Transcript for KIOTR Chat  -  November 22nd, 2008
Topic: Uncanny X-Men #504, and Manifest Destiny #3

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Author376

Hello Everyone!....I'm obviously early....

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Amokitty

Hi!!

xakko

howdy

Amokitty

Wow, I just got here! LOL.

xakko

heh

Amokitty

How's it going?

Amokitty

Hey 376, are you there?

Author376

Whoops, ran off to get a glass of water. I'm back now!

Amokitty

HA! Hey there! :)

Author376

How is everyone? I'm fine.

Amokitty

Doing good! Helluva weekend with my furnace going out. Ugh.

Author376

Oh, no! It is a bad time of year for the furnace to go out! Especially if you live up north. You live in Washington State, right?

Amokitty

Yep.

Author376

Oh, bbrrrr. I hope you got your funrace fixed.

xakko

gah! no furnace?

Amokitty

Yeah, to the tune of $615.00. Oy!

xakko

I'm trying to get used to the new computer

Amokitty

I just got your e-mail, Xak! New Mac Mini! VERY cool.

Author376

Ouch. $615.00, painful.

Author376

Ooh, Mac Mini?! Neat :)

xakko

well, if it could just have held out a couple more months

Amokitty

I know! It sucks for this stuff to be happening this close to Christmas.

xakko

I lost a little of the crossover. I've got most of it posted or on a flash drive, but I'd been noodling and lost the Nightcrawler stuff

xakko

:(

Author376

Yeah, for some reason everything seems to come to a boiling point right before the holidays. :(

Amokitty

Oh no!! Is it your newest outline, or did you lose the older material you already posted to LiveJournal?

Author376

Oh no! I hate it when the computer eats some of my work, I just want to yell at the thing. That's why I got a new one. What did you loose?

xakko

everything older than the LWW writing contest is safe on a flash drive

xakko

and I can pull the new scene from LJ

xakko

I was just toying with the Diagon Alley scene, and have to recreate that

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Author376

But you lost everything in between? Ugh, I am so sorry! *Hugs*

Author376

HI MadR!

Amokitty

Howdy Rose! Good to see you. :)  :)

xakko

hi Rose!

MadR

Hello

MadR

Huh, the show rooms panel is blank. So who all's here?

Amokitty

376, Xak, me and you.

Author376

Me, Amokitty, you, Xakko

Amokitty

LOL.

Author376

Hee!

Author376

:)

Amokitty

Hmmm. My panel shows up fine. Maybe you could leave and come back, and then see if it changes?

MadR

Ok

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Author376

Any better?

Amokitty

Is anyone else having trouble??

MadR

Yup, that worked!

Amokitty

Woo-hoo!

Author376

Nope, looks fine to me.

Author376

Yays!

Amokitty

Good! I sure hope there's no hiccups tonight....

xakko

no worries here

Author376

It'll be fine!

xakko

not used to having sound (lost it when I did my reinstall way back when)

Author376

I usually turn my sound off. The pinging noise that happens when I click on something attracts my cat, and that's usually when she steals my wireless mouse.

Amokitty

Mark already sold the Mac Mini he got this summer and bought a Mac Book instead. Likes it better, apparently.

xakko

I don't think I have to worry about Puff getting my mouse

Amokitty

I always turn on the doorbell function so I'm alerted when someone enters the room.

xakko

she had managed to nibble on the keyboard cable without our noticing

Author376

I would love to have $2,000 so that I could buy one of those thin books from Mac... and I named my cat Pirate, of COURSE she steals my mouse. She'd steal the computer if she could carry it!

Amokitty

Naughty bunny! She probably figures that if she has to chew on something, it might as well be what's in front of her!

Author376

She's a good kitty, though.

xakko

arrrr! avast ye mangy peripherals!

MadR

The worst I get with the dogs is sometimes Fraser wants up in my lap while I'm trying to type

Author376

LOL!

xakko

right now she's sitting behind me trying to send waves of "I'm cute, dammit!" at me

Amokitty

Heh, heh. Mark spent $800.00 for his instead of full price, and it was in its unopened box! Thank you, Craig's List!

MadR

376...y'know, with one cat named Pirate, it'd be neat if your mother would let you name the kitten Ninja.

Author376

My cat is the family theif, she'll take anything, and if it's food, she'll fight you for it! I suppose that with those contantly growing front teeth a bunny would chew all the time.

Author376

OMG!!! BRB, running off to ask my mom if we can name the new kitty ninja!

Amokitty

Ninja... :D :D :D

xakko

good call

Author376

Mom says we will NOT be naming her kitty Ninja :(

MadR

Her mom seems to be against fannish names for the new black kitten.

Amokitty

Aw!

Author376

She is! She won't let us name it dragon after the kitty on Secret of Nimh either!

Author376

*POUTS*

MadR

The poor thing's going to end up being called You Cat, isnt' it? So many suggestions she's nixed.

Author376

Then again, she named her other cat Powderpuff, so you can see the kind of things she names animals.

xakko

how about stormshadow or snakeeyes?

Amokitty

She'd probably hate the name Lockheed too, huh? ;)

Author376

The Cat With No Name is what we're going with now. Spontanious songs? Yep.

Author376

Tried 'em all!

Author376

Mom is stuck on something cute that ends in Y.

MadR

Fluffy

Amokitty

Something in "Y"... Well, there's always people names! All my pets have people names actually.

Author376

Mom already had a cat named Fluffy, and she doesn't want to repeat names! ARGH!

Amokitty

Fluffy is perfect!

Amokitty

Darn...

Author376

The woman grew up on a farm with no less than 20 cats at any given time, there are no cute names left that the woman hasn't used!

Author376

I am at a loss...

xakko

just not Spuffy!

Author376

OMG *dies laughing*

Amokitty

Ugh. I can't believe you said that. LOL.

MadR

heh

xakko

what can I say, I was reading a whole lot of HP fanfic lately and some of the odder 'ships disturbed me. at least Spuffy was in continuity

Author376

The ships can get weird, and that's without even cringing at the Naruto cross overs.

MadR

Oh HP fanfic can get scary

Amokitty

We were just talking about Xak's computer eating his X-Men/Harry Potter x-over. I hope it isn't too much trouble to recover from this, Xak.

MadR

Oh no! That sucks.

Author376

I hope so too, that is really going to be a wonderful X-over. I can't wait to see one that's well done!

xakko

not too much. just the new Nightcrawler scene in Diagon Alley. really, I've got most of that in my head

Author376

Well, that's the place to store things, well, except ice picks...

xakko

especially the little boy who tells his mom about the "bwoo man wit' da tail"

Author376

Sorry, my mom's watching a real life ER program very loudly in the room next to mine

Author376

Awww! "Bwoo man wit' da tail.." That's adorable!

Amokitty

When do you think you'll officially post this, Xak?

Author376

"Jr.! What did I tell you about sniffing the barrells in the apothacary!"

Amokitty

Is this an Indy reference?

Author376

No, just name repitetion is very common in my family.

xakko

I don't know... at first, I was thinking that all of this exposition was one chapter... now I'm not so sure

Amokitty

Ah. the name Jr. is what brought Indy to mind. :)

xakko

I don't know how to post it, I don't know where to post it... this story is going to give me trouble

Author376

That had to be one of my favorite things about the 3rd film... "We named the DOG, Indiana."

Author376

Post it where ever! Post it, and we will read!

Amokitty

What kind of problems are you having, Xak?

MadR

Does FFN have a HP Crossover section? I vaguely remember something like that.

Amokitty

Me too!

Author376

I do believe that they have a crossover section, I don't know if it's Harry Potter specific, but I know that they have on for cross overs!

xakko

they have all their crossoevers in one place.

MadR

Or maybe the Archive Of Our Own will be out of beta by then and we can colonize it, heh.

xakko

and there's nothing to draw in new readers

Author376

Archive of Our Own?

Amokitty

You don't think there'll be Potter fans reading your story?

MadR

The whole Organization For Transformative Works thing. Academic fen made a fannish non-profit thing for fanfic.

MadR

There's an academic journal, a test-run at an archive, and supposedly journalling somewhere down the line

Amokitty

Interesting!

Author376

Potter fans will read anything, trust me. My X-Man readership jumped hugely after I posted that last HP story. They read it, wandered onto my Author's page at ff.net, and then read my other stories.

Author376

Cool, I'll have to check it out.

xakko

did you have trouble with flames, 376?

xakko

I think the biggest issue is structure... I'm starting with a lot of quick hitting scenes to set the stage, then the cross-over proper starts

xakko

I wonder if it will be a little jarring for the reader to go from scene to scene... and I worry that the HP fans won't know the X-men, and vice versa

Amokitty

So you're thinking of giving a little Claremont style background on both 'verses, maybe?

xakko

well, I don't know... I hate having to explain myself

MadR

info dumps can be tricky. You need just enough exposition.

Amokitty

Xak: Are you worried about those who have said that your work is too wordy or dense? Is this why you're concerned about explaining yourself too much?

xakko

that was the most repeated criticism of my entries for last year's LWW writing contest, Amo

xakko

I wonder sometimes how Kit's or BoM read to someone who really just read X-men for Wolverine and Gambit

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Amokitty

I know... but you shouldn't give them too much weight. It's not like your work is War and Peace. For those who are interested, the depth and intensity of your work is perfect.

MadR

yeah, not exactly the target audience.

Amokitty

Hey there, Mel! What's new?

MadR

Hi Mel

melodyrider

Hi everyone!

xakko

hiya MR

melodyrider

Not much, really. How about you guys?

xakko

having serious bunny issues... i'll try to read whilst giving scritches

Amokitty

Heh, busy dealing with a broken furnace... :/

MadR

Weeklong bout of chest wall pain

MadR

Broken furnace?

melodyrider

Sorry to hear about your PC, Xak. How's the mini-mac working out for you?

Author376

HI Meldoy rider!

melodyrider

Hi Author!

Amokitty

Oh Rose. I'm sorry this is bugging you again. With Thanksgiving coming up it's the last thing you need.

Author376

Sorry about that. Had to leave the computer to give the new kitten eye medicine. She protested and had to be given cuddles

Author376

I know, I hope you dad lets you take it easy instead of bugging you like he did at Halloween.

xakko

ot to bad... there'sa lot to get used too.

Author376

*hugs* :)

MadR

Well, Dad usually does the turkey, so no big deal. I just hope I break through before I run out of Motrin.

melodyrider

*nods* Once you get used to it, it'll become second nature, I'm sufe

xakko

he keyboard is alread covered in fur

Author376

Oh, yes, the fur is the first thing to invade any new electronics.

MadR

It's just damn tiring. CW pain, then my eye problem, now cw pain again.

melodyrider

Heh. Well of course. Puff doesn't want you to forget who you should really be paying attentiion to :)

Author376

My cat likes to sleep behind my laptop, pressed against the back of the monitor, because it's warm.

xakko

I think the wireless keyboard doesn't like being on my lap... it's dropping letters

Amokitty

Maybe it's due to the fur?? ;)

xakko

how's your arm, Rose?

MadR

shed fur getting into the keyboard could do it

MadR

Just a dull constant ache. Took my pain pill at ten.

xakko

it's doing better on the desk

Author376

Yeah, I have to keep a can of compressed air to clean my keyboard out. It could also just be that it needs the consistant pressure of a flat surface because the pressure sensors under the keypad aren't the most sensitive.

melodyrider

Yeah, it's probaby a better posture to type from, too

Amokitty

Rose, I hope typing won't make it worse.

xakko

*hugs* Rose

MadR

aw thanks.

Author376

"Waits till Xakko is done, and *hugs* MadR too.

Amokitty

*hugs for Rose* for dealing with this, and then coming by anyway. Thank you!

xakko

so... dare we talk about Uncanny?

Author376

Yes, thanks for coming. Otherwise, we'd miss you. (Obvious Author is Obvious)

MadR

Hey, it helps distract me. That's kind of what I did to my eye before, dried it out spending too much time surfing for escapism.

Amokitty

We aim to please! :)

xakko

and posting disturbing images of Max Lard?

xakko

Lord, gah

MadR

Uncanny was horrible wasn't it.

Amokitty

*cracks up!!!

Author376

I hate having to 'dare' to talk about canon comics... *sighs*

Author376

Max is offended that you accuse him of wait problems

Amokitty

Oh dear, Uncanny was just... horrible.

Author376

Yep, Uncanny was horrific.

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xakko

honestly, the only two who felt completely wrong to me were Scott and Piotr. Nightcrawler wasn't bad in the three panels he was in

Author376

Weight! Damn it, now I'm ridiculous too.

xakko

hi deb on the couch!

MadR

Max did get a little chunky in the Powerposse verse, heh.

melodyrider

Hi deb!

Author376

Hi deb!

MadR

Hi Deb

Amokitty

Hey Deb! Long time no see! Welcome back. :)

Author376

He doesn't like to be reminded of that verse, thank you very much!

MadR

Uncanny, it was like the writer knew nothing about any of the characters!

deb

hiya ::biggrin

Author376

I swear, these new writers don't even bother to read the old storylines about the characters that they are dealing with!

Amokitty

See, I thought Kurt was fine until he mentioned Emma. I couldn't tell if he was joking or not.

Author376

Everyone seems fine until someone mentions Emma...

Amokitty

Point.

MadR

The art wasn't that horrible. I kinda liked Emma in Scott's vision. Faintly 20s/30s look.

Author376

Scott seems more and more like a jerk, and I hate that. The art was nice, though.

Author376

I want *my* X-Men back! The ones I grew up with :(

deb

i haven't read an x-men title since kitty's been gone. I'm protesting.

Amokitty

Boobs! The overwhelming sight of BOOBS. Good grief. Terry Dodson must've been in heaven.

MadR

Oh that. Scott's a secret horndog. Deeply stupid.

xakko

but then, they did give the old "Magik" series the premiere HC treatment. so, yay!

Author376

I haven't bought one in ages, and I don't plan too, but what I see on the net is enough to convince me that the boycott is right.

Amokitty

If this keeps up Deb, Colossus or no, I'm joining your protest. It's getting bad. Very bad.

deb

fight the power ::punk

melodyrider

That is good news. Between that and Kitty Pryde and Wolverine, some of the best mini's written for the X-Men have languished for far too long without getting a collection

Author376

I have to get back and write some X-Men fanfic, I've gotten too caught up in falling a little in love with Ted Kord and Booster Gold.

MadR

I think the trick is to keep reading the 'old' comics that didn't suck. I haven't checked for a new Essential X Men in a while, and DC side I've been reading the JLI reprints (and developing a disturbing crush on Max Lord, yes.)

xakko

It's a little rough on the budget... but I've gotten those two and the God Loves, Man Kills this year

Author376

I'll have to pick up some of the big old collections... but it'll probably have to wait until I'm out of school and teaching it!

melodyrider

I had to pass on that one. I already have two copies of that story. I can't really see justifying a third, even if it is a nice edition

xakko

I had it twice too but couldn't resist. bad me

Author376

Oh well, self-control is over-rated.

MadR

oh, and Mel, I read your Zsaji essay but haven't gathered the braincells to really comment. But interesting!

xakko

I was trying to forget I had it as the backup in the "sequel"

melodyrider

Heh, well I'm sure the extras made it worth it, Xak!

melodyrider

Thanks, Rose!

xakko

I'm trying very hard to forget I own God Loves Man Kills II

melodyrider

Aren't we all?

Amokitty

Peter was completely unrecognizable and portrayed as more than a little stupid. The tattoo scene was the wake up call for the rest of the story. I fear this arc won't get any better. Wonder what tat Peter was thinking of getting? Any ideas?

melodyrider

A snowflake?

Author376

It's a really great essay on Zsaji. You make excellent points about all of the panels she was actually in, and pointing out that she didn't really do anything wrong; other than be a terrible plot device. A part of me still thinks her healing had weird side effects that she was unaware of, though.

MadR

Kitty's name in a heart, probably. That's the level of creativity we're dealin with

Amokitty

Ha! Rose I think you just nailed it.

xakko

Wolverine made that comment... twice, I think. Didn't it come up in #183 as well?

Author376

Probably something he drew that had a reference to both Kitty and Illyana. If they'd actually wanted to do something *creative* they would have had him sketching out the design for his own tatoo and Kurt finding the crumpled up paper on the pew when Piotr left.

Amokitty

376, I swear I thought the same thing!!

Author376

I think it did, but I'm not sure. Last time I got to read those issues I was borrying them from a friend in 4th grade.

melodyrider

I believe so, Xak.

Author376

BORROWING, jeeze, I can't type today.

Amokitty

Don't feel bad, 376. We all know how bad I am...

xakko

and I think CC was pushing that with the way Zsaji kept fading from Piotr's mind, and how he felt guilty about that

Author376

I think that was probably an add on, in later issues, though, the idea that Zsaji manipulated Piotr. The writers realising how bad it was, and trying to *fix* the storyline a little by explaining the weird behaviors of all the characters.

melodyrider

Thank's Author. She really was just excessively contrived, wasn't she? There's always the chance Logan was right about the side effect, but it's definitely something Zsaji can't be held responsible for

xakko

one does wonder if she could have been redeemed as a character, like Layla was

melodyrider

I suppose the only way to have known for sure is if Reed had had access to those healing cells earlier, making her redundangt and unneccesary

melodyrider

*redundant

Author376

I tried one way of explaining it in Alien Ways, but there are certainly others. If her entire culture is slightly empathic, and she was strongly empathic and her healing had side effects, how could she be blamed for not knowing that it wasn't *real*; those feelings she induced were just side effects.

Amokitty

The thing I can't get past is Zsaji dumping Johnny, and then immediately falling for Peter. Her idea of fidelity wouldn't really jive with Peter's I think.

Author376

She might be redeemable... Maybe a side arc where she saves kitty to make up for accidentally stealing Piotr all those years ago?

xakko

I think Johnny dumped her... calling her a "chippie" when she was injured

Author376

Perhaps in her society there are no monogamous relationships?

Author376

It would explain why she liked Jonny...

deb

i blame society

xakko

*shrugs* - I'd say she was as dead as you can be in Marvel comics... but that isn't saying much

Author376

*johnny*

Amokitty

Well yeah, but she dumped him in her mind quick enough. Didn't shed a tear or anything. Maybe fidelity isn't part of their culture whoever this species is.

xakko

but sacrifice is - like I had Logan point out, she gave her life for Piotr. almost gave it for Jan.

melodyrider

Possibly. I know Ben Grimm stayed on Battleworld after everyone else. Perhaps there are issues of the Thing where he gets to explore their culture more?

Author376

Well, take a pack of wolves, for example. For years scientists thought that the alpha males and females only bred with each other, and were the only ones to breed. Now we know that it's just heirarchy, they pretty much do whatever their doggy hearts desire in the breeding way... Maybe her culture was similiar? Everything for everyone, and given freely?

xakko

dunno, never read any F4 or Thing back then

melodyrider

I have a couple of issues from that period. They were pretty goofy

Author376

Ben could stay and realize that it really *was* communial living, and think that it was probably better that she didn't end up with Colossus because his little heart wouldn't have been able to take the "free love" mentality. He was better off going home to a nice girl... sort of thing.

Author376

Communism is one thing, everybody sleeping with everyone else is another.

melodyrider

One thing's sure about their culture, though. The best people to ask about it would have been Johnny or Peter, since they got to actually look inside Zsaji's mind

Amokitty

My point though, is that maybe Zsaji's idea of "love" isn't the same as Peter's. Yes, she died for him, but they lived on the equivilant of a collective farm (one of the things that drew Peter to her), so maybe she was imbued with sacrificing for others. This was simply the ultimate expression of the totality of her sacrificial abilities? ;)

Author376

Good one! It's not that she sacrifed herself to Piotr, but that she would have done it for everyone. As soon as she healed someone they "joined" her collective culture, maybe, and became part of her culture's ideals of love, which focus more on community than pair bonding?

xakko

boy we're spending a lot of time on a plot device... a testament to the depth of your research, MR

xakko

or are we that afraid of Uncanny and Manifest Destiny?

Author376

Yep, feel free to tell me to stop fooling around with ideas. My imagination runs away with me promptly every five minutes.

Amokitty

I'm a little bitter about those books, actually.

Author376

I'm afraid, I'm very afraid, and I'm not even buying those things.

melodyrider

Thanks, Xak. Good thing it was only 12 issues, because god was that story painful >.<

xakko

I thought Manifest Destiny had Piotr down fairly well, but ruined Kurt and Logan

melodyrider

How did you guys stand it when it was coming out month-by-month?

xakko

dunno. I didn't get into comics until around 190... so I missed it

melodyrider

I'm finding it very interesting that every issue of Manifest Destiny so far has slipped in a reference to Kitty being lost

xakko

my first two X-comics were Uncanny #190 and #197

Author376

I imagine it must have been like a train wreck. Something you couldn't look away from, even when you wanted to. Not that I can say I know, I wasn't born until '84, and caught up by reading my friends' old comics, most of which were also their parents.

xakko

There's a chance, dunno how good, she could get picked up in the War of the Kings... all they need to say is that the bullet went to Shi'arspace

Amokitty

What bothered me about Manifest Destiny was that Peter was again, the background. We never heard his thoughts like we did Kitty's in X-Men #110. He barely said a word the whole way through. He was merely there for everyone else to play off of.

MadR

They've really handled the whole Kitty/Piotr thing poorly. And now the banner at the kiotr lj comm just makes me sad.

Amokitty

I started collecting it during the Brood Saga. And it SUCKED for my teenaged self to wait an entire frigging month. Now with the quality so bad, it doesn't really matter. :D

Author376

There is a part of me that is so sick of this I just want to write a big fix all for it.

xakko

do it! please!

melodyrider

We all do, Author

Author376

Have Jean come back, kick Emma's butt, then leave Scott for Logan (just because, it's not a big pairing for me), and go off with Kitty and Piotr and start a new school in the midwest or something. With Beast and Kurt. Leave Emma and Scott sitting around going.

Author376

Wait, rebellion?

xakko

I was thinking I could create a story in the xakkoverse that explains her getting out of the bullet, but BoM went too far AU to bother

Amokitty

We're counting on you fanfic writers to fix things, so we can handle losing Kitty and the ridiculous aftermath.

xakko

I guess I just don't get Jean/Logan.

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melodyrider

Good thought about the War of Kings thing, by the way, Xak. It may not happen then, but it probably will happen soon

Author376

Ugh. I've got a couple of other stories to finish first. And school is rough right now.

melodyrider

Hi DS!

MadR

Hi darkstorm

Author376

Hi DS!

xakko

but I would never pair Jean with this Scott

xakko

heya DS

Amokitty

Hey Darkstorm! Glad you made it!!

darkstorm5000

Hi, all!

Author376

I don't really like Jean/Logan, either, but this Scott doesn't deserve Jean and I don't know how to fix what they've done to him!

melodyrider

Looking at the February solicits, 616 Kitty is still being featured in no less than 3 titles. That's a lot of exposure for someone they plan to just shelve for a while

xakko

I still want to know what element of Joss's run he was promised would "stick"

Amokitty

Scott confronting Peter in the chapel of all places to tell him to get over it? Disgusting. Scott already knows how horrible it is to lose someone. Was Scott's answer to losing Jean, to go out and hit something? Lame.

MadR

Did they ever clear up what happened to Cassandra Nova?

deb

you can't shelve a ninja ::ninja

Author376

I know!

Author376

LOL!!!

xakko

Scott's general response to losing Jean is to hook up with someone else... Colleen Wing, Lee Forrester, Emma...

melodyrider

Same here, Xak. Although could live with never knowing if he had simply closed all the loose threads he left behind

Amokitty

Ninja Deb. Haven't seen you in a while! ;)

Author376

Oooh, Cassandra Nova infested Scott's brain! That's why he's an ass!

xakko

he's been an ass since before Morrison, really

Amokitty

Nova has never been resolved as of yet, Rose.

MadR

Fanfic 101: when in doubt, mind control! Worked for fixing Murderous Max.

xakko

it's just gotten really, really bad

deb

that's cause I'm stelthy

Author376

Yeah, well, good idea for crack fic...

melodyrider

Heh, Scott's answer to losing Jean was to hang out with Colleen Wing, Madelyn Pryor and Emma Frost :)

melodyrider

And Lee

Amokitty

Bobby's answer apparently is go get laid by a hooker. I was stunned.

Author376

Yes, Scott does seem to jump ship rather quickly, as it were.

xakko

Maddie was different... she came after Lee

Author376

Bobby/Hooker? WTF?

Author376

What did I miss?

melodyrider

A very bad story best ignored, Author

deb

we need comic book writers with better social skills

xakko

that was Bobby's advice to Peter to "get over Kitty"

deb

i still blame society

MadR

I think Bobby was supposed to be comic relief/

xakko

and I felt horrible for Iceman fans

Author376

We are not amused.

melodyrider

I haven't even told Sue about that issue. She'd be horrified

Amokitty

I blame Marvel and their 'we don't give a crap' attitude.

Author376

But now I'v got this terrible plot bunny...

xakko

good call. tho' you may want to prepare her. Or give her a copy with those two panels blacked out

Amokitty

In both stories everyone was so out of character, it seemed like a joke.

MadR

or cribbed from bad fanfic/

melodyrider

Which is a shame, because Hank's mistake was a fairly decent one, as far as that story went

MadR

376! Bunny...a cute name ending in Y. Would your mom name the kitten Bunny?

Author376

Bobby supposedly takes a protesting Piotr out to find a hooker, but instead he's taking him to where Kitty really is. She did get out of the bullet, but wanted away from Emma and Scott's ridiculous reboot of the X-Men so she's now officially dead...

Amokitty

I admit it was funny, but it's weird seeing Peter's grief played for laughs.

Author376

Wait, name the kitty bunny? Hmm, I'll ask tomorrow, that may be it!

Amokitty

Peter should have hit Bobby in the face.

melodyrider

He was about to, it looked like

xakko

the only "X-men" I can ever think might make that comment would be Juggernaut or Sabretooth.

MadR

okay, I hate to chat and run but the pain pill's kicking in and I have to go before I faceplant.

xakko

possibly Rockslide. but he'd already been played for laughs elsewhere

Author376

Piotr should. Then, when Bobby wakes up, he can say it's good for his cover anyway. This explains why Piotr left without anyone knowing about Kitty... "But jeeze, did you have to armor up first?". Kitty can hit him next because, "It was not funny, Bobby, I told you to be sensitive!"

Amokitty

I guess it proves that not only is Peter being portrayed like a buffoon - Bobby is too. No one has a decent handle on these characters...

MadR

Wish I felt better and could have stayed longer.

xakko

awwww... *hugs* Rose

Author376

Bye MadR!

melodyrider

Feel Better, Rose!

Author376

*Hugs* too!

xakko

sorry you can't stay, but your health is important

Amokitty

Thank you for coming, Rose!! :)

MadR

G'night all. It was nice chatting.

deb

night

Amokitty

good night!

Author376

good night!

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Amokitty

I hope she gets better soon. Very nice of her to stay as long as she did.

Author376

I do too, I know it's all rough for her right now.

xakko

have we vented enough?

Amokitty

Even in Lovelorn, the only thoughts we are privy too with Peter's grief for Kitty is "Katya, Katya, Katya" - and then he says, "food!" like the moron they've made him to be.

Author376

I hate that.

Author376

I really, really, really, hate that.

darkstorm5000

Like he's Homer Simpson, or something.

xakko

'cause we already missed the opportunity to ask Rose what, if any, X-fanfic she might have on her plate - althought, with her health issues, I don't know if she'll be able to get to them

Amokitty

I'm not quite done bitching cause this is probably the worst issue of Uncanny I've ever read! ;)

xakko

and you've read all of Austen, too! ;)

Author376

Okay, anyone else want to talk about fic, they've got up they're sleeves?

xakko

you mentioned you have a couple plotbunnies, 376?

Author376

I always have plotbunnies. I never get to all of them, but I never have less than five or six floating around my head at any one time.

melodyrider

Peter's a very deep person, and it would have been nice to see them reflect that instead of the dialogue they gave him, definitely

Amokitty

I know that's saying something, Xak. Truly. But Fraction has made Peter into an imbecile. It saddens me no end...

xakko

I'm totally going to steal your imagination one day, 376

Author376

It's terrible to see a deep, meaningful, character so reduced. *nods*

xakko

once I get through the scenes in my head, I'm going to have a major struggle with the Piotr in Hufflepuff to keep the plot moving

Author376

Hey, if you want it, I could send you a file from my plotbunnies folder sometime? It's got about 50 pages of paragraph long plotbunny outlines in it. Mostly Kiotr, Ted Kord, and Hermione/Viktor Krum.

Author376

Piotr is a natural farmer with big brother impulses. He could take Neville under his wing and prevent people from bullying him? It would draw him into the group.

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Author376

Oh, byes or just a hiccup?

xakko

I may take you up on that.

Author376

The plotbunny folder?

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Amokitty

Mel would never leave without saying goodbye. He'll be back. :)

Author376

HI Turtle!

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theoddlittleturtle

hi!

melodyrider

Whoops. That was weird

Author376

Hi, MR!

xakko

part of them... althought the Winter Ball will be in Kitty's section, so any Hermione/Krum will be at a distance

melodyrider

Hi Turtle!

Amokitty

Welcome Turtle!!

darkstorm5000

Hi Turtle!

xakko

hiya turtle! re-hi, MR

theoddlittleturtle

how's everyone?

Amokitty

We're happy you're here that's what!

Amokitty

:)

theoddlittleturtle

:)

xakko

not too bad. well, we've been discussing Uncanny, so we aren't as happy as we might be

theoddlittleturtle

oh eww

Author376

Well, tell me what you want, Xakko, and I'll eventually put it together to send it to you. It may take me a while, since it's on disc and I didn't just transfer it to my new laptop.

xakko

really, the Ball's right at the transition of Illyana to Kitty section

theoddlittleturtle

how about manifest destiny? heh

Author376

I think the "eww"s have it.

Amokitty

I thought Kitty's section was Spring??

Author376

That's neat, I like the idea of Illyana and Kitty's thoughts on the ball.

xakko

well, yes and no... I have the four houses represent the four seasons, but breaking up the Hogwarts year into 4 pieces, the winter ball ends up on the cusp

Amokitty

Manifest Destiny was funny, and stupid all at the same time! Imagine that! Poor Peter can't get a break. Even his grief gets made fun of. Thank goodness they didn't do that with Kitty.

Author376

That's a really cool way of dividing the story. I love the new angle.

theoddlittleturtle

i thought so too... but the ending... i got the sniffles in the comic store... heh

xakko

Piotr gets up to the Goblet of Fire, Illyana is after that through the Winter Ball, with the First Task. Kitty's got the Winter Ball through the Second Task, and Rachel gets the Third Task

melodyrider

Cool idea, Xakko. Which House is going to be Summer?

melodyrider

And there's my answer :)

xakko

Gryffindor

xakko

representing Fire

Author376

Gyrffindor really works with summer... yep, I was just about to say something about fire colors.

xakko

Hufflepuff = Earth = Autumn = Colossus

Amokitty

The ending in Manifest Destiny was a bit cheesy I thought, but at least in character for Peter.

Author376

Cool imagery!

xakko

Slytherin = Water (Ice) = Winter = Illyana

xakko

Ravenclaw = Air = Spring = Shadowcat

Amokitty

Thaks for explaining, Xak.

theoddlittleturtle

heh... I cry over spilt milk... :)

Author376

With what Milk costs now, who wouldn't?

theoddlittleturtle

ROFL

Author376

:)

deb

you need a sippy cup. no spills

Author376

Yay for sippy cups.

melodyrider

The sad think is, Milk costs less than a comic >.<

xakko

gah, yes

Amokitty

Turtle, it was the best scene with Peter in many months of drivel. If only the rest of the book could have been a bit more serious like its ending.

Author376

I know, that's terrible. The reason why comics got so big during the depression and ww2 and just after was that everyone could afford them.

xakko

Loa and Blindfold with the Twitter was cute, tho'

melodyrider

*nods* I liked the last page. I just wanted someone to be there and say, "Go, then. Rescue Kitty. What are you waiting for?"

theoddlittleturtle

it also depends on the comic - I got a grab bag for $1.00 and ended up with most of the Mekanix limited series this go around :)

Author376

Yeah, but usually you can't find new things in the grab bags.

Author376

Not big Marvel or DC stuff anyway.

melodyrider

Nope. And at this rate I'm probably going to have to drop a lot of titles

Amokitty

If they wanted to focus on Peter rather than the X-kids, than a talk with Kurt and Ororo would've done wonders for his healing process. Bah. I'm just sour grapes now. What can I say?

theoddlittleturtle

new? I'm trying to build up my old stuff- I lost most of it in my many moves

theoddlittleturtle

I hit the 49 cent bins all the time

Author376

I'm still toying with the Pirate Kitty fixit. Where Kitty is rescued by a band of pirates who want to use the ore from the magic bullet and end up saving her by accident. Then she joins them for a while, runs into the X-Men and Piotr and wonders why they didn't come rescue her.

Amokitty

Turtle, you scored BIG. MekaniX is difficult and pricey to find. What a deal!

theoddlittleturtle

:)

melodyrider

Turtle, one thing that works out great for me is to draw up a list of everything you're missing and wait for a convention. You can get some real steals that way

xakko

you can say you were somehow legally wronged by Joe Quesada and are going to sue him for control of MArvel!

Author376

:) lol

theoddlittleturtle

That sounds cool Author

theoddlittleturtle

much angst?

xakko

well, you get better conventions than we do, MR. ours are horrible.

theoddlittleturtle

Oh, convention... I haven't been to one of those in years...

xakko

we need to get to Chicago or Texas

Author376

Thanks! I think it would focus on Kitty trying to find out how to get home, and not realizing that they weren't looking, then maybe she runs into them, thinks that's why they are out there, finds out they weren't and gets mad... but then it turns into a more humorous thing. Not much angst.

Amokitty

I still wish there was a way for us all to meet in person. *sigh*

melodyrider

Really? I'm surprised. Portland's only major relation to comics is Dark Horse. Other than that, it's piddly compared to San Diego or Chicago

Author376

Piotr actually fabricated the alien threat that sent Brand into overdrive and sent the X-Men into space. He wanted to look for Kitty. He was leading them around by their nose the entire time to get to her.

Amokitty

Seattle has a pretty decent annual con. But that's about it.

xakko

Buffalo is the armpit of Comic Cons

deb

yay! we suck.

Author376

Unless you go to Indianapolis or Cincinatti you can't find anything near where I live, and both are about 3 hours away.

deb

we out suck your city

xakko

Pittsburgh's supposed to be OK, I hear

Author376

I'm sure you do.

Amokitty

LOL. Mark is always saying that Sacremento is the armpit of California. too funny.

melodyrider

hehehehehehe deb :)

darkstorm5000

As far as Texas, all of the major action must be north of me.

Author376

Kentucky is just... Kentucky.

xakko

We were thinking of Wizard World Texas

Amokitty

I thought Dallas had a Wizard World con?

Amokitty

Yeah that!

Amokitty

Jinxed again!!

xakko

our friend Sandra really wants us to go to a con with her

xakko

I've been to Sacramento. It wasn't too bad, compared to here

theoddlittleturtle

I've only lived in KY for 2 years - but when I was in Alabama, there was a mini one in Pensacola, FL (only 40 mins from me) and, I being easily amused, enjoyed it

theoddlittleturtle

There was a mini one in Abilene

theoddlittleturtle

oops hit enter - TX when I was a teen and my aunt took me, also easily amused

Author376

Florida has some good ones, actually. They're usually in Jacksonville (where I am originally from), Orlando, Miami, or Daytona, but they're usually worth going to.

theoddlittleturtle

If I venture Florida way, hubby will drag me through disney again...

theoddlittleturtle

heh

melodyrider

Heh, Disney's not so bad :)

Amokitty

I'd LOVE to go to Disney World. I wouldn't have to be dragged!

deb

we liked universal studios better

Author376

Heh, when I was 13 me and a few friends dressed up to go to a con in Orlando, but when we got there they weren't letting anyone else in. We ended up in a tent with a bunch of college age nerds, mostly guys, who were really sweet. I don't mean creepy sweet, I mean, they treated us like people and talked comics and when our group got picked up by one of our friends moms' they gave us directions so that we could take short cut out of the crazy parking area.

xakko

we liked Disney tho'

deb

disney was good to though

xakko

(almost jinxed with Deb)

Author376

Disney is wonderful fun, but way overpriced now.

theoddlittleturtle

I used to work for the company - lil bit tired of it...

deb

yeah jinx

xakko

I can see that

Author376

I had a lot of relatives who worked there, and they used to tell the best horror stories. I had a cousin who caught alligators there.

deb

i've had aligator. it tastes like tough chiken

Amokitty

Hell, I'd be thrilled to go back to Disneyland. I've only been there once before.

Author376

Yes, it does, but it's not that tough if you cook it right. Most of the places just fry it. You have to tenderize it first, and it's best to soak it in something vinagery to soften it up.

Amokitty

Deb is right. It's like chicken but a little chewier.

deb

i had it fried

Author376

Yep, it's good fried, but it makes it tougher unless you really prepare it first. Then again, everything down south is fried anyway.

xakko

CB Cebulski does the intro to the Magik HC

theoddlittleturtle

Aligator? Prefer frog legs

deb

even the twinkies. what's with that

Author376

Poor Frogs!

Author376

Poor alligators for that matter.

theoddlittleturtle

nummy

deb

yummy

deb

near jinxs

theoddlittleturtle

woo!

melodyrider

That sounds fun, Xak. Did he do it humor strip style, like the intro to the KP&W HC?

xakko

no other special feature that I see in a quick browse

Author376

Never could eat frogs, used to play with them as a kid. Too much like eathing a cat.

Amokitty

What in the hell is it with Cebulski and Magik anyway? You'd think she was his creation or something.... Ugh.

Author376

Can't eat someone's pet.

deb

i've had rabbit. it was good

deb

i have guilt though

theoddlittleturtle

lol

Author376

Yes, rabbit is good, the frog aversain is just me.

deb

puff's staring at me now

deb

i think she knows ::blink

Author376

With huge brown eyes that just ask, "Why?" "How could you?"

Amokitty

Poor princess if no doubt offended by the thought of relatives that wound up on the dinner plate!

theoddlittleturtle

I've never had rabbit - poor bunny

Author376

I've had pigeon pie, and liked it.

xakko

no, MR... just talks about his first experience with the series, how he skipped the first issue because he didn't like the cover

deb

now that i have one as a pet i couldn't

theoddlittleturtle

exotic foods are fun - it grosses out the friends who dine with us

deb

rats with wings pie. yummy

Author376

If you are seeking to gross out a friend, make sure they aren't from Hong Kong.

xakko

Puff... does NOT like the smell of leather, apparently

melodyrider

Hmm, not as engaging an approach as I'd have liked, it sounds like

deb

yeah my jacket scarred her today

deb

scared not scared. can't spell

theoddlittleturtle

brb - gotta grab my new 49 cent finds - can't remember the numbers

Amokitty

Xak: Cebulski didn't buy Magik #1 because of the Buscema cover?? Oh geez.... If he can't bother to read them, well then that explains everything! LOL.

Author376

Actually pigeon pie is an old German dish, very common in Europe where they actually raise them like chicken for food.

deb

very small chickens

Author376

About the same size as quail.

deb

look out chaney's gettin' his gun

Author376

Actually a pigeon, the breeds they eat, can get fairly big.

Amokitty

Duck and run for cover!

Author376

Beware the drunk vice president and his shot gun!

xakko

he said he was twelve, and the cover with oddly dressed X_men didn't jump out at him

deb

burt will never forgive you

Author376

Don't yell duck!

deb

eatin' the pidgen

xakko

Bert would not approve

deb

eatin' the pidgeon

theoddlittleturtle

back

Author376

I hope it's a good pidgeon!

deb

wow I really can't type tonight

deb

quack

Author376

:)

Amokitty

Tom Palmer did a less than great job inking that cover as I recall. But a Claremont X-story is a Claremont X-story. And Ex Infernus won't do the original mini justice I fear.

deb

::coffee I'm getting a cuppa tea. brb

theoddlittleturtle

I'm kind of looking forward to Ex Infernus but dreading it at the same time

Author376

Guys, I hate to leave, but it's 12:30 here, and I have to be up tomorrow morning, so I've got to say good night.

Author376

So I'm saying, "Good Night!"

xakko

g'nite 376!

xakko

nice to see you!

melodyrider

I'm a little nervous about what they're planning to do with Ex Infernus, but I'm going to give it a chance anyway

Amokitty

Deb and her tea. :) I'm thinking of getting some Chinese flower blossom tea. You put the tea in the pot and a literal flower blooms in it!

melodyrider

Bye, Author!

Author376

Bye!

theoddlittleturtle

good night Author!

darkstorm5000

good night 376!

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Amokitty

Thank you 376 for stopping by!!

Amokitty

Darn it! I always end up missing out on the goodbyes!!!  :(

xakko

deb says that she saw that tea, but thought she might be allergic, since it's a flower

xakko

darn the luck. I have a feeling 376 will be very helpful in the coming months

Amokitty

That tea looks amazing though!

deb

i'm allergic to nature

Amokitty

Sorry!!

xakko

she just says that so she doesn't have to mow the lawn... ;)

deb

i'm used to it

Amokitty

LOL.

theoddlittleturtle

lol

deb

it didn't go well when i tried to do the lawn

deb

I got stuck inna hole

deb

it amused the neighbors when i took a run at it to get it out

Amokitty

376 and Rose left fairly early tonight, darn it. I was hoping to get in a few questions on Harry Potter and the Runaway Bride… *sigh*

melodyrider

Gah! Holes are nasty when you're mowing the lawn

deb

i noticed

xakko

I've never had a problem with them. :p

deb

yeah well your not 5 foot tall

xakko

this is true

theoddlittleturtle

i boobooed and misread the 10:30 as my time heh

Amokitty

You can disable the time stamp on the options tag near the top of the page if you'd like Turtle.

theoddlittleturtle

Oh, no - on the kiotr site - i had 10:30 in my head so when I logged on at what I thought was only 30 minutes late, it turned out that it was an hour and a half late

Amokitty

Ah! I see. :)

xakko

we're glad you showed

Amokitty

We sure are. :D

melodyrider

*nods8 Definitely

theoddlittleturtle

We had a late dinner so well thanks :)

Amokitty

Any predictions regarding Ex Infernus next month? You KNOW we'll end up chatting about it!

xakko

i think we end up with Illyana back

Amokitty

I predict that Illyana goes King Kong in San Francisco and eats Chinatown! You heard it here first!

theoddlittleturtle

I'm not sure what to expect - I missed Quest for Magik

xakko

and I suppose I should be glad of that

melodyrider

hehehehhehe

theoddlittleturtle

LOL

xakko

you didn't really miss "Quest for Magik", IMO

theoddlittleturtle

not savvy on netspeak - IMO?

Amokitty

Quest for Magik didn't really involve Illyana so much as Pixie, really.

xakko

"In My Opinion"

theoddlittleturtle

thanks *blushes*

melodyrider

Quest for Magik was a rotten story, and probably an optional read even if Ex Infernus really does bring Illyana back

Amokitty

Don't feel bad, turtle. I have to go to Urban Dictionary.com to look these things up.

darkstorm5000

I thought I was the only one!

Amokitty

heh. :D

theoddlittleturtle

Oh good :)

xakko

sometimes I feel like an old hat, given I was internet chatting before I had access to the web

melodyrider

Although Sue forced herself to read it as we were doing research for Deliverance

theoddlittleturtle

which is great btw

melodyrider

Thanks!

Amokitty

I hear that Illyana will somehow regain the soulsword from Kurt. Why he ever had it int he first place is beyond me. Initially it belonged only to Illyana and Kitty.

xakko

I did the same, MR, to make sure there was no concordances with Book of Magik that people will think I plagiarized them

theoddlittleturtle

Excalibur stuff... darn it - I knew I should have gotten more books this time around heh

xakko

well, Dr. Doom had it, and... er, that one demon guy... then after the Soulsword Trilogy Amanda took it

melodyrider

*nods* I don't think there's much chance anyone will confuse you're story with Kyle and Yost's though. You made yours pretty distinct

melodyrider

*nods* Lobdell really made some weird decisions about the nature of the soulsword

xakko

well, I did use their New X-men... briefly

melodyrider

And then Ben Raab made it worse

theoddlittleturtle

now I'm totally scared to read Ex Infernus

theoddlittleturtle

lol

xakko

I got a bit confused at where Aquirre-Sacasa (sp?) was going with that

Amokitty

Oh yes, the soulsword has wound up being Everybody's plaything. Don't you love it when writers contradict continuity and never bother to explain it?

xakko

there is an article on the "two swords" theory

xakko

i lost the link in the computer issues

theoddlittleturtle

I was planning on making the soulsword an intricate part of Illyana and also Limbo for next part of Warrior

Amokitty

Let's not forget that Austen gave one to Warren, too!

melodyrider

Are you talking about the section in the online X-Men faq, Xak?

melodyrider

The Exiles soulsword!

xakko

oh, yeah, but they touched on that in the letters column...

xakko

that's probably where I first got it from, thanks, MR

xakko

I don't think Exiles Illyana ever used her soulsword to disrupt magic, did she?

Amokitty

Well Turtle, that was always supposed to be the theory with Illyana per Claremont. At least you're sticking with the original intent.

theoddlittleturtle

I recently acquired New Mutants 73 for research

Amokitty

I'm trying to remember, Xak. Illyana didn't use her magical skills much if at all. Austen focused on her teleportation, and her vile personality, I think.

melodyrider

I'm not sure, Xak. I never really read Exiles. I've heard their Yana was a very wicked person, though

darkstorm5000

Yeah, Very!

xakko

she was a villain, definitely. what she did to one of the analog's of her brother was scary

Amokitty

It was incredibly funny how Angel "tricked" the soulsword away from Illyana. As if!

theoddlittleturtle

heh, so much for AU - LOL

theoddlittleturtle

ooo, xak, that sounds intriguing - do you know the issue number?

xakko

I'd have to look it up - I got Exiles in trade

theoddlittleturtle

oh, ok

melodyrider

I think I found that article you were talking about, Xak. This one? http://www.cuug.ab.ca/lapierrs/creative/comics/2ssword.html

Amokitty

Off the top of my head, I think it was Exiles #20 something. Late 20's to early 40's??? I'd have to go to Uncannyxmen.net to look it up for sure.

theoddlittleturtle

I wonder if Ex Infernus will turn Illyana into a villain for sure?

theoddlittleturtle

She would make a pretty cool one - if nothing else

xakko

Exiles #26-27, turtle

melodyrider

It might, which would make me sad

theoddlittleturtle

thanks

melodyrider

But yeah, she has the potential to be an effective and scary villain

xakko

that's the one, MR, thanks

Amokitty

Good question, Turtle. I think there's a good chance of that happening for now. then we'll get another angst filled mini with Illyana's redemption.

xakko

Sue wrote her very convincingly as one in that one story

xakko

I still wish she'd gotten that in on time

melodyrider

Definitely. That would have been a big contender for my vote that week if she had

Amokitty

Thanks for the link, Mel. I think it'll make for interesting reading.

theoddlittleturtle

oh that was an awesome little ditty by sue

theoddlittleturtle

i'm glad she posted that one even if it was late

xakko

I was trying to use some of the elements of the 2 swords theory in BoM, but got lost along the way

xakko

I never got around to fully retconning "The Draco" either

theoddlittleturtle

BoM was awesome anyway :)

Amokitty

I've heard that the Colossus and Hulk throwdown is set in the past, and Sprite could possibly be in it. At least that would be Wolverine first Class written on a better level. Of course with the news that Van Lente is leaving with #12, I think the book will flounder and be cancelled in short order.

xakko

thx ::blush

theoddlittleturtle

may be it ties into the spiderman/x-men thingy they've got going/going to have...

theoddlittleturtle

with some first class crossover?

xakko

per CC, the Colossus vs Hulk is between 150-175

Amokitty

I peeked at the spider-Man/ X-Men x-over, and it was set during the original five's past. When Jean was still marvel Girl, and Beast looked human.

theoddlittleturtle

i could have sworn i saw sprite on the cover of one of them...

xakko

not that Spidey and the X-men didn't have quite a few run ins

theoddlittleturtle

confused... don't mind me

melodyrider

They're transitioning through every major era of the X-Men with the Spider-man/X-men mini. The last issue will have the Astonishing team, it looks like

Amokitty

What I want to know is, is the Colossus/Hulk X-over an old story finally getting published, or is it a new one from CC that's being set in the past?

theoddlittleturtle

now i smell a retconn ;)

Amokitty

Thanks for the info, Mel.

xakko

it's sort of what Dan Slott did with Spidey and the Human Torch in "I'm With Stupid"

xakko

which was such a great mini

deb

bestest mini ever ::biggrin

Amokitty

Has anyone heard who Wolverine first Class' new writer is? Or is it getting a new writer at all?

xakko

I woudln't go that far. I wouldn't even say it's Slott's best

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deb

but it's spidey and funny

melodyrider

I haven't heard anything, but I'm going to miss Van Lente. His stories were fun

xakko

yes - it's, er, Skottie Young

theoddlittleturtle

darn it... hit the wrong x

xakko

er, maybe not

melodyrider

I thought Skottie Young was taking over Young X-Men?

xakko

GLA: misassembled was funny too and had Squirrel Girl

Amokitty

I really disliked Van Lente's last two stories. Too many mistakes, and it felt too contrived. I loved seeing the Super Soldiers though!

xakko

that's what I was mistaking it for, MR.

Amokitty

Carmen Pryde will show up in Wolvie 1st class soon, and at first glance, it looks as though he's on the bad side again. Carmen and werewolves. Weird.

theoddlittleturtle

i'm not sure if I like the characterization of kitty being as jealous as she's being portrayed, but the stories are fun

xakko

I have to say... if it was meant to be canon, I think Carmen Pryde serving with Xavier in Korea was CC's worst retcon ever

melodyrider

Exactly, tutle, and with fun titles being in such short supply, WFC is a real treasure, especially since it counts as continuity

melodyrider

*turtle

Amokitty

She gets a little hysterical on the jealousy thing, but there is some precedent in canon. Dazzler #1, Uncanny #159 and Harmony Young, and let's not forget the Teen Titans' Starfire…

theoddlittleturtle

true and she's only 13

theoddlittleturtle

boy i'm glad i'm not 13

theoddlittleturtle

boys boys boys

xakko

amen to that

theoddlittleturtle

oy vey

deb

once was way more then enough

Amokitty

I thought it was Vietnam, but same difference. Charles and Carmen going waaaay back? In Uncanny #129 they sure seemed liked they never met before! Stupid retcon - I totally agree.

melodyrider

Yeah, the mysterious lack of recognition is strange. Even more so since Claremont wrote both stories

xakko

it may have been, but I thought Chuck fought in Vietnam - although that may have sliding time scaled into an unnames conflict in southeast Asia

theoddlittleturtle

i thought he was in Korea...

theoddlittleturtle

which would make him nearly 80 now

melodyrider

All I can think is that somehow Emma tampered with the memories when she came to visit the Prydes first, but that's a reach as far as no-prize explanations go

Amokitty

I know that originally charles and Cain served in Korea, but that's been changed too.

theoddlittleturtle

that works for me

melodyrider

It would, however, explain why Xavier felt the need to be in that group instead of the one that went to investigate Dazzler

xakko

yeah, let's let the sliding time scale make his "love" for Jean as less creepy as possible

Amokitty

True.

theoddlittleturtle

eww

xakko

not that the creepiness can be lessed much

Amokitty

And to think people freak out over the Kitty and Peter age issue? Try a student /teacher relationship, folks!

theoddlittleturtle

heh

melodyrider

Meh. Kitty almost got married twice at 14 to other guys. I think the people freaking out about the age issue are a minority who just like to scream very loud

theoddlittleturtle

A friend of mine dated a 21 year old when we were 13... it creeped me out because i thought he was OLD...

Amokitty

Reading Van Lente's recent response on the Kiotr age issue, was disappointing. He obviously doesn't get it. NOTHING happened. Claremont never intended Peter to be less than honorable, and the Comic Code certainly wouldn't! Why is this so hard for people to understand?

theoddlittleturtle

'squeaky wheel gets the grease' - quick, we must squeak extra loudly for Kitty's return!

theoddlittleturtle

with extra effort to the return in one piece part

Amokitty

After that interview, it's plain to see that there will never be any Kiotr whatsoever in Wolverine First Class. Sad.

theoddlittleturtle

pouts

theoddlittleturtle

but that's okay, van lente only has a few more books to go

Amokitty

Yes, but will Wolverine First Class survive Van Lente's departure?

melodyrider

We'll find out when the March solicits are announced, I suppose

melodyrider

It's been selling much better than X-men First Class, so at least that's a good sign

theoddlittleturtle

only because wolverine's in it...

xakko

y'know, the part of "Quest for Magik" that bothered me most was that it was just the wrong cast to bring Illyana back... I mean, the New X-men? Look at "Deliverance" - Pete Wisdom, Emma and Illyana - those are people with a vested interest in rescuing Kitty. But Kyle and Yost just wanted another chance for their kids to take down a major X-men bad ass

theoddlittleturtle

not that I don't not like wolverine... but I swear, he really knows how to take over a story!!

xakko

he DOES

xakko

I wonder if the Marvel writers are just sitting around, trying to brainstorm, and then the old canucklehead just forces himself into their imaginations

melodyrider

I could have lived with Kyle and Yost focusing the story on the title characters, but to turn the story into an excuse to hand out power upgrades like they were lolipops was just stupid. How about letting the kids Earn those new powers?

theoddlittleturtle

with claws and berserker glee....

Amokitty

They can do whatever they want because they're in Hollywood.

xakko

I'm just wondering if I can keep Logan out of the HP xover

Amokitty

It's all about THEIR characters, not anyone else's.

theoddlittleturtle

LOL

melodyrider

Sure you can. Suppose Adamantium and Rowling magic don't agree with each other

theoddlittleturtle

wasn't he supposed to not be in Limbo? ;)

Amokitty

Have Logan vacation in the Canadian Rockies! Or Japan! Or Madripoor!

xakko

"And then, as Voldemort emerged from the stone cauldron, there was a streak of silver, and his newly reconstituted head was severed neatly from his newly regenerated body"

theoddlittleturtle

woo!

Amokitty

The End.

Amokitty

ha!

xakko

I didn't have any plans for Logan past the first couple chapters. But Logan/Wisdom was one part that the reviewers kept clamoring for

xakko

and were some of the easiest scenes to write, I thought

Amokitty

Their humor gave the story just enough levity to keep it from getting TOO dark and serious.

theoddlittleturtle

whenever I write logan I always end up making him a grouchy old man for some reason...

Amokitty

Well isn't he?

theoddlittleturtle

I agree with Amokitty

theoddlittleturtle

ha!

xakko

and once that happened - the idea that they missed the final battle and had to wait for pick up was too good to pass up, but then I felt they needed to get their own ending as well

Amokitty

I agree with Turtle!

theoddlittleturtle

I think so... he needs a lawn to tell people to stay off of

darkstorm5000

LOL!

xakko

I do like CC/Miller honorable Wolvie. I didn't care much for the character until I read that

deb

mow my lawn.....then get off it

theoddlittleturtle

LOL

Amokitty

He was fairly one dimensional before that. I liked the insight into his relationship with Mariko.

theoddlittleturtle

my very first x book was a wolverine book

darkstorm5000

"Step one foot on it, bub, just one..."

Amokitty

LOL!!

theoddlittleturtle

snikt!

theoddlittleturtle

grass mowed

xakko

they'd been giving him moments - like when he was attached by Mac as Weapon Alpha, the idea that he "hunted" by getting close enough to touch the deer

melodyrider

Logan's one of those characters who's been presented in so many different lights, it's easier to cast him in a way that's clearly wrong than in a way that's clearly right

melodyrider

*nods* That was a great conversation he had with Ororo, Xak. One of my favorite Logan moments

deb

nothing runs like a deer

theoddlittleturtle

john deer?

xakko

now you've named it. no more venison for you!

deb

yup

theoddlittleturtle

lol blech anyway

Amokitty

But then right after that conversation Logan pops the claws and threatens Ororo in Uncanny #142. So he still needed some work.. ;)

deb

we can't mow the lawn anywway. the snows in the way

Amokitty

OMG. You have snow?

theoddlittleturtle

already?

xakko

yeah, but they were making him more than the berzerker. that was Byrne, right?

deb

just a dustung

xakko

we have a trace of snow.

deb

dusting

Amokitty

Yep. :)

xakko

in ski country, they got hammered

deb

4 feet now i think there

theoddlittleturtle

we had flurries last night, but i'm not looking forward to this year - almanac says its gonna be harsh for us this year

deb

necer got the hang of stopping with the skis

Amokitty

We started getting decent amounts of snow in the mountains last month, but have yet to see a flake where i live.

deb

down the hill i got but not stop

Amokitty

I'd kill myself on skis. :(

theoddlittleturtle

me too!

deb

i was glad and suprised that i didn't

deb

too expensive as a hobby anyway

theoddlittleturtle

Diodsj

theoddlittleturtle

oy darn cat

theoddlittleturtle

Sorry

darkstorm5000

If we see even a trace of snow down here, it's like a state of emergency is declared

Amokitty

You're in Texas, right?

darkstorm5000

Yep, Southern part

deb

i thought it was all southern there ::smile

xakko

it's actually gotten kinda paranoid here - we've had a couple weather events the past five years or so, and now whenever the forecasters predict heavy lake effect snow, they start closing schools

deb

and stocking up on food....yeah

Amokitty

That would be verrrry surprising to see you guys get snow.

darkstorm5000

Texas is big enough that we could have a north and south part, and it logically make sense

Amokitty

It IS a republic after all! ;)

theoddlittleturtle

and west... don't forget west! lol

deb

yeah it's definately big

Amokitty

they make EVERYTHING big in Texas!

darkstorm5000

It's been over 20 years since we've had anything more than a couple of inches

theoddlittleturtle

Lol

Amokitty

All you really have to worry about is hurricanes. ;)

deb

i'll stick with snow days and no other worries

theoddlittleturtle

ugh... so glad to be out of the deep south...

deb

i get to stay home from work and read a book

darkstorm5000

And tornadoes(from the hurricanes, usually)

deb

yay snow days

deb

they usually don't get people killed

xakko

lucky snow day getter

Amokitty

I'll never miss the tornados. Living in tornado alley as long as I did was awful.

deb

oh, and the hot chocolate

Amokitty

And the tea!!!

deb

that's good too

deb

yeah

theoddlittleturtle

y'all are making me thirsty lol

theoddlittleturtle

brb

Amokitty

heh.

darkstorm5000

At least were far enough inland that it doesn't affect us too often. Just that when it does, IT DOES

deb

pavlovian

deb

i can't spell at 1:30 in the morning

deb

or any other time

Amokitty

It doesn't even have to be a hurricane to level everything in sight. A tropical storm can do that nicely too.

darkstorm5000

True!

deb

palm trees don't hit me on a snow day

deb

oh and the south has scary big bugs

Amokitty

I can't spell no matter WHAT time it is, and look how gracious everybody is about it! Thank goodness. :)

deb

i hate bugs

theoddlittleturtle

back

xakko

karma killer

deb

SPLAT

theoddlittleturtle

yeah, but spiders live inside during the snow days

theoddlittleturtle

*shudders*

deb

SPLAT not any more

Amokitty

And don't forget the rattlesnakes. I'll never forget seeing one slither intot he house from my kitchen door....

theoddlittleturtle

and creepy crickets

deb

::ohmy

theoddlittleturtle

rattlesnakes! ack!!

Amokitty

and then having to plug up the snake holes in my backyard so my dogs would be safe.

deb

i like it here where it's cold thank you

theoddlittleturtle

only think i miss is the beach...

theoddlittleturtle

*thing

deb

that's what vacations are for

xakko

oh, you would totally move to a warmer climate had you the money.

theoddlittleturtle

vacation? what's pray tell is that??

Amokitty

It's definitely what hawaii is for!

deb

in the winter yeah

xakko

you hate being cold

theoddlittleturtle

i used to live in gulf shores

melodyrider

I will admit it's kind of nice to be three hours away from the beach, the mountains or the desert depending on which direction you drive :)

deb

blankets and a warm husband. not a problem

Amokitty

I totally agree, Mel. It's damn convenient to live here.

deb

that does seem like a good location

theoddlittleturtle

agreed

Amokitty

Now if we didn't have to worry about earthquakes....  ;)

deb

why would you want to go to a desert?

theoddlittleturtle

nice tan?

deb

i don't tan

xakko

mountains are VERY cool

xakko

*sigh*

deb

i do like mountians

Amokitty

Oh, Deb! the desert is beautiful!! Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous.

theoddlittleturtle

er, nice lobster impersonations?

deb

i went to white sands during a full moon that was cool

deb

yeah. i burn

Amokitty

Xak showed the pics from your vacation, Deb! Didn't you boogie board inthe sand??

deb

we went sledding

Amokitty

Jinx!

deb

it was slower then snow sledding

Amokitty

heh, heh.

deb

::biggrin

deb

slower is good for sledding i have a video of me holding a camera and wiping out in the snow here

Amokitty

If you avoid the desert in summer, the rest of the time is perfect, and serene, and lovely.

deb

it was fun

deb

i don't do well in heat

deb

i get toasty and pass out easily

Amokitty

Me neither. which is why it kinda sucked being in Vegas two months ago. It was 101 most of the time.

theoddlittleturtle

xakko, so when can we expect your next goodie? (I'll have to beg hubby for more HP books before then heh)

deb

wow

Amokitty

I was a wilted mess in that heat! It was that hot on Lake Mead even, so I got no relief.

deb

florida in August was way hot too but soggy. way too soggy

deb

a bucket of water over the head and leave the bucket on for shade that helps.

xakko

sorry, doing puff duties

darkstorm5000

Massive humidity is pretty much a given all along the gulf coast and surrounding areas during the summer

xakko

I dunno... should I repost the diagon alley scene when I get Nightcrawler back in there?

Amokitty

Death Valley in the middle of winter is stunning, and I highly recommend it. It snowed, and was so pretty.

xakko

or should I try to work on the Dr. Doom/Voldemort scene?

xakko

or another of the movie night segues

Amokitty

Weren't you leaning towards Kurt?

deb

the name death valley doesn't bill it well though

melodyrider

Whichever scene is poking you the hardest, Xak *nods*

Amokitty

I'd love to go back to Death Valley. It has a lovely resort there, and the scenery is fantastic. I'd never go in summer though.

theoddlittleturtle

oh, definitely whereever the muse takes you, xakko

xakko

well, I have two more movies to cover - tho' I could skip OotP, since it's after my story

Amokitty

Sorry Xak, I meant leaning towards the Kurt scene w/jammies in Diagon alley.

xakko

I think Rachel's out on the town, and Kurt comes down at some point in his jammies

theoddlittleturtle

that sounds cuuute!

xakko

so one of them can pop in at one point, the other during the last section

xakko

I still need a handle on how the triangle of Kitty Illyana and Rachel is going to play out

Amokitty

What will the X-men think once they realize they're reliving Goblet of Fire, having read the book and seen the movie?

J_Harper joined.

 

xakko

well, they'll start out planning to make changes - tho' Dumbledore may be the one who asks them to stay

xakko

hi Jeremy!

J_Harper

Hello.

theoddlittleturtle

hello!

deb

hi

darkstorm5000

Hi JH!

Amokitty

It's Jeremy!! I'm thrilled you made it. :)

J_Harper

Hi all.

melodyrider

Hi Jeremy!

xakko

but as they're exposed to the HP world, they'll find themselves affected by Dumbledores spell to make Harry Potter book/movie knowledge unknowable

J_Harper

Was at a D&D game down on the Cape, and I had to drive a friend back to Abington, which takes some time.

Amokitty

Cape Cod? How very cool!

xakko

so by the second or third section, they won't know what's coming anymore

J_Harper

Yesh.

Amokitty

Crafty Dumbledore is on to them from the beginning?

xakko

that's one of my struggles - how do I get them to NEED to attend Hogwarts enough that 'Yana casts a spell and de-ages them

Amokitty

This would be the time of year I'd like to go to the Cape and Plymouth with its Rock. Thanksgiving and all... I hope I get to one day!

J_Harper

That would be nice. Very cold around here right now, though. Colder than usual.

theoddlittleturtle

how do they get into the HP universe?

Amokitty

a little cold wouldn't bother me a bit, but I'm sorry you're putting up with it.

theoddlittleturtle

maybe they need to get into hogwarts because they think they need dumbledore's help?

xakko

the HP universe exists within the Marvel Universe

xakko

Harry, Hermione and Ron appeared in New Excalibur

Amokitty

Illyana teleports through time and space, Rachel can go anywhere she wants via the Phoenix, shouldn't be too hard, should it?

J_Harper

It's okay. Lot of body fat helps. Bleah. ;)

theoddlittleturtle

uh... oookay... um...

xakko

or, a version of the HP universe does, anyway

xakko

Juggernaut almost ran them over

theoddlittleturtle

LOL

darkstorm5000

That was kind of cool when they did, just unexpected and all

Amokitty

Jeremy, don't remind me! I have lose 20 pounds!! (though I have lost 9 of them so far)

xakko

wow, that's great Amo!

Amokitty

I have TO lose, I should say... Typing sucks as always.

Amokitty

thank you!!

melodyrider

Way to go, Amo!

melodyrider

Heh, I'm actually trying to lose some weight myself by June or so

xakko

you didn't lose them shivering while waiting for the furnace to get fixed, did you?

Amokitty

Thank you much! I gots de motivation and then some!

J_Harper

That's very good, Amo. :)

Amokitty

Geez, I practically did! No, I've been hungry a lot actually... *sigh* What can you do? *shrugs*

Amokitty

thanks Jeremy. but I'm drinking a Coke right now to stay awake so I'm blowing it for today. ;) My acupuncturist doesn't want me using sugar substitutes, so no Splenda for me, which is why I'm drinking the "real" thing.

xakko

there's always No-Doz...

xakko

or maybe not

J_Harper

So, have I missed much?

J_Harper

Was that Love-Lorn as bad as Amo said?

Amokitty

Only us bitching about the monstrosity that was Uncanny....

Amokitty

;)

melodyrider

Amo, have you tried xyletol or stevia as sweeteners?

theoddlittleturtle

fructose isn't a sugar substitute btw

xakko

oh yes, it was that bad

Amokitty

Yes, as a matter of fact I do use Stevia. It only takes like what, three grains and yor food gets way too sweet. I'm still trying to figure out good measurements to use with that, Mel.

theoddlittleturtle

stevia = blech

theoddlittleturtle

nasty aftertaste

J_Harper

It sounded bad. I'm tired of this 'Peter is a wimp' meme that pops us. People mistake gentleness for weakness...

Amokitty

a little of that goes a looong way, Turtle.

J_Harper

up, I meant. Not us.

melodyrider

Stevia is a very strong sweetener. Depending on the food, something that might work is to dillute it in water first

Amokitty

He's not just weak, Jeremy. he's stupid as all get out.

theoddlittleturtle

lol - he can pop us - at least then there would be a better plot

J_Harper

I don't like that meme, either.

J_Harper

Rose mentioned a tie-in novel where the writer portrayed Peter as not that bright and a bit of a crybaby a while back.

Amokitty

I've heard stevia DROPS work well, so I'll probably try that next. It'll have to wait until payday though. I blew the rest of the grocery money on an organic turkey! :P

melodyrider

Woot! That should make for a tasty meal *nods*

theoddlittleturtle

organic turkey?

theoddlittleturtle

as opposed to turkeys made of rock?

Amokitty

that's the way everyone is portraying him now Jeremy. Peter went to a San Francisco tattoo parlor and couldn't take it!!

deb

unlike tofurky

Amokitty

Yep! A bonafide organic turkey!

deb

turducken?

Amokitty

It better make a tasty meal as much as that sucker cost!

deb

was it free range

J_Harper

I feel ill.

theoddlittleturtle

er, i'll never understand how adding the name organic makes an organic creature any more organic than another...

deb

fried turducken anyone?

xakko

when some turkeys are shot up with chemicals?

Amokitty

Turtle: the turkey is free range and eats a natural, pestiside free organic diet. That's the difference. a costly one, unfortunately.

theoddlittleturtle

i have a few of those on my leases...

deb

tastes like chicken....and turkey and a duck

J_Harper

This is a guy who had a spear put through his chest, who got heated super-hot then flash-frozen, who had his had cracked open, who has fought some of the nastiest bricks around.... How can they think that?

Amokitty

Deb: see above! :) :D lol.

darkstorm5000

If it's more than five years old...

deb

i'll just have a salad the

Amokitty

You'll be more than ill, you'll want to puke when you read it jeremy. Oh wait a minute! No, Colossus did that while armored! He really puked on a sidewalk while armored. Dear God, make it stop.

Amokitty

I've always wanted to try Turducken, but it has bell peppers and I'm allergic. so no dice.

deb

on second though.check please. not hungry anymore

Amokitty

LOL!!

xakko

well, are we sure that undigested food couldn't be vomited in his armored form? that said, the scene presented shouldn't have made him vomit.

xakko

the writing, maybe...

deb

i can eat bell peppers either

deb

can it go up his nose? i hate that

deb

it has to go somewhere

theoddlittleturtle

during whedon's run he had a nosebleed while armored

xakko

an organic steel nosebleed - which was kinda BS and also a mind trick

Amokitty

If he can't cry or bleed, then how is it possible to have stomach acid? I just don't know.

Amokitty

While Armored, I should say...

melodyrider

It might have been a dry heave, is all I can figure

xakko

I'm just thinking that all the Borsht in his stomach wouldn't have transformed

theoddlittleturtle

his body reacting only...

Amokitty

But it sounded... wet (excuse the description). Peter went "blorrrrrch"!

J_Harper

I thought he could cry. Swore he had tears running down his face when Storm was killed in Days of Future Past. But that's just a nitpick.

J_Harper

And there are going to be three more issues of this?

Amokitty

Yes. And I'm sorry Jeremy.

theoddlittleturtle

what kind of vomit sound is blorrrrrch anyway.... oy

deb

that's enough to make you Blorrrrrch

J_Harper

I hate Marvel right now.

deb

It needs more vowels

Amokitty

After killing Proteus, Peter told Moira that he couldn't cry. But in DoFP he could. It was a different reality, maybe that's why he cried?

deb

BLACCCCHHHH how about that

J_Harper

Like I said, just a nitpick.

Amokitty

I hate this book within an inch of its life.

Amokitty

Deb, you're killing me! :D

theoddlittleturtle

Old school Storm was a nice touch though...

J_Harper

I hate Marvel, now. Civil War has drained the fun out of it, they broke up Spidey and MJ, when I think the fans had no problems with their marriage, and now my favorite character is being run into the ground in a way that would make Ellis blush.

darkstorm5000

I had always assumed that all of his biological processes went into some kind of altered suspended state when he armored up, including his digestive tract. Guess I was wrong...

deb

sorry I'll use non-leathal jokes

Amokitty

I've never seen Peter look so stupid as he does in this issue. he mumbles under his breath like a put-out kid about Scott. Really, REALLY juvenile.

xakko

the question is - why doesn't he quit the X-men?

Amokitty

I kinda thought the same thing, DS. It always made sense. He doesn't have blood while armored, he has energy. How in the hell could he vomit?

deb

why doesn't he go find kitty dammit

xakko

that's what I would've wanted to see - "I'm no use to you? Fine." and walk out the door

Amokitty

Because he's a lame, dopey idiot now.

xakko

he has muscles that still flex. that's most of the digestive tract right there, isn't it?

xakko

well, part of it, anyway

Amokitty

He needs to grow a pair and stand up for himself. He's letting Logan lead him around like a puppy in Manifest Destiny... it's ridiculous.

theoddlittleturtle

I don't like the fact that they've characterized him as being so mopey after Kitty was gone... it was exactly what she said she didn

J_Harper

Well, at least I have a jumping off point, now, if I ever decide to write Child of Fire.

theoddlittleturtle

't want any more

theoddlittleturtle

oops... that got messed up

Amokitty

Scott is a complete asshole to him, and Peter just took it. He gripes under his breath at how Scott treated him instead of calling him on it. Who is this person, and what did you do to Peter Rasputin??

theoddlittleturtle

what happened to grab the happy before its gone?

xakko

(and what did they do with Scott Summers?)

deb

dude, where's my x-men?

theoddlittleturtle

did you hear? they traded him for a Skrull

xakko

heh!

Amokitty

Scott is a lost cause. I wouldn't want to see him and Jean get back together for any reason. They killed Scott. He's worthless now.

xakko

we can at least blame Emma for Scott

deb

he is dead to me, DEAD!

Amokitty

Skrull! Of course!!! Well that makes me feel better now. :)

darkstorm5000

I would've loved to see Piotr walk over and just whisper something into Scott's ear, then walk off. When Emma asks what he said, Scott replies "He just told me what he would hit if I EVER spoke to him like that again."

theoddlittleturtle

I hearby retconn this issue by inserting Skrulls to take their places.

xakko

Scott is not a lost cause. Let me throw Emma under the bus, we'll be good, I promise

Amokitty

Deb is too damn funny....

deb

::biggrin

xakko

of course, you can't bring Scott back to himself without it being all Emma's fault.

theoddlittleturtle

emma had clothes on this issue... that was creepier than anything...

Amokitty

I wish somebody would!!! I miss the boy scout. Marvel

deb

it is emma's fault

xakko

Scott can't be absolved of the psychic tryst

Amokitty

Whoops! Marvel has made Scott so badass and horny that he's become a caricature of himself.

xakko

that's on him

melodyrider

Okay, I think I'd better turn in for the night. School's been leaving me pretty short on energy this late at night

deb

i still don't like emma though

deb

g'nite

theoddlittleturtle

have a good night melodyrider

xakko

g'nite MR, thanks for coming!

xakko

and for the helpful links!

darkstorm5000

good night, MR!

Amokitty

thank you for stopping by Mel! Have a nice weekend.

melodyrider

g'nite, everyone!

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Amokitty

Good night :)

xakko

I should just write down my "It's Emma's fault" theory...

theoddlittleturtle

i would read it!!

theoddlittleturtle

:D

xakko

I've noticed that my little Ballad of Jean is getting more hits than my other LWW challenges

deb

me too but I have an in with the author

Amokitty

Jean wouldn't recognize him, I'll say that much. Kitty wouldn't recognize Peter either for that matter.

theoddlittleturtle

lol

theoddlittleturtle

there's a lot of people who are still shipping jean and scott

Amokitty

Two dead women, and their men turn into complete strangers.

theoddlittleturtle

yuck

xakko

I still think Emma was exceedingly jealous of Jean from the start

J_Harper

Jean and Scott were a couple for, what, 30 years or more?

J_Harper

Jean is Scott's great love. Emma can't compete with that.

theoddlittleturtle

absolutely

theoddlittleturtle

but amokitty's right, jean wouldn't recognize him now

xakko

I think, after Genosha, she saw that the X-men were the center of power in the mutant universe - what better what to cement her own position of power and get back at the hated Jean

Amokitty

I shipped Jott, oh yes I did! I can't stand Cyclops as he is now, so until Marvel has the professor give Scott a lobotomy, I'll have to wish jean well with someone else.

theoddlittleturtle

Peter has reverted to mopey Peter from the nineties when nobody really knew what to do with him

xakko

*sigh*

theoddlittleturtle

I intend to give him a labotomy in an upcoming story

xakko

heh

theoddlittleturtle

AU but still

J_Harper

I know what to do with Peter.

Amokitty

I think at her core, Emma is a very insecure person. Jean exudes confidence, passion, and power. All the things Emma's always wanted. It came natually for Jean, not so for Emma. She had to claw her way to get there.

J_Harper

But I'll never get the chance.

Amokitty

What, Jeremy?! Tell us!

xakko

Jean is more powerful, naturally beautiful, well liked...

J_Harper

Child of Fire as a limited series. With follow-ups. Revitalize the character, get away from this stupid characterisation that's been plaguing him since the friggin' 90's.

theoddlittleturtle

Marvel's rule must be 'if it's got red hair, give it lots of angst'

Amokitty

naturally well endowed....

Amokitty

;)

theoddlittleturtle

LOL

xakko

heh, I was being polite

Amokitty

Ha, ha!

J_Harper

A not quite as smart-ass Spenser.

xakko

in some ways, Peter is a microcosm for the X-books as a whole

J_Harper

That's how I've seen him, though it is not a complete match.

Amokitty

Peter has a sort of old world charm about him. he's polite, but not stupid. How did it get to this?

xakko

just as all these "incredible" writers are failing at the X-men, so to have so many failed at writing Colossus in particular

xakko

btw, how much trouble would I get in were I to have a "shocking death" in my cross-over? (I'm still going to pick all your brrraaaaaiiiiiinnnnnnsssS)

Amokitty

Where did the title "Child of Fire" come from, Jeremy?

J_Harper

It's a reference to what Erin is.

Amokitty

I trust you not to be gratuitous in death dealing, Xak. I'm sure you have a very good reason!

theoddlittleturtle

shocking deaths are fine as long as they're retconned later lol

J_Harper

She's not a mutant. She's something else, and being forced to become that something else is why her personality is the way it is.

theoddlittleturtle

like phoenix?

xakko

I need to establish some sort of major effect of the X-men in Harry's world...

J_Harper

Very close. I don't know how much I want to talk about it.

xakko

I actually considered killing off Ron.

J_Harper

I hear Rose cheering from here... ;)

xakko

but I think that messing with the Trio might be a bit much

Amokitty

Gotcha, Jeremy. By the way, when you read the latest uncanny, take notice of the fact that Peter is in a restaurant minding his own business when the villain shows up. Only instead of coming to the rescue, like he did when dealing with King Freak, Peter vomits and runs away.

theoddlittleturtle

well, xakko, i'm sure you'd have a reason for it

J_Harper

Heh. Actually, Peter beats the hell out of two corrupt cops, not King Freak. He didn't meet Freak or Hound at the greasy spoon.

theoddlittleturtle

i'm hoping the next issue will give more explanations into why that was

xakko

that's the problem - I just need a shock to the system to let the readers know that they've moved into very unfamiliar territory

J_Harper

But still, for crying out loud! He's a goddamn veteran fighter, brave as hell. What the frack?

Amokitty

Ron doesn't contribute that much to the Potter world, you know? Except as the catalyst for Hermione's angst.

J_Harper

He's gone up against Magneto unarmored!

theoddlittleturtle

and apparently he's gone/is going up against the hulk too

xakko

I dunno, Ron's got his uses, and he's still the most realistic of all the male characters

Amokitty

Ah! I see! Well, Jeremy, you need to write everything down and post it so I'll remember!! *hint hint* :D

J_Harper

I've been having trouble writing, lately. I've been having trouble writing ever since I got a piece of criticism about The Memory of Silver and Sapphire.

J_Harper

And it has been about two months now. I know I'm letting the asshole win, but I just haven't had the gumption.

Amokitty

Peter has become a wimp and a useless, wussy, ‘I'm afraid of a tattoo gun, but still want a tattoo’ (wtf?!!), coward. I was angry reading it. Why on earth would Kitty love a man like this?

theoddlittleturtle

because they want Kitty to go with Bobby... ugh

Amokitty

I'll have to read the reviews now, jeremy. How nasty was this "review"? It doesn't sound constructive at all. In which case, you must take it with a grain of salt.

theoddlittleturtle

that would totally suck if she came back and they forced them together and Peter was pushed to the sidelines

darkstorm5000

Good god, no...

Amokitty

Turtle, It's bad enough they're pushing that ship so hard in the Wolverine and X-Men series. We must try to stay positive!

xakko

did the review get deleted? I must be missing it, 'cause those are pretty glowing ones I'm seeing it

theoddlittleturtle

so Bobby can be gay and go with Gambit ::happy

Amokitty

*dies*

theoddlittleturtle

lol - you'd never know i started out as a romy shipper...

J_Harper

It wasn't at RPG.Net. I posted the story to an e-mail list I've been part of for about ten years. The writer MSTed the thing in his review. Said I made Ranma a honorless bastard, said I made the other girls violent maniacs, and other things. I couldn't read the entire thing. I could barely read any of it, I was so angry and sick. And the jerk thought it was all right to be so goddamn rude just because he put a disclaimer at the beginning of the e-mail. I wrote him back and told him never to comment on my work again, whether it was Ranma or anything else.

xakko

gah... I was just reading the ones at FF.net

xakko

that totally sucks that someone would do that.

theoddlittleturtle

that's horrible, jeremy... i'm sorry that happened

J_Harper

Guy wrote back, said I was thin-skin. I wrote again, said I had a correspondence with a pro named Arinn Dembo years back. Arinn was kind enough to critique some of my original fiction. She could be blunt when she thought I wasn't doing well, but she always treated my effort with respect, even if the work was flawed. I repeated that I didn't want to hear from him again, and not to bother writing back, since I would just delete it.

Amokitty

His opinion hardly matters since he doesn't even have the ability to be an adult with his criticism. There's always a few bastards in the bunch, dammit. Why can't people be civilized?? Why is this so hard?

theoddlittleturtle

there's an idiot in every bunch (i'll be the idiot for this one) ;)

J_Harper

The guy then posted the critque publicly - it was initially a private response, just to me. He said that he didn't necessarily think it was a bad story, but he said that it had a number of flaws he had been seeing recently in newbie Ranma fan fiction. I've been writing Ranma 1/2 for nearly ten years. I placed or won the Best of Ranma 1/2 Fan Fiction polls twice, and I'm willing to bet I would have won more if I had written more before it folded. Never heard of this guy before.

J_Harper

He wrote me again, but I followed through with my promise and purged it without reading it.

Amokitty

Too bad, Turtle, I have you beat! I'M the head idiot of this bunch! You'll have to try a LOT harder to beat me! :D

xakko

what a complete and utter bleeptard

J_Harper

He also said my punctuation was pretty flawed, but after doing some studying I'm not too sure.

xakko

so, frankly, a troll

Amokitty

Do you know if this bastard writes himself? And has he written Ranma?

J_Harper

The cheap sarcasim is what pissed me off the most.

J_Harper

I have no idea. I don't have a copy of his critique anymore, though you can probably find it in the FFML Archive, since he published it publicly after I yelled at him.

Amokitty

If so, I'd LOVE to read his reviews. He's obviously in love with his own opinion. People like that are narrow minded in the extreme and it becomes obvious real quick.

J_Harper

If you want to. I couldn't read most of it, because of the MSTing, the disrespect.

Amokitty

People like that dish it out and are unable to take it. No matter how well meaning.

J_Harper

Anyhow, I just really haven't had the energy of the gumption to write, since then.

J_Harper

Even though I thought I've pretty much shaken him off.

xakko

btw, turtle, amo - there're no idiots here that I can see.

J_Harper

Ranma's always been a rough fandom, when it comes to characterization desputes... :(

xakko

except maybe the goofball bunny that thinks she can guilt me over to where she's flopped.

darkstorm5000

Don't let one jerkhole discourage you from something you love to do

theoddlittleturtle

jeremy: i hope you shake it off soon! amo: can apply for assistant idiot then??? heehee xak: thanks

Amokitty

What's truly important is that 99% of your readership respects and enjoys your work. Since it's impossible to please everyone, you must admit, that since everyone else IS impressed, the few that aren't, aren't worth the time you give them.

theoddlittleturtle

i agree

Amokitty

Turtle, you must understand that you simply aren't qualified for the job. I'm over qualified, and thus, it would take a freaking miracle to sink to my level. ;) :)

theoddlittleturtle

ROFL

J_Harper

Heh.

Amokitty

For *you* to sink to my level, dear Turtle. See? I can't even type THAT right!

xakko

(the sad thing is the cuteness is beginning to work - brb)

theoddlittleturtle

y'know i think that's the first time i've ever been relieved not to be qualified (no offense!)

Amokitty

LOL!!!

theoddlittleturtle

:D

darkstorm5000

What, are you two going to have to settle this king of the hill-style or something?

Amokitty

I am soo laughing out loud here....

theoddlittleturtle

woo! can i play the granddad? i'm short!

theoddlittleturtle

me too!

Amokitty

but you still have both your legs!

theoddlittleturtle

...

theoddlittleturtle

darn it!

theoddlittleturtle

i can fix it!

Amokitty

hee. :)

darkstorm5000

That hadn't even occurred to me when I typed that (the TV show reference)

theoddlittleturtle

ROFL

Amokitty

heh, heh.

xakko

deb, we gotta get the humidifier running - I just got a huge noseful of fur

theoddlittleturtle

dust bunnies!

deb

we could shave puff.

Amokitty

ewwwwww.

Amokitty

I loved your story! Akane was written to perfection! The shyness of Ranma and Akane both... it was heartbreaking and wonderful all at the same time! The guy is a fucking moron. Bottom line.

J_Harper

I will admit right here the formatting when I submitted it sucked. I was using my old computer and an old version of AOL Mail, and the list didn't like it and chopped it up. I haven't had that problem since I got the laptop, though.

J_Harper

He said Ranma was acting like a wimp and then was out of character angry.

Amokitty

Xak has mentioned having some of the same problems, jeremy.

J_Harper

I dunno. The reason and logic in my story is there. I'm a supporter of the pairing, but I didn't arbitrarily write what I did for the sake of it.

xakko

one bad review for Kit's gave me a lot of issues

J_Harper

Oh?

J_Harper

Is this recent?

theoddlittleturtle

why would anyone give a bad review for that story?

xakko

it was when I posted the last chapter of Kits

J_Harper

The theory I use when I wrote Silver and Sapphire is that the manga is filled with 'tipping points' where their relationships could and maybe should have become more serious, if Takahashi was writing a different sort of story.

xakko

because it took place right before Astonishing, and the epilogue was post-, one reader was confused as to everything that had happened

Amokitty

So he's the Ranma expert and everyone else isn't? Uh-huh. Suuuure he is. Besides that, how is it not a good story? Even if it seemed ooc to him, how in the hell was the story not enjoyable? He couldn't identify with ANY of it?

J_Harper

I dunno. I shouldn't be wasting chat space talking about this. And I think I sound like a whiner.

xakko

and now I get worried that my writing is too dense for any but the most fanatical to enjoy

J_Harper

He had a high-handed tone.

J_Harper

I think I remember that.

xakko

oh hell yeah, all that rules of writing crap...

theoddlittleturtle

i must be a fanatic then... ::blink

xakko

well, you are here, aren't you?

xakko

;)

theoddlittleturtle

i'm out of the proverbial closet!!

theoddlittleturtle

Jeremy, you don't sound like a whiner

J_Harper

I try not to be.

J_Harper

I just don't know anymore.

xakko

you aren't

theoddlittleturtle

definitely not

Amokitty

You don't, Jeremy. I know very well that writers struggle with mean spirted reviews. There isn't ONE writer that hasn't struggled with it, actually. And don't worry about chat space. who cares? What's important is that we care about your work! We're not so blase that we can't appreciate good writing when we see it.

theoddlittleturtle

group therapy

J_Harper

Thanks, all.

theoddlittleturtle

wc

Amokitty

The praise is honest and deserved. No more and no less.

Amokitty

What sucks is that he won't be the last, but the good news is that there'll be so many more who are open minded, and allow themselves to see your work for what it is. Those reviews are the ones that count.

J_Harper

Well, if you decide to read the review, Amo, let me know what you think. As I said, I couldn't read much of it, I was so angry. Part of me wonders if I reacted fairly.

J_Harper

And thank you, amo.

Amokitty

Since canon is so terrible right now, I hope everyone gives serious thought towards making things better by writing fanfic. It's a gift that you guys give us.

Amokitty

No need, Jeremy. And I'll let you know what I think. I'll give an honest review of this guy's "review".

xakko

gah. canon.

xakko

boo!

theoddlittleturtle

i think we should each try to fill as many slots on ff.net with kitty and peter stuff as possible

J_Harper

Oi.

theoddlittleturtle

i'm all for au

Amokitty

We NEED your talents more than we ever have, really. The fun has been taken from our hobby, and you all can do something about it!

xakko

again, I wish I were more prolific as a writer

theoddlittleturtle

wow... army ad...

theoddlittleturtle

sorry, couldn't resist, amo...

xakko

btw, did you all see that our president-elect is a secret NERD, collecting Spider-man and Conan?

Amokitty

I've come to the conclusion that the more prolific an author is, the more reviews they get regardless of quality.

xakko

I wonder if we can get an executive order to have Brand New Day removed from continuity

Amokitty

LOL. I guess you really could say I'm trying to recruit you!!

theoddlittleturtle

is Brand New Day as bad as everyone is making it to be?

J_Harper

Yeah, I read that.

theoddlittleturtle

yay, amo!

Amokitty

It is, Turtle. It is.

J_Harper

More off topic stuff: I met Joe Hill last Sunday.

theoddlittleturtle

well, hopefully it will get fixed soon then

xakko

well, One More Day/Brand New Day - some of the stories, apparently, aren't bad, but the concept - deal with the devil to retcon the last 20 years of stories? that sucks

Amokitty

How's Joe doing? glad you got to visit him, jeremy!

J_Harper

Do you know who Joe Hill is?

J_Harper

Different person than my friend Joe. :)]

Amokitty

It's such a convoluted mess right now. Spider Man is in trouble.

J_Harper

Spidey has been in trouble since the Clone Saga...

J_Harper

Ahhh! Brand New Day is the Clone Saga of the 21st Century!

Amokitty

Whoops! Sorry about that Jeremy! Is Joe Hill in the industry, by any chance/

J_Harper

Actually, yes. He writes a horror comic for IDH called Locke and Key.

Amokitty

Oh yeah??? Tell us more!

theoddlittleturtle

hmm... how much trouble would i be in then if I were to pair Spiderman with Illyana from my Warrior universe then... *brainchurning*

deb

steve king's son?

J_Harper

He's also written a horror novel called Heart Shaped Box, and a collection of stories called 20th Century Ghosts.

J_Harper

Yup.

J_Harper

I think he's better than his old man, but he'

J_Harper

he's laboring under a heavy burden, considering who's son he is.

Amokitty

Wow....

xakko

I can imagine...

J_Harper

I'm actually not a big King fan, but I read two years back all the praise he's been getting, and the awards 20th Century Ghosts won, and I decided to try him out when I saw Heart Shaped Box in the book store.

xakko

you could totally do the Illyana/Spiderman thing...

xakko

is there a reason you don't use the hyphen? I've been meaning to ask you on that

Amokitty

Turtle: Does MJ not exist in your AU?

xakko

deb - Puff is grunting down here

J_Harper

He's very good, though I had some trouble with the ending of Heart Shaped Box. I bought a copy of 20th Century Ghosts, and he signed it. Even drew a ghost for me, and personalized it.

J_Harper

Is Puff grunting bad?

Amokitty

she okay?

xakko

well, it used to mean she was in heat

Amokitty

I remember.... oh boy.

xakko

now, it seems to be an extreme way to get our attention

theoddlittleturtle

rabbits grunt?

Amokitty

But she's spayed now, so what could it be?

xakko

she may just be really, really happy to still be free

theoddlittleturtle

how cuuute!

xakko

it wasn't cute back in February

xakko

now it's kinda cute - no musk

Amokitty

Yeah, Puff had some... issues....

xakko

the musk was NASTY

theoddlittleturtle

amo, i'm enjoying the flirty-ness that's going on between them, but I've been holding back because I didn't want to go too overboard

Amokitty

but boy bunnies would loooove it, I'm sure.

theoddlittleturtle

wow, the things you learn on the internet lol

Amokitty

Ha!

Amokitty

Illyana flirting with a guy named Peter.... I can see the jokes now!

theoddlittleturtle

:)

theoddlittleturtle

xakko was the question about the hyphen directed towards me?

xakko

yes

Amokitty

I had an opportunity to meet Tim Sales, the artist who does the artwork for "Heroes", but passed. I'd rather be here! :D

theoddlittleturtle

ok, then i'm not sure what you mean... heh

Amokitty

he was signing a bunch of stuff today.

theoddlittleturtle

is Spiderman supposed to be Spider-man?

Amokitty

Spider-Man's hyphen, right Xak?

theoddlittleturtle

if so I've never really paid attention...

xakko

it is in regular Marvel continuity

xakko

it's OK if it isn't in yours

xakko

just so long as you're consistent.

theoddlittleturtle

let's play make believe then...

theoddlittleturtle

heh

Amokitty

that's what fanfic is all about!

xakko

it's funny, because when I did my "what if Bruce Wayne were bitten by a radioactive spider" challenge, I had him go by Spiderman, like Batman

J_Harper

That's high flattery, Amo. :)

theoddlittleturtle

if it really bothers you though, i would have no problem going back and fixing it

xakko

Amokitty loves us. We love her too ::wub

Amokitty

I love you guys, and that's the truth. *shrugs*

xakko

no bother at all. I love your AU

Amokitty

Yeah, what he said!

J_Harper

I have an idea: would anyone be interested in participating in a round robin story on the LJ?

xakko

I hate to say it, but I can't make any commitments - I'm just such a damn procrastinator that I'd mess it up

xakko

I still can't understand how Rose and Author376 do it

theoddlittleturtle

that sounds fun! but what xakko said...

J_Harper

I cn relate. :)

Amokitty

Out of a fan's curiosity, what kind of round robin, Jeremy?

J_Harper

Well, nothing too structured. Maybe something of a free-for-all. I start by posting two or three paragraphs, and others can follow up by adding to it, a few paragraphs at a time.

J_Harper

It could become a bit of a brawl if there isn't a list of turns, but like Xak and Turtle said about commitments.

Amokitty

So nothing too demanding of a writer's time. something that wouldn't detract too much from an ongoing project?

xakko

that could be awesome

J_Harper

Probably the only rule I can think of is don't diverge from the initial tone of the story, what ever it is.

theoddlittleturtle

intrigued!

xakko

I often wish I had a collaborator to work with... but I'd be afraid to let them down

J_Harper

so if it's turning out to be a tragedy, don't suddenly pull out the slapstick.

deb

it's almost 4. I'm off to sleep

theoddlittleturtle

me too, i love bouncing ideas around

theoddlittleturtle

nite deb, it was nice meeting you

Amokitty

Deb, thanks so much!! It was good of you to come!

deb

n'ite all

xakko

g'nite dear!

J_Harper

G' night.

darkstorm5000

Good night!

Amokitty

Good night1

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Amokitty

DS, what do you think of the RR idea? Are you working on an upcoming project?

darkstorm5000

I'm still working on stuff, just really, really slow at it. I wouldn't mind participating in a RR, I'm just worried about not being able to contribute equally

Amokitty

a few paragraphs here and there could possibly make it worth considering.

xakko

if we can just reorient rose and 376, they'd keep the momentum up

xakko

:D

theoddlittleturtle

here here! :)

Amokitty

they're inhuman! I'm in awe. :D

darkstorm5000

No kidding!

xakko

if we can pull them away from their beloved Booster, Beetle and Max Lord

theoddlittleturtle

we could let them do a cross over? wait, never mind... they would take over...

Amokitty

I'm sure they'd write more Kiotr if canon inspired them, but canon sucks.

theoddlittleturtle

worse than wolvie i'm sure

J_Harper

I don't know much about those characters.

xakko

was it Rose who had the idea of Kitty getting sucked into the DCU as an amnesiac?

Amokitty

LOL!

J_Harper

Yes, it was. sounded very interesting.

theoddlittleturtle

was Rose here tonight?

Amokitty

Yeah, living in Chi town with Blue Beetle.

xakko

briefly

Amokitty

Yes Turtle, she left right before you arrived.

theoddlittleturtle

darn it!

Amokitty

Missed her by THAT much!

xakko

i picked up the JLI trades on their fandom

xakko

actually, I had picked up "I can't believe it's not" and "Formerly Known As" before that and loved them. Also, Hero Squared by Giffen/Dematteis

Amokitty

I collected JLA and JLI way back when. always good for a laugh. Plus, I loved Kevin Maguire's work

xakko

I liked Beetle a lot, Booster... he's one of those I think I'm just not going to get. Ditto Max Lord and Guy Gardner

Amokitty

I simply can't stand Guy Gardner, but I loved Tora - Ice. Guy was at his most tolerable then.

theoddlittleturtle

Rose and Author have taken the characters through, what, five years? that's just amazing

xakko

there's a lot of character's whose appeal completely escapes me... Emma, Gambit...

theoddlittleturtle

ROFL

J_Harper

Wolverine...

theoddlittleturtle

bishop...

J_Harper

Cable...

xakko

I get Wolverine only in the Ronin mode.

theoddlittleturtle

Cable's nummy... sorry, jeremy

Amokitty

i haven't followed their RR too closely, some particular themes just can't jell for me, but that's on me - not them. I know for a fact it's fantastic.

Amokitty

They work wonderfully together. :D

xakko

There's some elements of Cable I could wrap my head around. Not Liefeld Cable, but definitely some of Cable & Deadpool

xakko

For HP, I can't for the life of me understand the Draco fandom

Amokitty

I don't get Bishop either.

xakko

(or Snape, for that matter)

Amokitty

Ditto, Xak.

xakko

There's probably Pansy Parkinson fans, and Rowling made her about as loathesome as she could

Amokitty

Oh, there's a wealth of Draco/pansy fic.

xakko

I think I could root for Bishop at a few moments, generally X-treme X-men times

xakko

I thought he and Sage worked well together

Amokitty

Where's the Parvati fic, I ask you! Where's the love??  ;)

xakko

there's probably more Draco/Hermione and Draco/Ginny

xakko

and and Draco/Harry

Amokitty

Yep.

xakko

I was reading one that had a smattering of Parvati... with Ron.

Amokitty

I've accidently read Lavender/Ron fic! LOL!!

xakko

It was a Harry/Ginny fic. Poor Hermione ended up alone, albeit with a couple meetings with Krum

xakko

Won-won fic?

Amokitty

Hermione gets stereotyped way too easily. Rowling herself is guilty of it.

Amokitty

*laughs*

xakko

I am actually struggling against my inclincation to get Harry together with Ginny in the xover

J_Harper

Does anyone here like the Twilight series, are we all too old for it.

J_Harper

or are we all too old for it? I meant.

xakko

deb liked it a lot

xakko

but said I would hate it

Amokitty

We're going to see it tomorrow night, if only to see what the hype is about. considering where I live, that hype is utterly impossible to escape.

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darkstorm5000

I got about 1/3 way through the first book. I thought it was okay, for as far as I read.

theoddlittleturtle

*whines* the internet booted me off...

Amokitty

Plus, Twilight has the actor who played Cedric in HP, so it's eye candy at the very least.

xakko

boo, internet

xakko

heh

Amokitty

Stoopid internetz.

theoddlittleturtle

what did i miss?

xakko

writing Cedric will be a challenge

xakko

what was the last thing you saw?

Amokitty

Me drooling over Robert Pattinson. ;)

darkstorm5000

But, then again, I'm a sucker for cheesy drama

theoddlittleturtle

er... *insert sarcastic remark here*

J_Harper

Appaloosa.

Amokitty

who isn't, DS? If only for the amusing parts.

xakko

eventually, I'm going to have to watch that "Dark Knight" movie.

xakko

i fear I'm permanently biased against it though

Amokitty

It was good, Xak. Very good.

theoddlittleturtle

Dark Knight was good, but disagreed with Bale's Batman

xakko

can you answer me this - is the Joker bulletproof?

darkstorm5000

Huh?

Amokitty

No, just extremely lucky.

xakko

see, that doesn't work for me

Amokitty

Impossibly lucky even.

J_Harper

The Joker can overwhelm the Spectre and trick Mr. M out of his power, so i wouldn't be surprised if he was bullet proof. :P

theoddlittleturtle

I wouldn't call it lucky, he was intelligent enough to outsmart everyone

xakko

the Joker for me is a character that cannot be reconciled with a realistic scenario

Amokitty

True, but the Joker had some scenes where it was beyond incredible for him to have survived.

theoddlittleturtle

oh, that was Hollywood... if that counts a reason

xakko

I was also thinking about that - really, were Batman to kill the Joker - would ANY of you object?

Amokitty

It does, Turtle!

darkstorm5000

I enjoyed the Dark Knight, but I've liked all of the Bat-Movies more or less.

Amokitty

Yes, because they need each other in the sickest way possible.

theoddlittleturtle

i didn't object when tim burton made batman kill him

theoddlittleturtle

it made sense for the movie

theoddlittleturtle

couldn't say comic wise

xakko

the "heroes don't kill" mantra - does it work when your villains are committing mass murder at EVERY opportunity?

Amokitty

Joker must survive to give Batman his drama, and internal monologues.

theoddlittleturtle

LOL

xakko

Batman doesn't survive the realism test either. That's where "Batman Begins" failed for me

theoddlittleturtle

heroes don't kill mantra - have not channelled it yet - my heroes have killed David 3 times already and i'm still trying to find a way to let him live...

xakko

Batman is simply less realistic than pretty much the rest of the DCU

Amokitty

Realistically? Batman loses respect for not killing him with whatever measures it took.

xakko

realistically, if Joker were to have tried to mess with, say, Al Capone, how many holes would he have in him, bringing a knife to a gun fight?

darkstorm5000

Not really, not in a 'real-life' scenario. But I've never seen Batman as a character in real-life, despite how much they've tried to promote BB/DK to the contrary. I just took it for what it was, even if the director, etc... didn't.

theoddlittleturtle

I'm all for fiction staying fiction and getting rid of all reality...

Amokitty

Exactly, DS. How on earth are we to believe that a utility belt works miracles??

theoddlittleturtle

wait, that didn't come out right...

xakko

for me, the most "realistic" you make your work, the more I'm going to apply standards of reality, and the less likely I will suspend disbelief for you

xakko

particularly if the director goes and complains how "unrealistic" previous incarnations were

Amokitty

You have a very good point, Xak.

theoddlittleturtle

2nd-ed

xakko

anyway, time to get off that soapbox

xakko

I'm more interested in Hancock and Wall-E, actually

Amokitty

This has always been the balancing act of heroes. The Scarlet Pimpernel and Zorro also have the same problems.

Amokitty

hancock was okay, and Wall-E was wonderful.

Amokitty

My 2 cents. :)

xakko

I was just thinking how seldom X-villains actually kill people.

Amokitty

I saw 16 flipping movies over the summer!

xakko

or how it used to be that they didn't kill anyone

theoddlittleturtle

comics' code...

theoddlittleturtle

and the hero 'always wins'

xakko

but the Joker's been murdering hundreds upon hundreds of Gothamites for decades

Amokitty

What bugs me the most about the x-men in general is their pathetic rate of even putting the bad guys in jail, forget about killing them! How do they get away every damn time? Why is this allowed? I loved seeing Claremont put the Brotherhood in jail, and it took Rogue to come to their rescue.

xakko

when an X-foe has killed - usually something like the Brood - it seems like they respond with maximum force

J_Harper

I always wondered why anyone would live in Gotham.

Amokitty

I've thought the same thing! If Crime Alley exists, then who the hell would ever walk down it??

xakko

The Hellfire Club had their connections. They blew up lots of Sentinels. Magneto's really the only one who got away with murder - and he even went on trial for it

theoddlittleturtle

they couldn't put the bad guys in jail though, at the time (still the time) they were outlaws and couldn't put anyone away if they tried...

theoddlittleturtle

wow, it's late and that sentence made no sense... sorry...

xakko

i understood you

Amokitty

But he got away in Uncanny #150, rogue got away in Uncanny #158, viper got away in Uncanny #173....

theoddlittleturtle

i didn't... lol

Amokitty

But they could have when they were government agents. That storyline got axed real quick didn't it?

xakko

* toys idly with the idea of Peter asking his sister to go to the Yule Ball with Neville

theoddlittleturtle

squee! that would be cuute!

Amokitty

XSE agents, I mean.

theoddlittleturtle

see, i missed that...

Amokitty

Aw, Neville wouldn't know what hit him! Taking the hottest blonde to the ball!

theoddlittleturtle

i stopped reading just before Peter died and got back into it just this year when i found out that they'd brought him back

xakko

of course, that would mean Harry would go with Ginny

Amokitty

If you blinked you missed it, turtle. Another of CC's ideas that never got take off.

theoddlittleturtle

hmm... might have to fix that then...

xakko

it's covered in the "Uncanny X-men: The New Age" trades

Amokitty

And Ron? Would he go with Lavender or Parvati?

xakko

good question.

Amokitty

Luna, maybe?

Amokitty

That might be funny.

theoddlittleturtle

would you kill off Ron before the ball?

xakko

now, if Harry is as big a jerk to Ginny as he was to Parvati...

xakko

I don't know if I will kill him off. It's a thought I'm toying with. I *hate* killing kids

xakko

the idea really bugs me

Amokitty

I don't think he'd be that big a jerk to Ginny. She IS a Weasley if nothing else. So there's some respect there, if not romance (yet).

xakko

True. I'd hope not.

Amokitty

Have Ron get injured and take him out of the picture that way!

xakko

I think he likes Ginny, just not "in that way" at that time

theoddlittleturtle

i was just going to suggest the flu

theoddlittleturtle

mindreader or somethin...

Amokitty

Cho needs to be addressed somehow, especially if Harry has the hots for Ray.

xakko

the dreaded disease ancient dressrobitis?

Amokitty

*laughs*

theoddlittleturtle

ha!

xakko

Cho's with Cedric. Ginny might get a bit upset with Harry for stealing glimpses of Cho... but then, I'm still thinking of having him with the crush on Rachel

Amokitty

Maybe one of the twins pranks backfires and lays up Ron for a while?

darkstorm5000

Guys, I think I'm going to call it a night

xakko

g'nite DS! nice to see you!

theoddlittleturtle

have a good night, DS

Amokitty

Darkstorm, thank you as always for coming!! I'm so happy you came by!! :)

darkstorm5000

Thanks for having me! 'Night everybody!

Amokitty

Happy Thanksgiving!!!

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Amokitty

There are many, many ways to be rid of Ron without kiling him so your conscience is clear. ;)

xakko

I still need the hook - why the X-men at Hogwarts

xakko

would Dumbledore be so arrogant as to try to use their knowledge to end the war before it began?

Amokitty

a tornado came up and swept them away with their little dragon too??

Amokitty

My poor brain is cheetos right now.... :D

xakko

would the X-men dare mess with a timestream?

theoddlittleturtle

I would say something went wrong with Dr. Strange, but you've already established that Marvel magic doesn't go with HPverse

xakko

it's just a different kind of magic.

theoddlittleturtle

Mac vs. IBM... oy

Amokitty

Yes, he would. Grindelwald was involved with Dumbledore for a reason. I think it's possible certainly.

xakko

I was wondering if the Harry Potter wizards are actually the result of Merlin messing with their genetic code

xakko

as suggested in the Illuminati scene

J_Harper

Folks, I'm going to call it a night. Take care of your selves.

xakko

gnte jeremy

xakko

you too

J_Harper

Thanks.

theoddlittleturtle

have a great night

Amokitty

Jeremy, it was great that you came! Thank you so much!! :) :)

Amokitty

Sleep well!

J_Harper

:)

Amokitty

:)

J_Harper

I'll try. Bye.

Amokitty

Bye!

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Amokitty

Xak, that is a brilliant idea! Bringing Arthurian legend to diverge the Muggle world from the magical one.

xakko

so Dumbledore meets the X-men, who, realizing "when" they are, try to warn him about Voldemort, Barty Crouch Jr, and the like.

xakko

Dumbledore, of course, can't understand them due to his own spell that the HPworld can't gain knowledge from Rowling's works

xakko

I was thinking Merlyn - as in Roma's father.

Amokitty

Perhaps at one time, Tintagel, Camelot, and Avalon existed but later diverged into the new magical world also?

theoddlittleturtle

and the X-men would definitely mess with a timestream (Cable, Rachel, Kate Pryde... etc.)

Amokitty

OH! Meddlesome Merlin from Excalibur! Wow, that makes even more sense.

xakko

it would explain why Merlin appears in both Marvel and HP continuity

xakko

somehow, Dumbledore gets the sense that these people have knowledge of the future, and he agrees/decides that they should enroll at Hogwarts as exchange students

theoddlittleturtle

so Dumbledore's spell only goes one way?

Amokitty

Dumbledore pulling the strings makes everything possible. he's even pulling Rowling's strings in a matter of speaking in your first chapter. I like it.

xakko

anyone who becomes part of the Wizarding world will find the works of JK Rowling completely unmemorable

xakko

as the x-men become part of that world, the spell begins to affect them

theoddlittleturtle

oh, that makes more sense... i'm dense tonight, sorry

xakko

their ace in the hole is Nightcrawler, who cannot attend Hogwarts (no more houses, for one, and his image inducer wouldn't work there).

xakko

I could have him disguised magically, but "Moody's" eye would see through it

theoddlittleturtle

but would he forget who he was and where he came from?

Amokitty

If Kurt's not a student, then he's free to act and pull the x-men fat from the fire or, er, cauldron?

xakko

I'm thinking so

xakko

and I was going to have him stay with Lupin

Amokitty

I'd like that a LOT. By the way, will Tonks be seen at all?

xakko

possibly. she'd still be in the academy tho

xakko

i think

Amokitty

yeah, being an Auror and all, i figured the most we could see is a cameo, but it would be cool to see her no matter what.

xakko

the graveyard is not going to be so one-sided a fight.

Amokitty

You know I'm really impressed with all the work you've put into this so far. You're still working on the outline! The time and effort is going to show I know.

xakko

it's the details that scare me

theoddlittleturtle

i totally agree with Amokitty. i'm very eager to read this :) but no pressure. the details sometimes work themselves out

xakko

thanks

xakko

I hope so

xakko

I just have no idea what's going to go on in Peter's section

theoddlittleturtle

i'm for smooching, myself ::tongue

Amokitty

the going's on in Hufflepuff isn't really delved into is it?

xakko

I wonder how eager Cedric was to enter the Tournament?

xakko

not at all

xakko

it's the only common room not seen in the books

theoddlittleturtle

well, then you should be perfectly free to make something up

xakko

i'm probably going to let myself be "inspired" by Minisinoo

theoddlittleturtle

no one will be the wiser

xakko

giving full credit, of course

Amokitty

Your imagination could really have some fun with this. You could improve on Rowling's neglect.

xakko

It's a very ambitious project. It's kinda daunting

Amokitty

Minisinoo loves Cedric so very, very much. She fleshed him out in ways that Rowling hadn't dreamed of. Wouldn't it be great if Cedric could be another Boy Who Lived? And have Ron die instead? :P

xakko

heh

xakko

can't they both live?

theoddlittleturtle

the way i look at it is this, BoM was amazing and i doubt seriously anyone will have little faith that it will excellent

Amokitty

*laughs* Of course!! Are you thinking of having Cedric survive?

xakko

I did stumble on one tidbit - Iron isn't a stopper to HP magic

xakko

otherwise they never would have any Bludgers

xakko

so Peter's magic resistance might not do much

theoddlittleturtle

then he can be injured to create some angst?

xakko

however, I think someone phasing - or teleporting - might be able to save a Hufflepuff

theoddlittleturtle

just no healers...

xakko

heh... I don't see Peter falling for Madam Pomfrey

Amokitty

Peter could run interference and so some spying and reconnaisance?

theoddlittleturtle

ROFL

Amokitty

"do" spying, I mean.

xakko

He's still going to be immune to many spells based on him being so strong

theoddlittleturtle

he could try to sew some too

Amokitty

Madame Pomfrey from the library? LOL.

xakko

I just think he would die if hit with the AK

xakko

that's Madame Pince in the library

xakko

Pomfrey was in the Hospital Wing

Amokitty

whoops! I need to read the damn book again... I told you I wasn't the hippest Potter fan out there. You are warned!!

theoddlittleturtle

at least you've read it.. i'm only on book 2

xakko

when I get this going, I did promise Minisinoo that I'd let her know. I sent her an e-mail telling her how much I enjoyed "Finding Himself" and "The Room with the Computer"

Amokitty

It's like Xak said, the devil is in the details. I don't envy you taking this on.

xakko

and for permission to be inspired by her Hufflepuff

xakko

gee, thanks ;)

Amokitty

You know I have the UTMOST faith in your creativity and writing abilities!!

Amokitty

shame on you for doubting me, Mr. Warner! ;)

xakko

i do appreciate that

xakko

i'm going to be picking your brains for a while longer... once I get the intro scenes done and get a jump on Piotr's section, then I can start posting it

xakko

well, maybe not tonight. it's 5am

xakko

tonight? I mean this morning

Amokitty

Pick away Mr. Lecter!

xakko

would you believe Puff is still grunting and being cute?

Amokitty

Oh, wow. It is isn't it? Oh lord where did the time go??? heh, Mark is snoring..... :D

xakko

are you both over all your sick issues?

Amokitty

Puff is cute ALL the time, I'm sure!

xakko

even when she's eating her own poop. that's a tough trick to pull off

Amokitty

Yes, we are, thank you. :)

theoddlittleturtle

is Puff grunting or snoring?

xakko

she's flopped behind me

Amokitty

That cecal stuff IS a little weird....

theoddlittleturtle

?

Amokitty

Even Puff gets sleepy sometimes, right? I'm surprised she's still up.

Amokitty

Cecal pellets are like fecal pellets - but not.

xakko

rabbits have special pellets from the cecum that they have to reingest to get all their nutrients

Amokitty

Xak can explain better than me, turtle. :)

xakko

it's like cow's chewing their cud... after it's processed completely though the system

theoddlittleturtle

ah, internets... i can't unsee that...

Amokitty

*cracks up*

theoddlittleturtle

that is interesting though

xakko

she sleeps in the afternoon apparently.

Amokitty

and so will you!!!

xakko

should I try to come up with 4 themes for the four sections?

Amokitty

Would doing that make things more comlicated, for your writing? Any themes you have in mind?

xakko

I don't know. I just want to give myself some direction other than the scenes I know I have

theoddlittleturtle

i think it would be interesting to do themes, but if it makes the story too difficult to tell, you might not want to

xakko

right now I'm thinking Hufflepuff, which is the loyal house, would be about the friendship between Ced and Peter

xakko

would Peter try to "save" Cedric by discouraging him from entering?

Amokitty

And Slytherin would be about backstabbing? lol.

xakko

or manipulation

Amokitty

Then would Hufflepuff have a champion?

xakko

Cedric's going to enter - no doubt about that

xakko

I just wonder, if Cedric had doubts about entering, about pushing himself forward like that, if he might consult with Peter

xakko

and whether Peter would discourage him, or, perhaps, with Kitty's assurrances, encourage him.

Amokitty

Cho might have a say as well.

xakko

true.

xakko

I could see Kitty being determined to save Cedric - and so many other kids killed later - due to the events at the Institute

Amokitty

You mentioned Viktor Krum briefly in other discussions, are you going to touch upon him at all in this story? Other than him being one of the champions?

xakko

they couldn't save the kids on the bus, but if they can put Voldemort down immediately, they can save the HP kids

Amokitty

There's a clever thought in keeping with their characters.

xakko

Krum will have some time, I don't know how much

xakko

the Ball is going to be pretty packed

xakko

Hermione/Krum - if Ron isn't there to spoil it, what happens?

Amokitty

Yeah, i realize there's only so much screen time to give. *nods*

xakko

balance that with Piotr/Kitty, and possibly Harry/Ginny...

Amokitty

Lovely. :) :)

theoddlittleturtle

the neverending story ::wink

xakko

but how important is it that Harry overhear the conversation between Snape and Karkaroff?

xakko

or Hagrid and Madame Maxine?

Amokitty

What are your thoughts on this??

xakko

I don't know

xakko

I hadn't considered Harry going with Ginny seriously yet. It spun out of your request to have Piotr and Neville become close

xakko

But what would going with a Gryffindor - particularly Neville - do to 'Yana's status in Slytherin

theoddlittleturtle

is her status important?

Amokitty

I appreciate your giving the Peter and Neville interaction some consideration, but please don't feel pressured to include it. Like I said, I have faith that I'm going to be more than happy reading this. Esecially id your first drafts are any indication.

xakko

not so much to her, probably. but in Slytherin, the pecking order seems fairly important

xakko

he could also ask Ray... would Rachel accept, tho'?

theoddlittleturtle

if she doesn't have a lot of pull, then it would more than likely lower her status, if she has a lot of pull like Draco, then no one would really care

xakko

as it is, Illyana's going to find out that her great great grandfather - Grigory Rasputin - was once a highly regarded student at Durmstrang

xakko

and his exploits in the Muggle world known to Dark Wizard families

Amokitty

which is an idea that rocks! It works on so many levels.

xakko

that was Rose's, I believe

theoddlittleturtle

so Peter and Illyana have HPmagic in their veins?

Amokitty

I should've known! :) :)

xakko

possibly.

xakko

it appears to be able to coexist with the X-gene

xakko

that doesn't mean it didn't get bred out of the bloodline by Sinister

theoddlittleturtle

would this have anything to do with why Illyana (and no one else) can control the stepping disks in limbo?

xakko

that's something I hadn't considered

xakko

but I thought Storm (old witch Storm) and Amanda had control of them

theoddlittleturtle

I'm missing one issue to the mini, but storm didn't appear to use them - she had her own brand

theoddlittleturtle

of teleporting

Amokitty

But Illayna controls them naturally, rather than through magic, so that could very well be Sinister's doing.

xakko

I was thinking in Chutes and Ladders, certain stepping discs appeared at fortunate times, and I thought Storm was controlling them to some degree

xakko

It would be funny if Sinister bred away the HP magic gene because he didn't understand it

xakko

it wasn't the Essex factor, so he thinks it's useless

theoddlittleturtle

oh, irony

Amokitty

You mean he thought it was some strange abberation?

xakko

right

Amokitty

Too slow at typing. Story of my life...

xakko

possibly something that might interfere with the Essex factor

theoddlittleturtle

that would be true to his arrogance too

xakko

then again, maybe the HP gene was the carrier by which Rasputin was able to inflict his will after his death

Amokitty

Would the part of Peter that is Grigory recognize Hogwarts somehow, and try to take over Peter?

xakko

and why he nearly took over Piotr and Mikhail

theoddlittleturtle

this is great! an HP gene. awesome

xakko

gah, I'd have to think on that... I don't know if I'd have time to develop that properly

Amokitty

And would any Death Eaters get wind of this?

xakko

though I could then make Piotr unwittingly a secondary villain

theoddlittleturtle

intrigued!

Amokitty

curiouser and curiouser!

xakko

in which case this chat room transcript would have just spoiled the shock ending

xakko

well, not ending, but the big surprise

Amokitty

Ha!! i can always go back and edit! Just saythe word. :)

theoddlittleturtle

saving 20% on car insurance?

xakko

heh

xakko

it's something I'll need to think about

Amokitty

Oh man, am I ever laughing.

xakko

it could be very, very cool if I were subtle.

xakko

sort of plays off the events of Chamber of Secrets

theoddlittleturtle

that would be very cool

xakko

and is counterpoint to "Moody" in Goblet of Fire

Amokitty

Let me know sometime in the next couple of days then, and I'll abide by what you say.

xakko

I think I need to lean towards not doing it that way

xakko

besides, Rasputin has as much control over Illyana

xakko

I'll ruminate

theoddlittleturtle

brb

Amokitty

Does he? Illyana "died". Doesn't that make him inhabiting her a mute point? Isn't the curse broken by death, or does live on no matter what? It's late and my brain is fuzzy. Please bear with me.

theoddlittleturtle

back

xakko

Illyana never "died" in the xakkoverse

Amokitty

hey there. :)

theoddlittleturtle

:)

xakko

but she did get disembodied. would she have reconstituted her body with the Rasputin gene in effect?

xakko

besides, Piotr died far more certainly that Illyana, whose return was left open in New Mutants

Amokitty

Scratch what I was going to say, you just did! that was my question too.

theoddlittleturtle

would rasputin try to take control of illyana once dumbledore's spell took over?

Amokitty

Dumbledore might be alerted to Rasputin's presence.

xakko

hrmmm... lots to think about, huh?

xakko

and this is just the back story

Amokitty

I'll say. wow.

theoddlittleturtle

i say ouch

theoddlittleturtle

maybe once the story's underway, these particular details will iron themselves out

theoddlittleturtle

some details can be more vague than others

Amokitty

Very true. It's happened in Xak's previous work. things happened and changed as they went along.

xakko

that's what I'm afraid of here. I'm trying to outline this one, trying to plan it out

xakko

Kit's Laughing had CD tracks that I just meditated on, so to speak

theoddlittleturtle

i usually don't start planning until after the story is underway... fatal flaw, i get stuck much too often

xakko

Book of Magik pulled me every which way and grew very organically

xakko

this one has a natural structure - the book Goblet of Fire

theoddlittleturtle

so what sound tracks would this story have if you were to write it to music?

xakko

I've added to that with my decision to use four voices, one for each character

xakko

I don't think it would work that way. Kit's really happened because "Signal to Noise" started to sound like a song Kitty would sing about Piotr, about all the mixed messages

xakko

oh, and it happened because I broke my collarbone and was couchridden for 6 weeks. ;)

theoddlittleturtle

oh ow ow ow

Amokitty

That's what initially started it all isn't it? Funny how a broken collarbone can bring fans in, and be the start of something!

xakko

no kidding

xakko

still, this *feels* different than the others

Amokitty

If not for that broken collarbone, I might not never have met you! Hmmm.

xakko

I mean, I know the ending of this one. I only knew BoM was going to bring back Illyana

Amokitty

You make it sound like you were as surprised as the rest of of us with your story!

Amokitty

How it developed, I mean.

xakko

I was

xakko

I remember commenting early on that it was writing itself

xakko

when it stopped doing that, it ground to a halt and became *work*

Amokitty

You must have tremendous satisfaction that your work paid off so well. You said at times it was more labor than love, but the results are something to be proud of.

theoddlittleturtle

that's what happens with a lot of writers, myself included, and we end up with plot devices like Layla Miller and the like

theoddlittleturtle

but yours seemed to flow flawlessly, seemlessly

Amokitty

Turtle, is Warrior With No Name going to reach it's climax soon? any hints you'd like to share?

xakko

good question!

theoddlittleturtle

i r stuck

Amokitty

On?

xakko

gah!

Amokitty

Don't look at the clock!!

Amokitty

Kidding!

xakko

* notes it's easier to seem seemless when you go 3 months between chapters. ;)

Amokitty

I haven't yet. I'm afraid.

theoddlittleturtle

well, the way the story is flowing, Peter has to encounter Illyana's new form, which is easy write, then we have the heroes differing reactions to the dreamscape

theoddlittleturtle

lol

theoddlittleturtle

i'm finding i never should have added the fantastic four because in all honesty, i know absolutely nothing about them

Amokitty

Zilya was a little creepy in the dreamscape, so Peter's thoughts on that should be good!

xakko

heh - just remember, it's your story

xakko

you're solidly AU, so it's your Fantastic Four

xakko

that's what I find so refreshing about it

theoddlittleturtle

she was meant to be... i wanted him to come across downright terrified of seeing his daughter, but i'm not sure if i pulled it off

Amokitty

Oh, you did! :)

theoddlittleturtle

oh thank you, xak, that makes me feel so much better at torturing peter ::wub

Amokitty

:D

theoddlittleturtle

unfortunately the chapter i'm working with David keeps ending up as fishfood

theoddlittleturtle

and that can't happen

Amokitty

but poor Kitty got totured by Mikhail, and somehow that's not so funny is it? :P

theoddlittleturtle

weird how that works, huh?

Amokitty

I'm very much looking forward to your latest development, turtle.

xakko

ok, I HAVE to get to bed. but I am, as wel

theoddlittleturtle

I'm trying to fleshout Limbo more because I did want to do a sequel

xakko

(Puff is throwing a tantrum in her cage and it's a scary time right now I don't want to think about

xakko

g'nite all! thanks for the use of your brrrraaaaaaiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnssssssss

theoddlittleturtle

have a great night xakko, looking forward to your story

Amokitty

This was our longest chat ever. So much fun!! thank you so much Xakko!! This was incredibly interesting! :)

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Amokitty

I'll bet he sleeps until dinner!

theoddlittleturtle

lol

theoddlittleturtle

i won't be sleeping, i've got church in 3 hours ha!

Amokitty

Dear God, I just looked. 6:00 AM Eastern. OMG... Deb will never let him come again.

theoddlittleturtle

hee

Amokitty

Oh no!!! How are you going to manage? wow, feeling all kinds of gulit here!

theoddlittleturtle

no guilt, i have insomnia

Amokitty

"guilt", rather...

theoddlittleturtle

gulit works too

theoddlittleturtle

it is late lol

Amokitty

You too? Rose and Jeremy have it as well.

theoddlittleturtle

sleep is ebil

Amokitty

Turtle, thank you, thank you for coming and staying. I hope YOUR spouse forgives me too!

theoddlittleturtle

i'm not as bad as i was when i was younger

theoddlittleturtle

oh he will no worries

Amokitty

thank goodness. :)

theoddlittleturtle

lol

theoddlittleturtle

do you need to go sleep now?

Amokitty

thank you for making it so much fun! :) Good night!

Amokitty

Yeah, I really should!

theoddlittleturtle

thanks you for having me

Amokitty

:)

theoddlittleturtle

good night ::happy

Amokitty

Night!

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Amokitty

What an incredible night.  Deepest thanks are due to Author 376, Xakko, Madripoor Rose, Melodyrider, Deb, Darkstorm5000, The Odd Little Turtle, and Jeremy Harper for coming tonight and giving their opinions and plot bunnies.  It was an honor to have them here.  Good night, everyone!  Or maybe I should say Good morning…  :)

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