phoenix to go Dark?

 

J_Harper

You know, I was about to say I wanted to keep it vague and veiled, but your comment, Xakko, gave me an idea.

 

J_Harper

Exactly, K.

 

J_Harper

That was what I was thinking.

 

Kirayoshi

Great minds think alike.

 

xakko

could we combine the two?

 

J_Harper

Heh.

 

Amokitty

:D

 

J_Harper

Yeah, we could.

 

xakko

perhaps whatever the Phoenix was in the previous incarnation of the universe?

 

xakko

the one that Galactus survived?

 

J_Harper

I don't know if I want Cassius to be that old. I'd rather tie him close to the foundations of this universe, if we tie him into the Phoenix, instead of having him a remnant of the last universe.

 

xakko

ok

 

Kirayoshi

Something tells me that Peter may need to swallow his anger and ask Scott's team for some help on this one.

 

xakko

just tossing things out there

 

J_Harper

No, that's fine.

 

theoddlittleturtle

and why would cassius be on earth of all places?

 

xakko

are we going to try to redeem Scott in this?

 

Kirayoshi

Someone has to!

 

Amokitty

I think we should. We've suffered Scott as a jerk long enough.

 

J_Harper

As you said, K, he's an Apocalypse level villain. Maybe not in sheer power, but definitely in resources and intelligence.

 

J_Harper

Hopefully we can make him more competent than I've heard Apocalypse has been portrayed.

 

J_Harper

Well, maybe not intelligence, but definitely in experience.

 

Amokitty

How do you stop someone whose intelligence and abilities are eons in the making? It would seem sort of limitless.

 

theoddlittleturtle

smart villains are always harder to defeat

 

theoddlittleturtle

jinx, amo, sort of

 

Amokitty

Yeah. LOL.

 

Kirayoshi

Is the spear the source of his power, or does he have native powers of his own?

 

J_Harper

Well, I don't know how smart he is. I think I said that he's not as smart as he likes to think he is, and if he gets surprised, he can't adjust fast enough to compensate.

 

Kirayoshi

So not quite Reed Richards.

 

J_Harper

He has ingrained power. He can't be killed, though he can be hurt or inconvenienced for a while, but he'll regenerate.

 

J_Harper

He's supernaturally strong and agile. Spider-Man level strength, Gambit level agility.

 

J_Harper

He's been around so long he's learned a little bit about everything. He's not a true sorcerer, but he knows some magic.

 

J_Harper

Things like that.

 

theoddlittleturtle

so it's definitely a battle of wits

 

Amokitty

So, he's not too terribly adaptable, but having experienced so much shouldn't he be prepared for whatever anyone throws at him? How many people have taken him on and not lived? Thousands? More?

 

Kirayoshi

And I would assume he's proficient in a slew of martial art styles.

 

J_Harper

Maybe. As I said, he's not incredibly bright. Not stupid, but not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

 

theoddlittleturtle

so he would have minions do his dirty work

 

Amokitty

Is he immune to telepathy?

 

J_Harper

Yes, he knows much about combat. I really don't think he's invincible, and much that he knows he can't recall quickly. His thoughts are encumbered by the vast weight of years he carries.

 

J_Harper

I see him having a strong mind. It is also chaotic, and probably not very pleasant to contact.

 

Kirayoshi

So, Joker without the sense of humor?

 

J_Harper

I don't think you could shut him down with tp, but you could get impressions off of him, maybe influence him. It's tough though. It's cheesy to make every big bad immune to mind effects, but tp is almost an instant win in the MU.

 

J_Harper

That's a good way to describe it.

 

J_Harper

Thinking the concept of Casca the Eternal Mercenary mixed with Elric of Melnibone at his most unsympathetic.

 

theoddlittleturtle

i'm not familiar with either of those :(

 

Amokitty

Me neither.

 

xakko

so his motivation is to get Rachel to go Dark and nuke the Universe.

 

J_Harper

That's okay. That's why we're here to thrash this out. :

 

J_Harper

:)

 

Amokitty

Brainstorming is GOOD.

 

xakko

to end his existence.

 

J_Harper

Yes. He wants to die. Millions of millons of years of life, for a creature who was not born or bred for immortality. Imagine what that must be like.

 

xakko

Wowbanger the Infinitely Prolonged?

 

J_Harper

Heh. Is that from Hitchhikers?

 

xakko

Wowbagger, sorry

 

xakko

yes

 

J_Harper

Heh. I guess, though far more sinister, I hope.

 

Kirayoshi

He set out to insult the universe!

 

xakko

the guy who decided to insult the Universe. Individually.

 

J_Harper

Yes.

 

xakko

Alphabetically

 

Kirayoshi

Jinx!

 

Amokitty

:D

 

J_Harper

I remember him. Never read Hitchhikers, but I read of him.

 

xakko

no interest in Hitchhiker's?

 

Kirayoshi

From Life The Universe And Everything.

 

J_Harper

Not much. I don't care much for comedy, for some reason.

 

xakko

'sok

 

xakko

back to Cassius

 

J_Harper

Yes.

 

Amokitty

Would Jahf know of Cassius?

 

Kirayoshi

Are we bringing in the M'Kraan crystal in all this?

 

J_Harper

Don't know that character. If the others think it is possible, than yes.

 

Amokitty

That's what I'm wondering, K.

 

xakko

I dunno. I haven't gotten the nerve to open up Emperor Vulcan

 

Amokitty

Jahf is the guardian of the M'Kraan crystal

 

xakko

I thought they did something with the M'Kraan in that

 

J_Harper

I like that better than my idea. My idea was that Cassius had laid a trapspell on the Breakworld bullet, which would either corrupt Rachel or kill Kitty when Rachel touched it, and then amplify Rachel's grief and guilt and turn her to the Dark.

 

xakko

I was thinking of Rachel going partly dark when Korvus gets kiled

 

J_Harper

I need to read up on the M'Kraan arc. Is that in Essential 1?

 

xakko

and absorbing his stupid Final Fantasy Phoenix Sword

 

Kirayoshi

Korvus? The Cloud Strife lookalike?

 

Kirayoshi

Jinx!

 

J_Harper

I'm out to sea on this. I haven't been keeping up on current X continuity, so a lot of that will be in your hands. :(

 

Amokitty

Sorry I don't have the essential volumes. But I know that the crustal appeared in Uncanny #107-#108, and Uncanny #203.

 

J_Harper

Okay, that should be covered in 1, which I have.

 

Kirayoshi

Yeah, he was in the first Shi'ar arc.

 

Amokitty

The sword versus the spear! Let's get it on!!

 

J_Harper

Heh.

 

Kirayoshi

Sword?

 

theoddlittleturtle

that would be interesting though...

 

xakko

nonono, let's DESTROY the sword, have Rachel pull the Phoenix force out of it

 

xakko

I want that thing GONE

 

theoddlittleturtle

what if they destroy each other?

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xakko

(and the rest of Brubaker continuity - Rachel could kill Vulcan!)

 

Amokitty

Sword of Phoenix. Korvus' stupid Phoenix blade.

 

Amokitty

Hi 376! Glad you made it!!

 

J_Harper

Hello.

 

xakko

hiya 376!

 

theoddlittleturtle

hi!

 

Author376

OOoh!! Sorry I'm late, my brother got me a book as a present and six hours just plain vanished!

 

Kirayoshi

Ahoy!

 

Author376

Hello everyone!

 

xakko

I'm just thinking we need to start pushing Rachel to the dark separate. I almost wrote that in my last section, Korvus dying and all

 

xakko

what book, 376?

 

Amokitty

We're knee deep in brainstorming, 376. For the RR, how do we make Rachel destroy All That Is? ;)

 

theoddlittleturtle

besides dangling Scott and Emma in front of her

 

Author376

Colleen McCullough's Anthony and Cleopatra. Part of her historical Roman series.

 

Amokitty

Korvus, who??? ;)

 

Author376

Hmmm... How to make Rachael into the ultimate destroyer of all things?

 

Amokitty

Oooooh. I've read some of her Roman books. But they're VERY lengthy.

 

theoddlittleturtle

that sounds awesome, 376

 

Author376

I love a good long book :) Give me a minute to get my dinner over by the computer (forgot to eat today because of book) and I'll join the brainstorming!

 

J_Harper

Kewl.

 

Amokitty

We'll see you very soon! :)

 

J_Harper

Anyhow, I'm not going to be of much help fitting Cassius into current continuity.

 

J_Harper

Though I don't know if that matters, since we all know how much the current PTB at Marvel feel about continuity. ;)

 

theoddlittleturtle

heh, that's why i do AUs...

 

xakko

that's OK, Jeremy, we're going to start unravelling the bits we DO know of, to get back to something good

 

Amokitty

Considering how I think NO ONE will miss 616 continuity, it should be easy to do whatever anyone wants.

 

Author376

Cassius loates his eternal life, right? Maybe he hears of Phoenix through our heroes attmepting/managing to steal his magical artifact and decides that the only way to end his own life is to end All Life? He sets about to somehow make Rachael destroy the universe so that he can rest?

 

J_Harper

Afraid I set it up so that he's the architech behind trying to fulfill the Prophecy of the Chyldren of Light and Dark.

 

xakko

that's what I was thinking of

 

Author376

Oh, okay... Well, must thinkg again then. :)

 

xakko

he would have access to the prophecy

 

J_Harper

He's already aware of the Phoenix, especially if we tie him into corrupting the first Phoenix.

 

xakko

he probably spent multiple eons looking for such a book

 

theoddlittleturtle

does he have anything to do with the Elder Gods or is that retconned in this story?

 

Amokitty

Good question, turtle.

 

J_Harper

don't know. All I know he offended some great powers when he committed his crime, millions of years back.

 

Amokitty

Was this first Phoenix a woman? Or was it Jean or Rachel in a previous incarnation??

 

Kirayoshi

If we set it up so Dark Rachel plans to use the M'Kraan crystal to destroy the universe, maybe she'll take care of that Vulcan problem.

 

Kirayoshi

t'

 

xakko

wanna wanna wanna kill Vulcan FIRST

 

Author376

Maybe the Phoenix entity itself wants to start over? The corruption is eating away at it and in order to be truly born again without that corruption it needs to destroy everything so that it can be born anew without the prior taint of it's falling into evil?

 

Amokitty

Hear, hear, Xak.

 

theoddlittleturtle

is this going to be more than 20 turns now? heh

 

Kirayoshi

There was a male Phoenix in Jim Valentino's run on Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

J_Harper

I guess it would be a woman. It seems to be a feminine power.

 

J_Harper

Oh.

 

J_Harper

Didn't know that.

 

xakko

In Davis's run, Feron was supposed to be the first avatar

 

Amokitty

Korvus was also meant to be Phoenix. Ugh.

 

Kirayoshi

That run also gave us Doctor Doom's brain transplanted into a robot exosuit made from Wolverine's skeleton.

 

xakko

wanna wanna wanna kill Korvus

 

Amokitty

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

theoddlittleturtle

multiple phoenixes?

 

xakko

Morrison had the Phoenix Corps, didn't he?

 

theoddlittleturtle

aww, but Korvus is Vegeta... lol

 

J_Harper

Oh dear...

 

Amokitty

Exactly.

 

Amokitty

Do you guys want to have Korvus or vulcan involved in this? They don't HAVE to be. You can always pretend they don't exist.

 

Kirayoshi

If and when I get around to continuing But Not Forgotten, I plan to have Kitty meet Korvus and say, "Dragonball called, they want their look back."

 

theoddlittleturtle

ROFL

 

xakko

but I wanna wanna KILL THEM

 

Author376

OMG ROFLMAO!!!

 

theoddlittleturtle

i look forward to that one K

 

Amokitty

Oh man.... that was BRILLIANT.

 

xakko

i can do it, really quick, serves our purposes in more ways than one

 

Amokitty

LOL. So damn HARD!

 

Author376

We could kill them ignobably and have something land on them. Like the lesser of the wicked witches...

 

J_Harper

I dunno. cheap deaths seem petty.

 

xakko

open with Korvus's death at the hands of Vulcan - dying breath tells Rachel to take the Phoenix force from the sword

 

xakko

fully charged, Rachel wreaks vengeance on her uncle.

 

Author376

Ooh, I like that one!

 

theoddlittleturtle

Rachel can pull a D'bari... maybe...

 

xakko

but the act of murder - maybe have him surrender? - starts pushing her to Dark

 

Amokitty

But they're not exactly valuable characters, are they? Cannon fodder for Cassius would be a good thing.

 

J_Harper

True.

 

Author376

That's actually a great suggestion. Having Cassius kill them would be an excellent way to establish his power. Maybe also have him do something with/to their souls and emphaize his evil as well?

 

xakko

I hate character deaths, but these are two of the worst ones I've ever read

 

J_Harper

Trick is to tie Cassius intimately with Rachel's corruption.

 

theoddlittleturtle

can Cassius possess people?

 

theoddlittleturtle

Cassius=Vulcan

 

xakko

could he act as Vulcan's advisor?

 

J_Harper

Not that I'm aware of. He could possibly know of a method to do so.

 

J_Harper

Yes, that could work. He could very well know a way to disguise his hideous form and nature, and he could muster enough concentration to keep him self focused around Vulcan.

 

Author376

You could establish Cassius as not originally being "human". You said he was millions of years old, thusly he predates the human species. Maybe he was the orignal "snake" in the garden of Eden? Establish a history of having great powers of corruption and appearing in an almost irresistible manner and form to lure people to do evil?

 

J_Harper

Or he could be using someone as a proxy, talking through an advisor by some hypothetical method of possession.

 

J_Harper

That may be too, too subtle for him.

 

xakko

I think the idea that he "killed" the first Phoenix, or somehow wounded it, to introduce the Dark...

 

J_Harper

I think he can be subtle when he needs to be, because he has learned its value, but it is not second nature to him.

 

xakko

that works for me

 

xakko

it would mirror the act of bible Cassius piercing the side of Jesus with the spear

 

J_Harper

I see him in his youth as a very arrogant prince. Like Namor without the nobility.

 

J_Harper

That definitely would send echoes throughout the universe, Xak.

 

Amokitty

Could the spear KILL Phoenix?

 

Author376

That's an excellent characterization for a villain, and it would make him attacking the phoenix very realistic. Why did he attack it?

 

J_Harper

I don't know. I don't know if it is important to the story we're trying to tell. all I know right now is he did it because perhaps he felt like it was his right to do so, and he wanted to.

 

J_Harper

Perhaps if the first Phoenix was a woman, she rejected him.

 

Author376

Very good point, we could take the "details lost to time" route.

 

J_Harper

And he swore a terrible vengence and did so.

 

Author376

Or make it an attempt to "control" her, since women were expected to do as commanded in most cultures predating the very modern era.

 

J_Harper

You know, I always had the idea if the Phoenix was the symbol of life, then the Dragon was the engine of destruction. Perhaps the blade of the spear is a fang from THE Dragon.

 

xakko

oooh

 

Author376

VERY nice! Or perhaps the trapped soul of the Dragon?

 

Kirayoshi

I am so tempted to make a Lockheed joke.

 

J_Harper

But I don't know if we want to pour more original stuff into this, since we already have enough trouble with Cassius, and I don't know if it would matter to this story.

 

theoddlittleturtle

lol, k

 

Author376

:)

 

Kirayoshi

Phoenix and Dragon were also powerful symbols of Chinese mythos, IIRC. That fits actually.

 

xakko

i had the worst time coming up with an anti-Phoenix for a challenge last year

 

J_Harper

Dragons are a lot like unicorns - marginialized and made safe by modern culture, but their primal forms very dangerous.

 

J_Harper

I think the Dragon represents destruction in many cultures. I think it makes thematic sense as the opposite of the Phoenix. But again, I don't know if this is something we want to open up in this story.

 

J_Harper

But I'll bow to the majority's wishes.

 

J_Harper

I started the rr, but I don't want to dictate its course. I feel bad enough about throwing things out of whack with introducing Cassius.

 

xakko

I like it... I don't know if we want to go with a "Dragon Force", but I like it

 

Kirayoshi

How does Kitty fit into this prophecy?

 

Kirayoshi

According to Illyana, she was necessary to prevent the Phoenix from going dark.

 

theoddlittleturtle

well, if the spear is the dragon, then the phoenix sword would be the oposite right?

 

J_Harper

Don't we have Kitty as the catalyst of Rachel's fall? If Rachel can't save her, she becomes corrupt?

 

J_Harper

Yeah.

 

theoddlittleturtle

so Cassius was instrumental in breakworld

 

theoddlittleturtle

and that profecy

 

Kirayoshi

Maybe he carved that giant fresco of Colossus.

 

J_Harper

He could have done that, yet.

 

theoddlittleturtle

and used Aganne

 

J_Harper

Yes. Like I said, he isn't subtle by nature, but he knows when to be.

 

J_Harper

That's all within the realm of his ability.

 

Author376

I like that! And him preying upon Aganne, especially if he was reinforcing her view of how there was no hope, would work very well.

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J_Harper

He would be very good at that, because he has very little hope himself.

 

Author376

Hi!

 

Kirayoshi

Brand and Beast figured that the Augers' 'prophecy' was manufactured.

 

theoddlittleturtle

hi!

 

xakko

hi DS!

 

Kirayoshi

Maybe he was the one who created it.

 

darkstorm5000

Hi guys!

 

Amokitty

Good evening, Darkstorm!! :)

 

J_Harper

Yes, Cassius could be the agent behind that.

 

J_Harper

Hey.

 

Author376

You could angle it where he saw himself as doing her a favor, granting her the piece of non-existence for herself and her people!

 

Kirayoshi

Happy Hogswatch, Darkstorm

 

J_Harper

I don't know if he'd see it that way. He thinks the vast majority of sentients are animals.

 

J_Harper

I think he'd do it because it would advance his desires.

 

Kirayoshi

He'd be cynical about it.

 

J_Harper

He's almost unimaginably selfish.

 

Author376

He could compare it to euthanizing a broken-legged dog. Not something he'd take the time for, but while it suits him, why not take a moment to prove (out of spite) that he could be "kind", even though he's been so tortured?

 

Author376

Or not, whatever you feel like :)

 

J_Harper

Heh.

 

J_Harper

I was also thinking him somehow behind Vulcan breaking free, but I think Vulcan was released by the Scarlet Witch releasing all that possibility energy?

 

Kirayoshi

I'm watching The Doctor's Daughter on BBC America

 

xakko

so he'll have his fingers in Shi'ar politics and the Breakworld

 

J_Harper

yes. He walks worlds.

 

Author376

We could have Cassius contributing to Wanda's madness?

 

J_Harper

Yeah, there's that. Maybe he corrupted the Chaos flow she was tapping.

 

xakko

he may have had a bit in "programming" Vulcan while he was stuck in Krakatoa

 

J_Harper

he could have the knowledge, or know of someone who could do it.

 

Kirayoshi

We keep this up we'll be blaming him for Civil War,. Brand New Day and the Skrull invasion!

 

J_Harper

And original sin.

 

Amokitty

Hey, why not?

 

theoddlittleturtle

good idea!

 

Author376

Why not, it has to be someone's fault!

 

xakko

I blame society

 

Author376

(not mine) *shifty eyes*

 

Amokitty

*laughs at Xak* You sound like Deb now!

 

Author376

I blame the President of the United States!

 

Author376

Again, why not?

 

J_Harper

Well, I know he isn't behind every evil in the Marvel universe, but I think he has the resources to pull those stunts.

 

theoddlittleturtle

I blame the senate

 

xakko

or PAD, back during X-Factor (when Quicksilver's powers were messed up)

 

theoddlittleturtle

how do you mess up Quicksilver's powers?

 

J_Harper

His prescience is not precise, but he can get hunches, knows that if he does this, it has an excellent chance of eventually producing that result.

 

xakko

his powers were killing him due to a mutant senator named "Ricochet", who was working with Sinister

 

theoddlittleturtle

ah

 

xakko

is he naturally a scholar, Jeremy, or at least, when it suits him?

 

Kirayoshi

He probably spent some time in every profession imaginable, but never stuck with them.

 

xakko

if we're in the realm of prophecy, we could use that, so he'd know where to nudge things

 

Kirayoshi

Kinda like Highlander without the backbone.

 

theoddlittleturtle

would cassius have anything do to with Maddie/Inferno/etc?

 

theoddlittleturtle

Sinister too

 

Kirayoshi

Let's limit the number of old plotlines he was involved with or else we'll have a continuity nightmare.

 

theoddlittleturtle

lol

 

theoddlittleturtle

u mean like Marvel?

 

xakko

I think we may be getting a bit astray - it seems to me that Cassius would be wholly devoted to his goal of ending the universe and securing his release from his existence

 

Author376

I agree with Xakko.

 

xakko

he may have ended up with a wide variety of things he's influenced, but it would be directed at turning Rachel dark

 

xakko

and getting her to the M'Kraan, if that's how we're going with it

 

Amokitty

Then we can blame Cassius for the Beyonder, too while we're at it! ;)

 

theoddlittleturtle

okay, so how does Illyana fit into this again?

 

J_Harper

He's not naturally a scholar. He's naturally a warrior. But he's learned the value of knowledge.

 

J_Harper

I think his direct nature could be used as a tactic against him.

 

Kirayoshi

Maybe he

 

Kirayoshi

he's Sun-Tsu?

 

theoddlittleturtle

she found the prophecy right?

 

J_Harper

he's not use to acting in the ways he is right now, so, despite his experience, he could have made mistakes.

 

xakko

he almost sounds like he founded Breakworld - a world of fighting.

 

J_Harper

More like a thug or a gutterbrawler.

 

J_Harper

Possible.

 

Amokitty

I like that idea!!

 

Author376

That is a good one!

 

theoddlittleturtle

agreed

 

J_Harper

Yeah. I like that, as well.

 

J_Harper

Just read up on vulcan. Rediculously overpowered, ontop of the retcon.

 

J_Harper

Bleah.

 

theoddlittleturtle

can we kill him?

 

xakko

we lost Banshee for that character, Jeremy

 

J_Harper

Wonderful.

 

J_Harper

Fine by me.

 

theoddlittleturtle

*rejoices

 

J_Harper

Cassius could definitely find a way to do so. May be able to do so in straight combat.

 

Kirayoshi

Oh please.

 

Kirayoshi

This is one Vulcan who shouldn't live long or prosper!

 

theoddlittleturtle

win!

 

Kirayoshi

Thankew!

 

Author376

Awesome!

 

Author376

To go with your Win!

 

J_Harper

Probably could. He doesn't have raw power, but he knows so much about fighting, and the Spear is powerful enough to do so.

 

Kirayoshi

How do we defeat him in the end?

 

J_Harper

I was thinking about having him thrown into a black hole.

 

J_Harper

But I'm not certain.

 

xakko

i vote the trinity does something

 

Kirayoshi

How about we have him and Kitty swap places, and he's stuck in the bullet?

 

J_Harper

That sounds better.

 

xakko

but something that maintains his infinite life

 

J_Harper

That sounds good too.

 

xakko

death is what he craves, I'm sure not giving it to him

 

J_Harper

In fact, I like that. If we have him responsible for Kitty getting into that situation, it is only poetic justice.

 

theoddlittleturtle

then toss the bullet into a black hole?

 

Kirayoshi

If he's stuck in the bullet, he'll be immortal, but also immobile.

 

Author376

I like the bullet solution

 

J_Harper

Yes. And he'll be in torment forever, which means he won

 

J_Harper

won't ever be able to escape his just punishment.

 

J_Harper

(Until we decide to bring him back of another story) ;)

 

Author376

:)

 

theoddlittleturtle

lol

 

Amokitty

Justice at last!! I like this so much!!!!

 

J_Harper

And also, he'll never be able to cause harm again.

 

theoddlittleturtle

in which case Reed Richards will use the Negative Zone or whatever its called

 

J_Harper

he's caused a lot, over his existence.

 

J_Harper

Okay, so let's summerize.

 

J_Harper

What we have so far.

 

J_Harper

Cassius has arranged things so that the prophecy gets fulfilled, by setting up the situation on the Breakworld and getting Kitty trapped and sending her towards Rachel, right?

 

J_Harper

He is also manipulating Vulcan and the Shi'ar, to start Rachel's turn.

 

Author376

Sounds very plausable and well thought out.

 

J_Harper

But Kitty will be the catalyst of Rachel turning to darkness.

 

J_Harper

If Rachel can't save her.

 

J_Harper

Am I correct so far?

 

Kirayoshi

Sounds good.

 

theoddlittleturtle

oh, I thought he trapped Kitty to keep her FROM Rachel... oops

 

J_Harper

And we're going to end it with Cassius taking Kitty's place on the Breakworld missile.

 

Kirayoshi

Just had a thought; what will we do with Alex and Lorna and the Starjammers?

 

J_Harper

I dunno,. :(

 

Amokitty

Have we decided if the M'Kraan Crystal is his weapon of choice for Ray to destroy everything?

 

J_Harper

I don't know what their situation is. Again, something I'll leave that up to you.

 

J_Harper

The M'Kraan Crystal is a power amlifyer?

 

J_Harper

amplifyer?

 

J_Harper

However you spell it?

 

theoddlittleturtle

amplifier... i think...

 

Amokitty

Ha! I thought it triggered a reverse Big Bang.

 

theoddlittleturtle

I thought it kept Time in one place...

 

Kirayoshi

Didn't the M'Kraan crystal get cracked just before the Age of Apocalypse arc?

 

J_Harper

Grrr...

 

darkstorm5000

M'Kraan Krystal: definition- 'Item of many uses and usefulnesses...'

 

theoddlittleturtle

win!

 

theoddlittleturtle

AKA - plot device

 

J_Harper

How about this: we use my spelltrap idea and the M'Kraan crystal together?

 

Amokitty

Heh, heh, time for some research folks! No one's sure of anything! ;)

 

Author376

If there was a crack, it could have been Cassius corrupting it?

 

theoddlittleturtle

spell trap and M'Kraan work, J

 

Kirayoshi

I think the crack came from Legion's accidently killing Professor X in the past.

 

J_Harper

Cassius has laid a powerful ward on the missile, something he's been preparing form centuries. Rachel, though powerful, is an immature Phoenix, and can't break the spell to free Kitty. She decides somehow - maybe Cassius somehow plants the idea in her head, or perhaps just tell her directly (I like that, fits his true nature) that only if she amplifies her power with the M'Kraan Crystal, can she break the ward.

 

theoddlittleturtle

Oooh!

 

Amokitty

Since the bullet is magically protected as stated in Astonishing #23 or #24, does this mean Cassius is magical???

 

J_Harper

She does so, but now she has too much power. It's like cracking an egg with a nuclear blast. She would end up killing Kitty if she did so, and the psychic trauma of doing that, in combination with a second spell laid on the missile, completes her corruption.

 

xakko

Cassius knows some magic, IIRC

 

J_Harper

Cassius isn't a true sorcerer, but he knows some magic. He could have cast the spell himself, or coercied someone to do so,.

 

J_Harper

Yes.

 

Amokitty

Perfect. :D

 

theoddlittleturtle

coerced like Illyana or Belasco?

 

J_Harper

Anyhow, how does that work?

 

theoddlittleturtle

or the Augers...?

 

J_Harper

I don't know if it matters. What matters is that he managed to get the ward cast on the missile, by hook or by crook.

 

J_Harper

he could have given the Breakworlders the knowledge to cast the wards, if he couldn't do it himself.

 

Amokitty

Hmmm, a possible tie with Belasco's Elder Gods was mentioned earlier....

 

Kirayoshi

That would explain that magic field that they detected around the bullet in the original Whedon arc.

 

theoddlittleturtle

that made them drool

 

Amokitty

Ugh.

 

Kirayoshi

that's the one

 

theoddlittleturtle

it was terrible, yes, but i still lol'd

 

J_Harper

?

 

Amokitty

Jeremy: From Giant Size Astonishing. The magic of the bullet made everything delude themselves into saving Kitty, while in reality they drooled all over themselves.

 

Amokitty

EveryONE, I should say. :)

 

J_Harper

Yuck.

 

J_Harper

Yost killed Corsair? WTF?

 

Amokitty

Yeah. Not Whedon's best.

 

theoddlittleturtle

*cries*

 

Amokitty

Brubaker had Vulcan kill Corsair his father.

 

J_Harper

Ah. Wrong writer.

 

Amokitty

It happened in Deadly Genensis

 

J_Harper

Larsen is right. All these modern writers do is take away, don't add anything of worth.

 

Amokitty

I absolutely agree.

 

theoddlittleturtle

let's kill Pixie too

 

xakko

Corsair died in "Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire". he brought back D'Ken only to kill him too

 

J_Harper

Bleah. Okay, getting on a tangent. :) Sorry.,

 

Amokitty

Turtle: YESSSSSSSSS. :D

 

theoddlittleturtle

oh, does Pixie's soul toothpick have anything to do with anything for the RR?

 

theoddlittleturtle

heh

 

Amokitty

Whoops, you're right, Xak!

 

theoddlittleturtle

pleasesaynopleasesayno

 

J_Harper

Is there anything else we need to cover?

 

Kirayoshi

I'd just as soon leave Pixie out of it.

 

Author376

ditto

 

theoddlittleturtle

yay!

 

Kirayoshi

I don't care what 'it' is, leave Pixie out of it.

 

theoddlittleturtle

voting for a Fridge moment

 

J_Harper

Pixie is much reviled, I see. Shame she's so obnoxious. She looks cute.

 

xakko

I agree. I'd really rather not get as bloodthirsty as the Marvel writers

 

xakko

brb

 

J_Harper

Point. We seem to already be planning to kill off Vulcan and Korvus.

 

Kirayoshi

I believe the medical term for Pixie's condition is 'Mary Sue'

 

J_Harper

Ah. Nothing a few dozen whacks to the writer's head can't fix.

 

Kirayoshi

Let Pixie go mall-hopping with Hisako.

 

Kirayoshi

I kinda liked Hisako, but she's not really important to this arc.

 

J_Harper

That's fine.

 

J_Harper

Important ones right now are Peter, Kitty, Rachel, Illyana and Cassius.

 

theoddlittleturtle

I'm still confused as to where Illyana's fitting into all this...

 

Kirayoshi

Are Peter and Illyana going to take on Cassius alone, or do they hook up with the X-Men or another team?

 

J_Harper

Up to the wishes of whoever takes it up yet.

 

J_Harper

next.

 

theoddlittleturtle

and is the disk of any importance now?

 

theoddlittleturtle

flash drive...

 

Amokitty

Good point! I'd forgotten that!

 

J_Harper

Ah.

 

J_Harper

I dunno.

 

Kirayoshi

Would SWORD have any information on Cassius?

 

Amokitty

Has Brand heard of Cassius?

 

theoddlittleturtle

Brand found out somehow

 

Amokitty

Dammit....

 

Amokitty

;) :D Jinxed again!

 

J_Harper

Hmmmm.... I don't know.

 

theoddlittleturtle

::coolsmile

 

Kirayoshi

You said that Cassius wormed his way into mythologies across the cosmos, why not?

 

Amokitty

I am sooooo laughing.

 

J_Harper

I don't think Cassius is low profile. I think he probably infamous throughout knowns space, He's known by reputation, though people probably don't know what he's up to right now.

 

theoddlittleturtle

he's so low profile that he's myth in most cultures?

 

J_Harper

No, he's not low profile.

 

J_Harper

He's infamous.

 

Amokitty

So the info in the drive leads to Cassius somehow? Something that includes this NEW Breakworld/magical prophesy?

 

J_Harper

I thought the drive had targeting/tracking data on the missile.

 

theoddlittleturtle

oh, that works too

 

xakko

so we have an interstellar big bad who's not that well known on Earth.... ok.

 

Kirayoshi

Or is, but as a mythological figure

 

xakko

but he would probably be known by the Shi'ar.

 

theoddlittleturtle

i was wondering why piotr sent it to Beast though Beast is sleeping with Brand who could have given the info to him

 

Kirayoshi

Has Beast actually done anything with SWORD in MU continuity post-AXM?

 

xakko

did we ever learn what species Brand is?

 

xakko

he's been with Brand often, K

 

Kirayoshi

Half-human, father unknown.

 

Kirayoshi

Okay, didn't know.

 

J_Harper

Just checked K.'s turn. Flash stick has info on Breakworld metal and the bullets current trajectory.

 

theoddlittleturtle

ok

 

Kirayoshi

That might have been a red herring.

 

xakko

could Brand have an agenda to NOT save Kitty?

 

theoddlittleturtle

Brand working for Cassius?

 

xakko

maybe a corrupted version of the prophecy (supplied by Cassius) that hints that trying to save Kitty will end the universe?

 

Kirayoshi

Nah, she's a military bitch but not a sadist.

 

J_Harper

Hmmmm... Cassius could have thought of that, but I don't know if we should add such a complication. Cassius by himself is dangerous enough.

 

Kirayoshi

Let's not overthink the plotline.

 

xakko

ok

 

J_Harper

Cassius is also arrogant, and maybe thinks that the heroes on earth have lost hope. He knows trouble is coming for him, but he hasn't preceived what exactly it is.

 

xakko

I thought you mentioned that Cassius's strength was in the planning, not improvisation, but I may be taking that too far

 

J_Harper

I got it. Maybe Peter and Illyana can ask the X-Men to use the data on the disk to send them to intercept the missile, and try to keep Rachel away from the trap laid on the bullet.

 

J_Harper

Short circuit the Cassius plans, when they find out what those plans exact natures are.

 

J_Harper

So Peter and Illyanna, maybe one or two others go try to deal with Cassius and get the Spear to unravel the trapwards, while the other X-Men try to keep Rachel away.

 

xakko

while Cassius or an agent tries to get Vulcan to go retrieve it?

 

xakko

(as a valuable resource?)

 

J_Harper

Yeah!

 

xakko

and makes sure that is leaked to Rachel on the Starjammer?

 

J_Harper

Yeah.

 

J_Harper

How does that sound, guys?

 

theoddlittleturtle

whoo!

 

Kirayoshi

Looking good so far.

 

Author376

Very good!

 

theoddlittleturtle

If we are redeeming Scott, is he going to participate?

 

J_Harper

Up to you guys. I have no problem with it. I like Scott.

 

Author376

It's his "daughter" Maybe he should be in charge of keeping her away from the missle.

 

Kirayoshi

Say what you will about him, Scott's a good tactician

 

J_Harper

Well, I like the Scott I've read about, at any rate. Not this new Scott.

 

Author376

It would give him a chance to tell Emma to got to hell.

 

theoddlittleturtle

but she hates him right now... wouldn't sehe do the oposite?

 

Author376

He'd still want to try and help.

 

theoddlittleturtle

*she, *opposite

 

Kirayoshi

Can I have him tell Emma he knows about her hooking up with Osborn's cartel?

 

Author376

Or at least apologise/

 

xakko

HEH

 

J_Harper

I have no problem with it.

 

Author376

That would be cool!

 

theoddlittleturtle

agreed

 

xakko

* fights impulse to bring Jean back, which would REALLY be out of the scope of the story

 

J_Harper

Okay, is there anything else? I personally don't want to get too much detail down, since that may cramp those who particpate.

 

J_Harper

But is there anything else we need to hash out?

 

Author376

Nothing, but maybe a summery of the basic plot points we've reached here should be posted at Kiotr LJ so that we could refer back to it as we write, in case we forgot/got confused about any of these newly hashed out details?

 

J_Harper

Okay, that would be good.

 

J_Harper

Would someone like to volunteer for that?

 

xakko

if possible, and to save further consternation, do we want to start minimizing the prophecy thing? it was really my way to get Rachel involved

 

Author376

I asked because I'm a little confused (admitts guiltily)

 

Amokitty

Will the White Hot Room be included in this?

 

J_Harper

?

 

Author376

But there is no need to try to explain it to me now, at 1:20am, I just won't absorb it (also admits guitily).

 

theoddlittleturtle

lol

 

J_Harper

Morrison concept?

 

Kirayoshi

Yeppers

 

J_Harper

Ah.

 

xakko

White Hot Room = where Jean is right now

 

J_Harper

Ah.

 

Kirayoshi

Kind of a valhalla for past Phoenixes

 

Kirayoshi

Phoenixii

 

Kirayoshi

whatever the plural for Phoenix is.

 

J_Harper

Only if someone wants to kill Rachel, I guess... :/

 

theoddlittleturtle

is Jean needed to save the universe?

 

Kirayoshi

I'd just as soon not.

 

J_Harper

No, I think the people we have now are up to the task.

 

theoddlittleturtle

oh thank goodness

 

J_Harper

Okay, so get these points up in coherent form on Kiotr.

 

J_Harper

That's one.

 

J_Harper

Also, K suggested revising the rules.

 

J_Harper

How does a 3000 word limit and a week of writing time sound?

 

theoddlittleturtle

Much better

 

xakko

yeah, the only reason I wanted to bring Jean in is to smack down Emma. nothing to do with the story

 

xakko

works for me

 

Kirayoshi

More space for plot development.

 

J_Harper

Will 3000 be enough?

 

J_Harper

For everyone?

 

Amokitty

I'll be sure to post the transcript up by Monday so folks can double check and refresh memories.

 

xakko

how about "roughly" 3000?

 

J_Harper

Thanks Shari>

 

J_Harper

.

 

J_Harper

Okay, that's cool.

 

theoddlittleturtle

*Jean is brought back and smacks down Emma prior to returning to the White Hot Room* there ya go, Xak

 

Kirayoshi

Should be able to flesh out some good solid action in that amount of space.

 

J_Harper

Flexible 3000 limit.

 

J_Harper

If you're getting too close to 4000, end it.

 

theoddlittleturtle

that works for me... I'm lucky to get over 2000 heh

 

J_Harper

Keep the 20 turn flexilbe limit, or do you want to raise it to 25 or 30?

 

J_Harper

We still have 12 turns.

 

theoddlittleturtle

we may need to up it...

 

Kirayoshi

I say that the story takes whatever it takes to be told.

 

theoddlittleturtle

2nded

 

Amokitty

Thirty works for me, because this sounds epic.

 

xakko

agreed.

 

Amokitty

Infinite length!!

 

darkstorm5000

Fine with me

 

J_Harper

So throw out the turn limit?

 

Kirayoshi

If it had been a simple rescue job, then we could get it done in the orignal alloted time.

 

Kirayoshi

With Cassius thrown into the equation, all bets are off.

 

J_Harper

Okay, throw out the turn limit.

 

Kirayoshi

Have we considered a title for this story?

 

theoddlittleturtle

maybe the next RR will have a turn limit ;)

 

theoddlittleturtle

The Kiotr RR

 

xakko

I don't mean to get all "work" minded, but we could use a project leader

 

Kirayoshi

Just in case we decide to post it elsewhere, like fanfiction.net

 

J_Harper

I think for the next rr, if we do one, a nice, simple romance or smut fic. I wasn't expecting what this one is turning into,.

 

xakko

heh

 

theoddlittleturtle

aww, now if this isn't romance, i don't know what is ;)

 

Amokitty

Hear, hear!!!!! *blushes*

 

theoddlittleturtle

I'm all for smut

 

J_Harper

Ashes of Destiny?

 

theoddlittleturtle

whoo!

 

Kirayoshi

The Ruined Man

 

Amokitty

I like.

 

Amokitty

That works too!

 

J_Harper

Ruins of Destiny

 

theoddlittleturtle

Ruins of Destiny

 

theoddlittleturtle

jinx

 

J_Harper

Jinx.

 

J_Harper

Heh.

 

theoddlittleturtle

:D

 

Kirayoshi

I see 'Destiny' in the title, I think Irene Adler

 

xakko

erk

 

theoddlittleturtle

oh noes... not the books

 

xakko

I don't want to go there.

 

J_Harper

The Spear of Ruins.

 

Kirayoshi

Rising from the Ruins?

 

theoddlittleturtle

The Dragon and the Phoenix

 

Kirayoshi

Anyone else think of Christopher Walken as Gabriel when they think of Cassius?

 

J_Harper

Ruins of Fate?

 

xakko

"hello!"

 

J_Harper

Eh, no. fate feels like a weak word.

 

theoddlittleturtle

*raises hand

 

xakko

sorry, Animaniacs ref

 

J_Harper

Heh.

 

J_Harper

Ruined Phoenix?

 

Amokitty

Ha!

 

J_Harper

Flames of Ruin?

 

J_Harper

Ack.

 

theoddlittleturtle

Ruined

 

J_Harper

Simple. Effective.

 

Amokitty

How about "Back"? Instead of "Gone"? ;)

 

Kirayoshi

Return

 

theoddlittleturtle

And the Cat Came Back..

 

Kirayoshi

I did a post-Season five Buffy story called 'Return'

 

Amokitty

Fantastic!!!!!!

 

J_Harper

The very next day. the cat came back, they thought he was a goner.

 

Kirayoshi

A Buffy/Sandman crossover

 

theoddlittleturtle

:D

 

J_Harper

But the cat came back the very next day, away away away away.

 

Amokitty

Giggling here.

 

Kirayoshi

NOw I'm flashing back to Canadian cartoons!

 

theoddlittleturtle

LOL

 

J_Harper

I loved that cartoon.

 

xakko

Sesame Street for me

 

darkstorm5000

How about "...But Not Forgotten"?

 

theoddlittleturtle

K is for Kiotr

 

J_Harper

Anyhow, we can eventually thrash out a title. We have plenty of time. Last question: who is next? K. you expressed interest. Do you want to make your dib official?

 

Kirayoshi

Uh, hello, taken!

 

Kirayoshi

Sorry, Darkstorm

 

theoddlittleturtle

ROFL

 

Kirayoshi

And yes, I am working on it!

 

darkstorm5000

Seriously? I didn't realize! (Sorry)

 

Amokitty

How does one sum up the machinations of a ruined man? You can't really say it succinctly.

 

xakko

you need to check ~K's story out, DS

 

J_Harper

Xakko currently is ineligible for one more turn, and I'm out for two.

 

Kirayoshi

It's up on fanfiction.net, DS

 

Kirayoshi

Let me think about it. I may have something in a day or two.

 

Kirayoshi

Have some last minute christmas shopping to take care of tomorrow.

 

J_Harper

Hopefully we'll link of something, and it won't be a Harlan Ellison mini-novel of a title, too.

 

J_Harper

think.

 

J_Harper

Okay.

 

xakko

cool

 

xakko

this collaborative stuff is fun

 

theoddlittleturtle

yes extra fun!

 

theoddlittleturtle

we should do this more often!

 

J_Harper

It is interesting. This one is a lot more complicated than the ones I've done in the past. I think it'll be worth it.

 

Kirayoshi

I remember being involved in a BtVS round robin.

 

Kirayoshi

Sadly three of the writers dropped off suddenly at once, and the story lost momentum.

 

J_Harper

Things happen, unfortunately.

 

Author376

Loads of fun, wish I were awake enough to hace participated more. I'll definitely join the writing as soon as I am awake and can process all of the very interesting things hashed out here. Sorry for not being very helpful, and being late on top of that.

 

J_Harper

Okay, folks. Is there anything else we should touch? I have to head out in a few minutes.

 

Author376

Same here.

 

Kirayoshi

Nothing here

 

J_Harper

That's okay.

 

Kirayoshi

If there is something later, we can address it in the forum.

 

J_Harper

Okay.

 

xakko

I'm still game to chat, but we can definitely be done with the RR

 

Amokitty

Anytime you guys want to get together to discuss this further, just let me know. We'll chat some more to flesh out whatever needs attention. :)

 

J_Harper

Okay. I have to go. Need to get up so I can wait two hours for AAA to tow me tomorrow. Everyone have a good night.

 

J_Harper

Thanks you for hosting us, Shari,. :)

 

Author376

I'm about to fall asleep, so I'll sign off. Goodnight everyone!

 

Author376

Thanks Amokitty!

 

Kirayoshi

Later all.

 

xakko

gah... good luck with that

 

Author376

By K!

 

Amokitty

Happy to do it, Jeremy!

 

Kirayoshi

And Merry Christmas

 

theoddlittleturtle

have a good night y'all

 

xakko

g'nita!

 

J_Harper

Merry X-mas.

 

J_Harper

Bye. :)

 

Amokitty

Good night, guys! Merry Christmas!!!! :D

 

xakko

merry christmas!

 

Author376

Bye everybodey!

 

theoddlittleturtle

merry christmas

 

darkstorm5000

Goodnight J, K, AND 376

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Author376

Happy Holidays!

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Kirayoshi

And to all a good night!

 

Amokitty

Night! :)

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xakko

so, amo, ds, turtle, sticking around?

 

Amokitty

We got a lot accomplished, guys. Pretty happy how things have turned out.

 

Amokitty

I'm sticking around until the cows come home. You know me. :)

 

theoddlittleturtle

i'm probably going to be heading out in a minute or two... i've gotta get up early as well

 

theoddlittleturtle

i've had a long week getting over the flu

 

xakko

me too

 

Amokitty

I'm sorry to hear that Turtle. How are you doing now?

 

theoddlittleturtle

my LJ has been burning since I've been stuck in bed

 

theoddlittleturtle

no mo sniffles yay!

 

xakko

er, as to being happy about the turnout

 

Amokitty

Yay, this is good!

 

xakko

glad you're doing better, turtle

 

theoddlittleturtle

now hubby is sick though lol

 

Amokitty

I was fairly certain most folks would come. The interest in the RR is pretty high. :)

 

xakko

gah

 

Amokitty

Ah geez. Poor Turtle.

 

theoddlittleturtle

i'm glad everyone who did come was here

 

theoddlittleturtle

wait.. that didn't make sense...

 

theoddlittleturtle

but y'all know what i meant right?

 

Amokitty

We knew what you meant! :D

 

darkstorm5000

Don't worry, we get it

 

theoddlittleturtle

yay!

 

xakko

Jeremy came up with a great focal point for us. Way different from where I was thinking

 

theoddlittleturtle

me too

 

Amokitty

Just like with the RR itself, everyone contributed with their ideas tonight. I have high hopes that this will turn out extremely well. The spirit of cooperation that ya'll have going is wonderful.

 

theoddlittleturtle

so amo, will you be participating? *grinning

 

Amokitty

Heh, I would if I were an actual writer. ;)

 

theoddlittleturtle

awww

 

theoddlittleturtle

:)

 

Amokitty

I'm just a fan, as well as being a sort of head cheerleader.

 

xakko

would you consider being project leader?

 

theoddlittleturtle

and den mother! ;D

 

Amokitty

Huh?

 

Amokitty

Den mother..... *cracks up*

 

xakko

without the maximum term limit, I'm worried we may wander a bit

 

Amokitty

Oh dear lord. Are you suggesting a beta of sorts?

 

xakko

no... I guess work is taking over my brain

 

Amokitty

Then define project leader, my dear Xak. :)

 

xakko

if we don't have a clear goal line, a project tends to get off track, over budget and the like

 

theoddlittleturtle

hasn't jeremy been the one keeping track of things though?

 

xakko

(i had to go into work to validate a project implementation, and I'm still in checkpoint call mode, I think)

 

Amokitty

This reminds me, I meant to ask Jeremy, but got off track. Will any revisions be allowed in one's particular entry? To make it fit this outline we now have a little better idea?

 

xakko

he has, yes. and it's his baby. I wasn't sure he wanted to responsibility, especially since we have him writing again (yay!)

 

Amokitty

I am SO damn thrilled he's writing again.

 

xakko

amokitty did get us to use tags. :)

 

theoddlittleturtle

lol but it's her baby

 

Amokitty

*Laughs. I just thought it would make things easier int he long run.

 

theoddlittleturtle

the forum that is

 

darkstorm5000

For those of us who're tag-impaired (looks at self)

 

theoddlittleturtle

(looks at self too)

 

Amokitty

It's kind of turned into my baby, whether I wanted it or not. Not that I don't love the comm and almost every single participant there - but it can be a handful sometimes.

 

theoddlittleturtle

didn't realize that was what they were for and now i've gotta go back and edit the tags on my lj

 

Amokitty

The tags will just keep these entries in order with their very own page.

 

theoddlittleturtle

amo, you do an excellent job!

 

Amokitty

Thank you very, very much Turtle. I don't always think so, but for what it may be worth I do try...

 

theoddlittleturtle

yeah, but when i realized that i could have sorted everything uniformly.... *sighs*

 

Amokitty

Oh! You mean tags for your Spidey/Colossus ongoing story, Turtle?

 

darkstorm5000

And we appreciate it all, more than you may realize

 

theoddlittleturtle

agree with DS

 

xakko

we do!

 

theoddlittleturtle

yup and nope, everything before the ongoing

 

Amokitty

Oh, Marcus. You are SUCH a dear. I'm gonna get weepy in a minute, I swear.... ;)

 

darkstorm5000

No tears on the keyboard, it won't like it ::smile

 

theoddlittleturtle

if you do, i will and i'm not even there... ;)

 

Amokitty

*laughs* You're right! Can't have THAT.

 

Amokitty

Virtual tear jerking..... :D

 

theoddlittleturtle

ROFL

 

xakko

you've had enough computer issues this year

 

theoddlittleturtle

y'know that could be dirty...

 

theoddlittleturtle

lol

 

xakko

btw, down to one hand here- puff needs attention

 

Amokitty

Tell me about it! It's ALL fixed now! And even if I do have anymore problems - I got my laptop now. Hee!

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xakko

hi!

 

xakko

we all got disconnected!

 

Amokitty

Power outages. You gotta love them! Ugh.

 

xakko

I was worried the storm got you

 

xakko

apparently I was right

 

Amokitty

Dammit all...

 

xakko

I started getting Puff ready for bed, then saw no one had replied to me in about 10 minutes, and figured something went bad

 

xakko

Turtle apologized over on LJ

 

Amokitty

I saw, and I just responded. I'm sorry the way things turned out! It's like the exploding room all over again. :(

 

xakko

like you said, the weather's getting us all

 

xakko

and we did get the RR chat part done

 

xakko

and the Uncanny venting, for that matter

 

Amokitty

I sure hope the power stays on.

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xakko

so do i... it's way too cold

 

xakko

gah!

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Amokitty

What the hell?!!!!!!

 

Amokitty

We get a flicker, then KA-BOOM.

 

xakko

not a happy restart?

 

Amokitty

Doesn't look like it.

 

xakko

or is the power flickering?

 

Amokitty

Power.

 

Amokitty

I hope there isn't damage being done....

 

Amokitty

To the room, I mean.

 

xakko

yikes, maybe a shutdown is in order

 

xakko

to prevent surges and the like

 

Amokitty

If it does it again, I will. And here I was hoping this would never happen again. *looks sheepish*

 

Amokitty

It's not like things were wrapping up anyway, I guess. :)

 

xakko

there's an external cause this time

 

Amokitty

*weren't* I mean.

 

xakko

yeah...

 

Amokitty

Mark is looking at it. I'm wondering if the outage has affected how the room is working. Hmmm.

 

xakko

I hope not

 

Amokitty

I'm so happy you guys came! That was one productive brainstroming session.

 

xakko

it was!

 

Amokitty

And lord, did you guys make me laugh.

 

xakko

too many jinxes in this crowd

 

Amokitty

Tonight had a record on the jinxes. Kinda funny, but cool in that we're all on the same page. :)

 

Amokitty

Before you go, how is Puff doing?

 

xakko

she's happily digging on her pillow

 

xakko

she's dug through three pillow cases on one of them

 

Amokitty

Dug THROUGH pillowcases??

 

Amokitty

Whoa.

 

Amokitty

Funny how we barely touched the subject of Uncanny this evening. AU's are so much more fun.

 

xakko

she's a busy little bunny

 

xakko

Uncanny is just depressing

 

Amokitty

Yeah.... :(

 

xakko

are they breaking up Scott and Emma? I mean, is that the point?

 

xakko

if so, yay, but why drag Scott through the deepest muck to cause it?

 

Amokitty

I don't see that happening. I'm betting it's an elaborate tease.

 

xakko

it would be interesting to truly see Scott on his own for a good long while

 

Amokitty

Scott LIVES in muck.

 

Amokitty

I would really like that! His girl problems are getting a bit stale, but I think this traitor plot with Ems is just another way to add some 'interest' to their ship.

 

xakko

they had been getting Emma too close to Jean lite - this is a way to remind us that she isn't

 

Amokitty

Yes indeed, and for that I'm grateful. Emma and Pixie both can do no wrong. It's too much.

 

xakko

gah Pixie

 

Amokitty

I seriously wonder if I've outgrown my hobby. I buy them, but they don't really hold any interest for me.

 

xakko

I'm still finding stuff that interests me. Unfortunately, it's not in X-books right now

 

Amokitty

I guess after 25 years, maybe I'm getting too old, or too tired for them? *sigh*

 

Amokitty

I'll read the old stuff again and again, but the new stuff I read, I can't retain what's going on. I'm so bored with it.

 

xakko

I dunno, I'm in the middle of a debate with StarsAndGarters over on LWW about the merits of Bendis and his impact on the 616

 

xakko

and I feel I'm being curmudgeonly about it

 

Amokitty

You DO get that particular epithet mentioned in conjunction with you sometimes. ;) But the kicker is that I think so very much the same way. You're not alone!

 

xakko

from House of M to Secret Invasion, Bendis is just a big ball of failure for his big, nonsensical EVENTS

 

Amokitty

God help me they're starting to run together now...

 

xakko

I mean, he ruins multiple characters, kills off Jan, just to bring back Bobbi?

 

xakko

and Bobbi is known to be dead, since we saw her in the afterlife a couple times

 

Amokitty

Jan's dead, and Bobbi's back? Wow. How does Hawkeye feel about this??

 

Amokitty

Does he consider himself married to her at all?

 

xakko

there's a scene with Clint and Bobbi in Dark Reign... Bobbi may still be a Skrull, or think she is. Or Clint is. It was a bit muddled

 

Amokitty

Of course it was! :D

 

xakko

I actually liked the Agents of Atlas bit though

 

xakko

I'm digging Jeff Parker

 

Amokitty

I haven't kept up on Avengers at all, so thank you for bring me up to speed on this.

 

xakko

it was the end of Secret Invasion #8

 

Amokitty

Ah. Well, same difference. ;)

 

xakko

all the replaced heroes were found on a Skrull ship

 

Amokitty

Bobbi was a Skrull? Wow, that really IS the answer for everything now. And to think we used to joke about this....

 

xakko

there's no way the original Bobbi was a Skrull. Bendis established they still revent to Skrull form on death

 

xakko

not that Skrullverine did until Beast triggered it, but whatever

 

xakko

plus, Bobbi was scene in Dead Girl and GLA as being dead

 

xakko

seen

 

Amokitty

We probably have the Lyja retcon to ultimately thank for all of this.

 

xakko

ugh

 

Amokitty

I don't even know everything that's going on in the X-Men let alone any other team. It's getting too expensive, and my patience too thin.

 

xakko

i'm still just flabberghasted by how Norman Osborn comes into near unlimited power

 

Amokitty

That's pushing even comic book credulity to the max!

 

xakko

just because he shot the queen Skrull

 

Amokitty

And he gets to run everything because of it. Talk about a national "thank You".

 

Amokitty

Uncanny may have sucked, but it didn't COMPLETELY suck. I was incredibly happy to see Madison Jeffries. The Beast and Angel subplot is the only thing even remotely holding my interest.

 

xakko

that was pretty cool

 

Amokitty

Now if we could just see the rest of Alpha Flight. God, I hate Bendis.

 

xakko

I dunno, there could be good bits throughout, but the Colossus subplot is SO BAD i can't see past it

 

xakko

I don't hate Bendis, I just don't like him in 616

 

xakko

I love Powers, I like Ultimate Spidey

 

Amokitty

No good wil come from this storyline. It's going to be used as Peter's 'moving on' period. He might even date some other woman.

 

Amokitty

He'll put his grief behind him, and then find something that inspires him to paint again. I worry, I really do.

 

Amokitty

Or I should say, someONE to inspire him.

 

Amokitty

Molly says "hi!" by the way. :)

 

xakko

hi puppy!

 

Amokitty

LOL.

 

xakko

i think you're right

 

xakko

that's why I think, even if they bring Kitty back soon, they'll essentially have broken them up because of the damage Fraction is doing to Colossus

 

Amokitty

That's exactly what I think too. When Kitty DOES come back, Peter will be with someone else, and up the angst factor for them both. I hate lame, cheesy, ploys like that. It so predictable, and it dumbs down the quality of the book.

 

xakko

yeah, but you just used "quality" with "Uncanny", and that hasn't been there for a long time

 

Amokitty

True. And I wonder if it'll ever get good again. I doubt it, and that's because there's too many books, too many writers confusing things. The franchise has become an asylum that the inmates are running.

 

xakko

anyway... I think I'd better get to bed.

 

xakko

it's 3 am, and I have to clean the house.

 

Amokitty

Yeah, it's late but at least not nearly as late as last time! ;)

 

Amokitty

What??? did you say clean the house??? Now???

 

xakko

when I get up

 

Amokitty

Ah. :)

 

xakko

my brother and sister in law will be coming to stay with us on Wednesday

 

Amokitty

You're having Christmas guests? That's nice. Or at least I hope it will be!

 

Amokitty

I want for you and Deb to have a nice Christmas. I'll cross my fingers.

 

Amokitty

:)

 

xakko

thanks, and to you as well

 

Amokitty

The holidays stopped being fun for us a long time ago, but I appreciate the sentiment nevertheless. :)

 

Amokitty

At least I have my SHS Kitty and Peter! It could be worse!

 

xakko

* still jealous

 

Amokitty

Ha!! Ha!!

 

Amokitty

I'll admit it. I was damn lucky on that one.

 

xakko

anyway, I do have to go. take care, and my best to Mark, and Molly and the other critters

 

xakko

stay warm (and the power stay on!)

 

Amokitty

Thank you, dear. and my best to Deb as well! Good luck with cleaning! And thank you for coming tonight and being your usual cool self. :)

 

xakko

g'nite! thanks for hosting us!

 

Amokitty

Good night! :)

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  Amokitty

This was an incredibly fun and productive night despite the power outages the room suffered.  Apologies go to Darkstorm5000, The Odd Little Turtle, and Xakko for the room explosions (at least we didnít suffer them repeatedly - Iím so sorry, guys!).  And MANY thanks are due to Kirayoshi, Xakko, The Odd Little Turtle, Jeremy Harper, Author 376, and Darkstorm5000 for coming tonight.  Their cooperative spirit with the Kiotr Round Robin makes me proud to know such exceptionally talented writers who also happen to be exceptionally kind people.  May they and YOU have the very Happiest of Holidays.  :)   Good night.

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