Within this transcript is the mention of a pro-Kiotr themed video made by LoneRaven.  It’s witty and fun with some insightful moments. The video is called Flavour of the Weak.  Enjoy!

 

Transcript for Kiotr Chat 11-18-06

Topic:  Astonishing X-Men #18

 

 

 

Amokitty

Evening everybody! I'm looking forward to tonight's chat so we can discuss Astonishing X-Men #18 and the TORN arc in general.

 

xakko joined.

 

 

xakko

hi there!

 

Amokitty

Hi there, Xak!

 

xakko

feeling any better? you seemed rather down on lj

 

Amokitty

Yeah, I am. I'm still not happy with the nastiness that's so prevalent, but my attitude seems to be a little better. How are you doing?

 

xakko

not too bad. a little upset with Jeremy, who gave us as much a cliffhanger as Joss did!

 

xakko

(great stuff, tho')

 

Amokitty

I know!!!!

 

Amokitty

It was marvelous. His story should be published. It's just that good.

 

xakko

i have my typical "oh dear, another chat and i haven't updated Kits" guilt too

 

xakko

it's too deep for comics, i fear, unless Marvel gets a Vertigo like line

 

Amokitty

Hah. We'll love you anyway..... although I'm hoping Jeremy's latest might inspire you somehow.

 

xakko

i'm trying to figure out X-23's voice

 

Amokitty

Are you thinking of using her in Kit's?

 

xakko

(there's a scene with Kitty and X-23 during the current chapter. i didnt' want her appearance in Chapter 1 to be as just a plot device

 

xakko

so i'll use her as a plot device in two chapters!

 

Amokitty

Interesting. Good to know she wasn't forgotten. It also might give balance, considering she was in the very beginning.

 

xakko

that was my thought, anyway... i'm struggling with the ending... mostly, i'm trying to figure out where Bloodline takes place in continuity

 

Amokitty

I honestly don't know. I originally thought it took place after House of M. Now I'm not so sure.

 

Amokitty

I think most of us would rather forget it - hee.

 

xakko

i was thinking it took place between Gifted and Danger, since it would explain why Piotr is so isolated in issue 7

 

xakko

not that Whedon took it into consideration

 

Amokitty

Can't argue with that. It makes perfect sense. Can I ask why you're curious about this? Is it going to be central to the last chaps?

 

xakko

quite possibly. Kits takes place between 6 and 7, and in the middle of Uncanny 460, so if Bloodline happens then, it could explain why they don't talk until Danger.

 

Amokitty

Good point!

 

xakko

i really need to not be a continuity slave

 

xakko

if i'd been writing Deathless, i don't know if i wouldn't have given up when they brought back Piotr a different way

 

Amokitty

I hope Jeremy forgives the lateness of my review. I've been working my butt off on the site today. Lost track of time. Must review tomorrow!

 

xakko

ah... i have gotten lost just pouring through the gallery a couple times the last few weeks

 

Amokitty

heh. I'm worried the thing's getting so large that I'm going to be making mistakes and not catching them. I'm gonna need a proofreader soon! It's a lot of images to keep track of.

 

Amokitty

At least New Arrivals is out! Finally....

 

xakko

i was going to ask if you intended to put up some of the wonderful Peter bits from Fall of the Mutants

 

Amokitty

Is that a request, my dear Xak???

 

xakko

it is indeed...

 

Amokitty

Cool. I'll drop an e-mail tomorrow with a few questions if that's okay with you?

 

xakko

the whole bit in Edinburgh is vintage Colossus, with his struggle and frustration and trying to do the right thing.

 

xakko

cool with me!

 

Amokitty

Awesomeness.

 

Amokitty

Oh and by the way, you should know that the screencap project is going good!

 

xakko

ooooh, happy happy!

 

xakko

you've been busy

 

LoneRaven joined.

 

 

Amokitty

The quality of the stories are just funny now that I'm watching them again. I'd completely forgotten that Phoenix made a cameo in Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends! Cool stuff I didn't expect.

 

Amokitty

Hey LoneRaven!!!

 

LoneRaven

Hey everyone : )

 

Amokitty

How's everything with you?

 

LoneRaven

alright, and yourself?

 

Amokitty

Very good, actually!

 

Kirayoshi joined.

 

 

Amokitty

Have you read Astonishing yet?

 

LoneRaven

yupp

 

Amokitty

Kirayoshi in the house!!!!

 

LoneRaven

got my copy wednesday

 

xakko

hi Kirayoshi, LoneRaven!

 

LoneRaven

hey there

 

xakko

Phoenix was in Spider-Man & his Amazing Friends? really? wow

 

Kirayoshi

Hey all.

 

Kirayoshi

Read it.

 

Amokitty

Just a cameo, Xak. Technically it wasn't even HER. The friends were at a comic book themed dance.

 

Kirayoshi

And seriously, did you really think Joss was gonna make it easy for Peter and Kitty?

 

LoneRaven

i highly doubt it

 

Amokitty

I thought he might give 'em a little longer than this! Bad Joss!

 

Kirayoshi

So, what else are we discussing?

 

xakko

oh, i remember that one

 

Amokitty

Spider-Man and his amazing Friends.

 

Kirayoshi

I figure we'll see a serious discussion between them before the final throwdown on Breakworld.

 

Kirayoshi

Oh god why?

 

xakko

X-23's "voice"

 

Amokitty

Unfortunately that will happen in the year 2010, K.

 

LoneRaven

yeah I could see them having a talk before that

 

LoneRaven

anyone think the end of the issue was completely random?

 

xakko

Amokitty is trying to vidcap the Kiotr scenes

 

xakko

the very end with SWORD?

 

Amokitty

Well I'm making screencaps of Kitty and Peter moments on the show, K! :)

 

Kirayoshi

I still wonder why SWORD is taking everyone to Breakworld?

 

Kirayoshi

Wouldn't it make more sense to keep Piotr as far away from Breakworld as possible?

 

LoneRaven

yeah

 

Kirayoshi

Or is Brand thinking, "Let him destroy Breakworld, that's one less headache for us"?

 

Amokitty

It DID seem random. I know Joss was going for shock value, but this seemed ..... completely out of place.

 

LoneRaven

yeah

 

LoneRaven

i was just like....what the? at the end

 

Amokitty

The whole issue was centered on emotional trigger issues. And then we have the fight with Danger and Ord. It seemed disjointed.

 

xakko

could SWORD be willing to surrender Petey to the Breakworldians?

 

Kirayoshi

Well, we did know that SWORD was on its way to the mansion as of two issues ago, and that Danger and Ord were already there.

 

Amokitty

Xak, knowing that Brand buried him beneath Benetech, I'm betting she'll do anything to get rid of him.

 

Kirayoshi

That seems more likely.

 

Kirayoshi

Here's a continuity gaffe for you;

 

Kirayoshi

At the beginning of the arc, we see Brand chatting with SHIELD director Hill.

 

Kirayoshi

But the rumors are all but confirmed that Hill won't be SHIELD director post-CW

 

Kirayoshi

So does that mean that this is all happening during CW?

 

Kirayoshi

And if so, howcome Cyke's powers still work in the CW: X-Men mini?

 

LoneRaven

I am not sure. No issues are really insync with each other

 

xakko

could be- it's a matter of days or hours

 

xakko

so it could be after CW X-Men but during Civil War

 

Kirayoshi

Plus we havent seen hide nor hair of the ONE squad, which makes me think that Scott at one point after CW will tell them to get off the lawn!

 

LoneRaven

they've appeared in new x-men

 

Amokitty

It's so confusing. How is Joss supposed to bring Fury back in the book if Maria Hill was supposed to be in charge - according to HIM? I see your point, K.

 

LoneRaven

and in x-men

 

Kirayoshi

Considering the big rumor regarding SHIELD after the dust settles?

 

Amokitty

You mean.........ssshhhhhh...... Tony?

 

Kirayoshi

I dunno.

 

Kirayoshi

They're gonna have to do a lot of justification or retconning to make me think of Tony as a hero after this.

 

xakko

does that necessarily mean Hill doesn't have any position in SHIELD post Civil War? (i'm not following it, so i dunno)

 

Amokitty

Me too. Stark is looking like one of his own villains these days.

 

LoneRaven

i don't even see the point of civil war, really

 

Kirayoshi

The point is to sell books.

 

Amokitty

Oh god, LoneRaven me neither. I'm so tired of "must buy" series that crossover everywhere, and then make little sense because all the different writers aren't on the same page.

 

Kirayoshi

And for that it's working.

 

LoneRaven

yeah

 

Kirayoshi

What Marvel needed to do was actually commit the SHRA to paper and publish it in the first issue, so that the fans and the writers would have a reference point.

 

xakko

makes me glad i'm not buying it

 

LoneRaven

im not buying it either

 

Kirayoshi

Nor I.

 

LoneRaven

I did by X-men Civil War, but only because I'm a Domino fan.

 

LoneRaven

buy*

 

Kirayoshi

Oh, and of course the real goal of CW is to make Spider-Man's life a living hell for the next five years or so.

 

Kirayoshi

So hel'

 

Kirayoshi

So he'll be "relatable"

 

Kirayoshi

After all, no one wants to see heroes that, oh, y'

 

Kirayoshi

y'know, SUCCEED or anything!

 

Amokitty

I'm tired of all the death too. New Warriors, Alpha Flight, Banshee, the x-kids, now Astonishing.... I'm tired of stupid marketing ploys. If the writers gave a damn half as much as we do, then death would happen a LOT less frequently.

 

xakko

gah, true that.

 

LoneRaven

oh god i know

 

LoneRaven

the x-kids death is ridiculous. some died pretty much every issue for a bit.

 

Kirayoshi

I still say no one's gonna die at the end of Joss's run.

 

LoneRaven

i think someones going to 'kill' wolverine

 

LoneRaven

then he'll spring back

 

Amokitty

Kirayoshi, I really, really, really hope you're right!!!

 

Kirayoshi

I say that Peter's going to remain on Breakworld, and that Kitty might end up joining him.

 

xakko

that would almost be ideal, K

 

Kirayoshi

Which will keep them off the books for awhile but allow them to return.

 

xakko

can you imagine if Ellis or Millar got their hands on Astonishing after Joss?

 

Kirayoshi

OY!

 

Kirayoshi

Or

 

Kirayoshi

No way Kitty ends up dying.

 

Kirayoshi

Not while Claremont's still working at Marvel!

 

Amokitty

It worries me how everybody and his brother seem so certain that Kitty or Peter will die. And what's worse, they're happy with the idea!

 

LoneRaven

they are probably the most idealistic to die

 

LoneRaven

looking at sales wise

 

xakko

yeah. i don't get that.

 

LoneRaven

them or hank

 

LoneRaven

but i don't know.

 

Amokitty

Hank I could see because it would pull at some emotional strings, but he isn't central to the book and thus expendable. But then I've heard the same about Colossus.

 

Kirayoshi

Plus the pattern of Joss screwing up any couple he writes.

 

Kirayoshi

The only couple he's ever given a happy ending was Willow and Kennedy, and that was the one on one was rooting for!

 

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LoneRaven

yeah

 

Amokitty

Hi there!

 

Kirayoshi

Hey there Mel!

 

xakko

hi melodyrider!

 

melodyrider

Hi everyone! Room for one more?

 

Kirayoshi

One of us, one of us...

 

xakko

certainly!

 

Amokitty

Joss should surprise all of us by letting Kitty and Peter stay together! How novel would that be for him!

 

Amokitty

I hope we get a houseful tonight MR. :)

 

xakko

he really needs to break out of that rut he's been in where he kills his favorite characters

 

xakko

he needs to develop as a writer by expanding into happy endings

 

Kirayoshi

Aw, that's no fun!

 

LoneRaven

well a happy ending every now and then can't kill ya

 

melodyrider

Well, if nothing else, there's certainly nothing that a meddling Editor can do to object to the relationship this time :)

 

xakko

well, he likes Emma too... (i kid, i kid- i don't want anyone to die)

 

Amokitty

I agree, Xak. It would be new territory for Joss.

 

Amokitty

I'm tired of death!!! That whole concept in the MU has been done to.... well you get my meaning.

 

Kirayoshi

I will give Joss credit for how he saved Hank in the latest issue.

 

melodyrider

That was fun, and so Hank

 

LoneRaven

yupp i enjoyed that as well

 

Kirayoshi

Am I the only one who hears Anthony Head's voice when he reads Hank's dialogue?

 

Kirayoshi

Especially when Joss writes it?

 

Amokitty

I want to get their personal reactions to these developments. I want inside Hank's head as he deals with this. That's why I felt the issue was rushed.

 

xakko

i genuinely enjoyed the issue. it confirmed a lot of our speculation, and still kept me engaged

 

Kirayoshi

Maybe we'll see some of that next issue.

 

Amokitty

I fell in love with Anthony Head thanks to a coffee commercial thank you very much!

 

Kirayoshi

It was well handled, although it left more plotlines dangling than usual.

 

Kirayoshi

You should have seen him on Doctor Who a few weeks ago.

 

Kirayoshi

He makes a great villain!

 

LoneRaven

it was kind of rushed to me. and no lockheed either from what i remember.

 

Amokitty

Mark was mentioning that, K!

 

Amokitty

Yeah, where the hell's Lockheed? Is he in the ship too, but we didn't see it happen? Will Kitty find out next ish?

 

xakko

i think it's clear there's more for Lockheed from Joss

 

melodyrider

I don't know why he's being treated like a traitor by so many people. He was clearly antsing to help the X-Men in issue 17

 

Kirayoshi

I'm sure we

 

Kirayoshi

we won't find out anytime soon. :D

 

xakko

no, we won't.

 

xakko

is 19 still scheduled for December tho'?

 

Amokitty

Joss has something up his sleeve with Lockheed, I just know it. After all, he came out of no where and handed Ord's ass to him in #2. I can not see him betraying Kitty.

 

melodyrider

But then, Lockheed's always been an enigma, so I'm okay with that :)

 

Kirayoshi

I have no idea at this point.

 

Amokitty

So far it is, Xak. I never count on it til my LCS guy tells me that he's seen it himself on the Diamond shipping list.

 

Kirayoshi

So I've been here for twenty minutes and we haven't even once mentioned J. Harper'

 

Kirayoshi

and his latest chapter of Deathless?

 

melodyrider

I thought it was fantastic!

 

xakko

Shari and i talked about it before you got here

 

Amokitty

We talked about him earlier, K. Let's talk some more Deathless!!!!

 

xakko

how dare he leave us hanging like that!

 

Amokitty

Yeah, what he said!

 

Kirayoshi

That's what I get for showing up late!

 

xakko

too many cliffhangers, but lord, that was amazing

 

Kirayoshi

OY!

 

Kirayoshi

Anyone else stand up and cheer when Piotr looked at Kitty just before confronting Koschei?

 

melodyrider

He really knows how to write amazing battles and dialogue

 

xakko

well, i didn't stand up, but i think my wife wondered why i went "yeah!"

 

Amokitty

It was fantastic. His fight scenes are filled with tension and fear and action and realism..... hallmarks of great writing there.

 

Kirayoshi

I see that you've posted on ff.net, Mel.

 

Amokitty

How IS Deb, Xak? Will she stop by one of these days?

 

melodyrider

Yeah, I'm having trouble getting used to it, though. It doesn't like certain symbols

 

Kirayoshi

You may have to experiment with html while posting.

 

xakko

she's doing ok... she's up to her eyeballs in a DVD project she needs to finish by Thanksgiving

 

Kirayoshi

Sometimes when I post, I have to adjust the document or I end up with an inch of space between paragraphs.

 

Amokitty

That sounds like fun! Please give Deb my regards and my hope that she visits again. :)

 

melodyrider

I wish they had a guide to help with how it translates documents. That way I could plan ahead of time

 

xakko

i'll pass it on... actually, i was going to run upstairs for a bit, so i'll let her know now

 

Amokitty

Tell her I said, "Hi!".

 

Kirayoshi

Same here.

 

Amokitty

When is YOUR next chapter out, K? You can't leave us hanging!

 

xakko

done and done

 

Kirayoshi

I'm working on it.

 

melodyrider

Hear hear! And the same to you, Xakko! :)

 

Kirayoshi

I'm almost finished with my Kim Possible fic.

 

Kirayoshi

Then I'll dive into Family Reunions.

 

Amokitty

LoneRaven, if you're here - do you have another video project you're working on? Inquiring minds wanna know. :D

 

LoneRaven

hahaha umm not at the moment

 

xakko

gah, i thought i was going to sneak by

 

melodyrider

You write too well for us to forget about you

 

Kirayoshi

You know what song would work for a Kiotr video, Xak?

 

xakko

hey mel, what do you do to keep "

 

xakko

er, "in the mood to write"?

 

Kirayoshi

"Malagina Salarosa" by Chingon.

 

Amokitty

You have great style in your work. I loved how in your Kiotr video you showed clips of Kitty wearing her glasses and Kitty with "Lockheed". Also the metaphor of her being 'stuck' was very appropriate.

 

Kirayoshi

It's in the closing titles of Kill Bill 2

 

xakko

i don't think i know that one...

 

Kirayoshi

Just look up "Salarosa" on YouTube.

 

xakko

gotcha...

 

melodyrider

That's a tough question, actually...

 

MadR joined.

 

 

Kirayoshi

It's a rock version of a traditional Mexican folk song.

 

Amokitty

Rose! Hi there!

 

Kirayoshi

Mad!

 

MadR

Hi all

 

xakko

hey rose, how are you? feeling any better?

 

melodyrider

Hi Mad!

 

Amokitty

How's everything with you, dear?

 

Amokitty

Are you sick, rose??

 

MadR

A little better. God bless cough syrup w'codine

 

Kirayoshi

Try some hot chai tea, Mad.

 

Amokitty

I LOVE codine. God Bless Tylenol 3's too. ;)

 

Kirayoshi

That always works when I have a sore throat.

 

MadR

Cup a chammomile and hibiscus right now.

 

melodyrider

A lot of times Xak, I'll picture a fantastic scene in the issue that I deperately want to write, and I'll work on the stuff before that as an excuse to get to that scene

 

Kirayoshi

That reminds me, I gotta pick up some nutmeg and maple extract tomorrow.

 

xakko

cool... that might work for the next project i was thinking of

 

melodyrider

Chai's the best, Kirayoshi! Have you ever had a chai nog?

 

Amokitty

Are you cooking this year, K?

 

Kirayoshi

Oregon Chai Nog? Oh yeah!

 

Kirayoshi

I found a pumpkin pie recipe a few years ago and I've had pie duty for Thanksgiving ever since.

 

Amokitty

Hah!!!!

 

Kirayoshi

Three tips for a different pumpkin pie, gang;

 

melodyrider

*takes out notepad*

 

Amokitty

I'm making dinner for just Mark and me on Wed. night; then we go to my in-laws on Thurs.

 

Kirayoshi

1) replace one egg and a quarter cup of sugar with 3/4 cups of eggnog.

 

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melodyrider

Mr Harper!!

 

J_Harper

Hallo.

 

Amokitty

Jeremy! Great to see you!

 

xakko

hi jeremy!

 

MadR

Hi Jeremy

 

xakko

* punches Jeremy in the arm, but gently, 'cause the chapter was awesome even if he left us all hanging

 

J_Harper

Hey there. Hope everyone is doing all right.

 

Kirayoshi

2) When prepping the crust, melt a cup of semi-sweet chocolate chips in the microwave and spread it on the crust, then refrigerate while making the filling.

 

Kirayoshi

Hey Harper!

 

MadR

Loved the new chapter of Deathless, haven't been coherent enough to review (coughs)

 

melodyrider

Damn, Kirayoshi, I'm salivating already! :)

 

Kirayoshi

3) Last ten minutes of baking, add a half cup of pecan halves.

 

J_Harper

Hope you're okay, Rose.

 

Amokitty

Thank God this is gonna be on the transcript. I won't miss Kirayoshi's recipe!! You should think about posting them on your LJ, K!

 

Kirayoshi

Just giving my tips for my famous Chocolate Pecan Pumpkin Pie!

 

melodyrider

...until you mentioned the pecans ::dry

 

MadR

Kirayoshi, sounds a hellava lot better than a frozen Mrs Smiths!

 

Kirayoshi

What's wrong with pecans?

 

melodyrider

Most of the time, nothing, but I've never really liked them on pie. I am awful that way

 

Amokitty

Pecans are wonderful! But then I was raised in the South. You GOTTA love pecans there! Yum! I SO want to try that pie, K!!

 

Kirayoshi

Well, the texture of this pie is different from your regular pecan pie, plus the pecans aren't caramelized or anything like that.

 

melodyrider

Got a point, there

 

Kirayoshi

Plus the chocolate on the crust prevents the pumpkin filling from making the crust soggy when it bakes.

 

Kirayoshi

And remember to wrap the outside of the crust with a thin strip of aluminum foil while baking so it won't scorch.

 

melodyrider

I made a pumpkin cream pie for a baking contest at work, once. It placed pretty well

 

Amokitty

I am so very, very hungry now....... ;)

 

Kirayoshi

Another interesting change of pace, although I've never made one myself; pumpkin cheesecake.

 

Amokitty

Think about posting your recipes, K. I'm serious!

 

Kirayoshi

I'm debating whether or not I really want to do anything with livejournal.

 

Amokitty

If you post yours, I'll post mine!

 

Lia joined.

 

 

melodyrider

Hi Lia!

 

Kirayoshi

Ah Lia!

 

J_Harper

I can't cook. I keep wanting to teach myself - I have the equivalent of Cooking For Dummies - The Red Betty Crocker cookbooky - but I've never mustered the enthusiasm for it.

 

MadR

Hi Lia

 

Amokitty

Lia, how wonderful! Hi!

 

Kirayoshi

and other Dio songs!

 

Lia

hey guys! How's everyone doing?

 

xakko

hi Lia!

 

Amokitty

Oh god, 80's flashback there, K. Heh.

 

J_Harper

My sweetie is here! ::wub

 

MadR

Martian death flu, bleah.

 

Kirayoshi

You two want a private chatroom?

 

melodyrider

lol

 

J_Harper

Heh. I'm not ashamed of my love. ::wub

 

Amokitty

Rose is sick, but joining us anyway bless her heart. And Kirayoshi is making us all hungry!

 

J_Harper

I'm like Satchal that way.

 

Lia

Sorry you're sick Rose. I know your pain.

 

LoneRaven

i have to go. goodbye everyone : )

 

J_Harper

Lia is pretty beat this week. :/

 

Kirayoshi

Aw, so soon?

 

J_Harper

Take care of yourself, LoneRaven.

 

xakko

awww... thanks for stopping by LoneRaven, take care!

 

Amokitty

Actually, they CAN chat privately here, K. It's part of the options here. a private chat while the public one is going on.... this place has lots of bells and whistles.

 

Lia

Goodnight, LoneRaven!

 

LoneRaven

goodnight

 

Kirayoshi

Oh really...

 

melodyrider

Night Loneraven!

 

Amokitty

Night!

 

Kirayoshi

Later, Rave,

 

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xakko

K, my spanish is really poor... but the song's pretty cool

 

Kirayoshi

It is a cool song, ain't it?

 

Kirayoshi

And at the end of a real cool movie too!

 

J_Harper

Anyhow, what do people think of the idea of Brand bringing Peter in chains to the Breakworld?

 

Amokitty

Did you have a rough week, Lia?

 

Kirayoshi

Brand's an idiot!

 

Amokitty

Ord's an idiot too!

 

MadR

I really didn't expect that SWORD would show up, no

 

melodyrider

I think I just felt a chill

 

Lia

Yeah, I caught whatever bug was going around the workplace. It's not too bad anymore though.

 

xakko

maybe lockheed saves the day, frees Piotr?

 

J_Harper

Probably smarter than Hill, or whoever is running SHIELD right now.

 

Kirayoshi

A potted plant is smarter than Hill!

 

MadR

Xak, now that would be cool.

 

Lia

I don't think Hill will be in charge for much longer.

 

Amokitty

I hope everybody's over this before Thurs.!

 

J_Harper

If Lockheed has a secret spaceship like Nibbler... I'm not sure what to think.

 

xakko

did Lockheed start accepting Colossus simply because Kitty was with Wisdom?

 

Kirayoshi

The rumor is that Tony Stark may be taking over SHIELD.

 

J_Harper

Anyone hoping Iron Man gets pulped during the Hulk War?

 

Kirayoshi

Why wait?

 

Kirayoshi

Let's pulp him at the end of CW!

 

Kirayoshi

Have the Negative Zone prisoners break out!

 

Amokitty

I'm down with that.

 

xakko

i say we pulp him now! Tony (in disguise): I say we let him go!

 

J_Harper

Ah well, nuts to it. I'm more interested in Astonishing, anyhow.

 

Amokitty

Reed has been an ass, too. Can we beat him up for Sue?

 

Kirayoshi

I still want to see Kitty deal with having her memories rewritten.

 

Kirayoshi

Anyone remember an episode of Star Trek Deep Space 9 where O'

 

Kirayoshi

O'Brien was implanted with memories of being in prison?

 

Amokitty

Kitty and Peter now share the same trauma thanks to Joss. I don't think its coincidence.

 

J_Harper

Yeah, I saw that.

 

MadR

Saw that Deep Space 9

 

Kirayoshi

That's what Kitty's ordeal reminded me of.

 

Kirayoshi

Powerful stuff.

 

Lia

I think she'll beable to work past it. Maybe it'll even help them.

 

Kirayoshi

I got the impression that Cassandra implanted Kitty's memories of being imprisoned because of Peter's ordeal.

 

Kirayoshi

She drew it from Kitty's memory and had her relive it herself.

 

MadR

My question: I know the content is more traumatic, but how is this different from House Of M, really?

 

J_Harper

I hope so. I must admit, this issue has whet my appetite for the next six.

 

Amokitty

I hope so, Lia. Especially in light of the fact that EVERYBODY seems to think that one of them will die.

 

Kirayoshi

You mean seven, right?

 

melodyrider

True, does't she have a full lifetime of memories from that as well?

 

J_Harper

Because Whedon has legit talent and Bendis is a hack who got lucky?

 

Kirayoshi

He is doing a Giant-Sized Annual thing after issue 24, right?

 

Lia

Is it for sure someone will die, or just that someone won't come back?

 

xakko

so, we're up for a road trip to... convince Joss for a very special wedding in his annual?

 

melodyrider

I saw a poster at my local comic shop advertising Unstoppable

 

xakko

Blindfold only says that not everyone will return

 

melodyrider

It had the words "Die Trying" written across it

 

MadR

So Kitty's had some experience with alternate memories....

 

Kirayoshi

Lovely.

 

Amokitty

Yes, Xak. We're ARMED and ready!

 

J_Harper

She may be including Ord and Danger among those who don't return?

 

Kirayoshi

Plus we more or less established that this all takes place post CW.

 

MadR

Maybe if we make a bigger noise on LJ, Xak. Whedon read Likeadeuce's 18 review....

 

Lia

Well if someone has to die, I have my fingers crossed for Emma. And hopefully not in some final act or redemption.

 

Amokitty

He did???!!!!!

 

MadR

mentioned it on Whedonesque, apparently thought the Bruce Springsteen soundtrack was funny

 

J_Harper

She gets hit by a Breakworld bus!

 

xakko

Likeadeuce?

 

Amokitty

Amazing, Rose! What did she think of this?

 

MadR

Writes Scottfic, I recced her karaoke story?

 

MadR

She was more interested in the Emma arc.

 

Kirayoshi

Does she know Slickboy444?

 

Kirayoshi

His main pairing is Scott/Jean, but he usually includes some Peter/Kitty in his stories.

 

MadR

I'm not sure, I mostly read her fic entires....

 

Amokitty

So Joss reads LJ..... Joss likes Kiotr...... nah......

 

Kirayoshi

Slickboy did a big honkin' Zero Tolerance story set in the Evo Universe, where Senator Kelly joins forces with Reverend Stryker

 

Kirayoshi

Pretty high body count, IIRC.

 

MadR

I'd probably have to hide under my bed for a year if I got proof TPTB saw anything I wrote.

 

J_Harper

Possible. Stranger things have happened. I found out a day or two ago that Bruce Boxliter of Babylon 5 fame is a big Robert E. Howard fan.

 

Kirayoshi

Oh God!

 

Kirayoshi

Do NOT cast him as Conan!

 

J_Harper

Heck, when he was in Texas a year or so back he went 50 miles out of his way to visit Cross Plains and the Howard House.

 

Lia

I thought there was a rule that the writers weren't allowed to read ff, just so they can't be sued for stealing ideas?

 

J_Harper

Heh. I think he knows he isn't the Conan type.

 

melodyrider

That's devotion, all right

 

Amokitty

Well the comm's been seeing more activity lately, Rose. At least SOME people are noticing. Who knows? You might be right. We need to make a bigger noise!

 

Kirayoshi

I did hear that JMS is working on a new B5 movie though.

 

xakko

HEY JOSS! ARE YOU READING???

 

MadR

They can't read fanfic, but they can read meta---reviews, discussion, etc.

 

J_Harper

Well, they try to avoid it so to avoid possible litagation.

 

Amokitty

WE LOVE YOU, JOSS!!!!!!!!

 

J_Harper

Good. It'll get him off AMS and FF. :/

 

Amokitty

Heh, heh.....

 

Kirayoshi

If you are reading, Joss, just so you know, NOT EVERYONE LIKED SPUFFY!

 

MadR

There's a infamous flamewar between whatshisface from West Wing and Studio 60 and the Television Without Pity messageboard

 

Kirayoshi

Just had to say it.

 

Amokitty

LOL!

 

J_Harper

Technically, we're the ones who aren't suppose to be writing fan fic.

 

MadR

Hee!

 

J_Harper

The 'Not for profit' disclaimer you're suppose to use is a figleaf at best.

 

Kirayoshi

Joss has said in interviews that he approves of fanfic.

 

J_Harper

Doesn't mean WB does.

 

Amokitty

We'll love you more, Joss - if you let K&P live! ;)

 

melodyrider

I was very reluctant to start for that very reason

 

Lia

I would think they would like ff, since it's basically free publicity.

 

xakko

what can they do to us? we aren't making a profit, at best they can have it deleted, yes?

 

J_Harper

Honestly, you're safe because its not worth the hassel of prosecuting - we're very small potatos.

 

Amokitty

Yeah, Jeremy. I worry about my site sometimes in regard to that. We're all poor people here though!

 

MadR

I've never actually heard of anyone getting into trouble for fanfic though, maybe a cease and desist letter

 

Kirayoshi

I think that most corporations treat fanfiction as publicity.

 

xakko

although fanart? i am seriously considering trying to get some YearOne merchandise...

 

Kirayoshi

The only people who noticably go against fanfiction are some novelists, since they have more control over their properties.

 

melodyrider

True, but I have aspirations to published original work, and I'd hate to have this become a sticking point to that path

 

MadR

Some of the slash/adult stuff gets more flak...and more so in fandoms like Harry Potter.

 

J_Harper

Ultimately it depends on who holds the copyrights. Personally, I'm surprised J.K. Rowlings hasn't tried to shut down some of the more skeezier HP sites. Brrr....

 

Kirayoshi

For example, Anne McCaffery, Anne Rice and Linda K. Hamilton.

 

J_Harper

The list at FFNet.

 

Lia

Rowling said she wouldn't stop it, but that some of it worries her.

 

Amokitty

Harry Potter stories are endlessly entertaining. The pairings are so outrageous, I'm always laughing.

 

MadR

MelodyR: I've seen a few fanficcers cross over to pro-published....mostly you just have to keep your fic id sekrit

 

J_Harper

I remember that. Especially the girls who want to 'reform' Draco.

 

Kirayoshi

UGH!

 

Kirayoshi

Why do fanfic writers want to make the villains into heroes?

 

Lia

Reformed Draco is still better than the HP Twincest...

 

J_Harper

ACK!

 

Kirayoshi

OY!

 

Kirayoshi

MY EYES BLEED!

 

melodyrider

Yeah, my real name will not touch anything belonging to another party

 

J_Harper

God, baby. I almost had forgotten about that. Why did you have to remind me?

 

MadR

Dear lord, I cannot stand any of the weasleys, and so much of the fic is out there.

 

Amokitty

ha! Lots of Weasley brothers fics out there, I've noticed.

 

Lia

because I love your reaction to it.:)

 

xakko

i am suddenly glad i don't read HP fanfic.

 

J_Harper

Heh. Love you too, my sweet. :) ::wub

 

melodyrider

I'm going to have to take off. My wife and I are heading out with friends

 

Kirayoshi

I stumbled onto a fairly interesting Buffy/Harry fanfic once.

 

Amokitty

I only read a little, and it's all Rose's fault! :D

 

J_Harper

Take care of yourself.

 

MadR

Viktory forever!

 

Kirayoshi

Later, Me.

 

Lia

Goodnight! Take care.

 

Kirayoshi

mel.

 

MadR

Seeya Mel

 

Amokitty

Night.

 

xakko

g'nite

 

Kirayoshi

Cya.

 

Amokitty

Viktory!!!!!

 

melodyrider

Goodnight, everyone. It was a pleasure chatting with you!

 

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Kirayoshi

Anyway, in the story, Buffy discovered that she was adopted and that her real father was Voldemort.

 

Amokitty

Your rec for Rozarka was fantastic, Rose. Thanks for that!

 

xakko

glad mel could make it...

 

J_Harper

I'm feeling a little surprised people haven't started pelting me yet.

 

Kirayoshi

Giles took her to Hogwarts to protect her from Voldemort and she ends up falling for Harry(circa year 6).

 

MadR

Buffy Anne Riddle?

 

J_Harper

snort.

 

Amokitty

It's interesting, because he's not even a Kiotr fan.....

 

MadR

Hmm....I read one somewhere where Giles and Ethan go to check out a Dark Mark and get involved in the war.

 

Amokitty

Jeremy, why?

 

J_Harper

Cough... Cliffhanger...

 

Lia

Grr...you know my stance on that!

 

xakko

i hit you for that

 

J_Harper

Heh heh heh heh. :)

 

Kirayoshi

Yeah, about that, J...

 

Amokitty

LOL. Good things inspire all kinds of patience, Jeremy.

 

MadR

Honestly, Jeremy, just glad you haven't abandoned the story

 

Kirayoshi

EVIL! YOU ARE EVIL!

 

J_Harper

Lia was a trifle upset with me. ;)

 

Lia

You make me sad!

 

xakko

if we don't get results for several months, there will be bodily harm inflicted.

 

xakko

i'm just saying

 

Amokitty

Hah!!

 

J_Harper

I'm sorry baby. Actually, I promised Lia I'd try to start To Live Monday.

 

Amokitty

there's a good man!

 

Kirayoshi

back in a few minutes.

 

J_Harper

Actually, I've been writing a lot, lately.

 

Lia

Don't worry, he'll finish it soon. He's not allowed to sleep until the next chapter is done. That's the rule.

 

Amokitty

Bless you, Lia! You share our pain!

 

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J_Harper

Yesh. Did you know when you drink coke and pop rocks together, it makes you see ultraviolet? ;)

 

J_Harper

That's how I'm staying awake. ;)

 

Amokitty

I thought it would make you choke, and then you would see MANY pretty lights....

 

Amokitty

Poor Jeremy!

 

Lia

Good. Youre following the first rule. Now don't forget the other two things we discussed...

 

J_Harper

Not if you spit quick enough...

 

MadR

I've always said Nanowrimo is in november because leftover halloweeen candy is the only way to make word quotas

 

J_Harper

Peter/Kitty nookie and Emma getting hit by a bus?

 

Lia

Yesh.

 

J_Harper

My love makes such simple demands of me...

 

Amokitty

You know I appreciate ALL of you for coming. It means a lot given that some are sick and tired. Just not of the Chat. I'm grateful, guys. :)

 

J_Harper

I enjoy 'em. They are lots of fun.

 

xakko

hey, i'm still happy i've got a place to go

 

xakko

i think i'm irritating the hell out of the folks on CBR... even some of the LWW ones too

 

Lia

It's always fun getting to come and talk to people who are as obsessed with Kiotr as I am.:)

 

Amokitty

Lia's wishes are all of our wishes, Jeremy. Or do we have any Emma fans, here?

 

MadR

Love the chats and talking to y'all

 

Amokitty

god knows, we love you Rose!

 

J_Harper

Because you won't back down from the Ketes? Fuck 'em.

 

Amokitty

that's what Mark said, Jeremy!

 

J_Harper

I'm seriously thinking writing a fic called Emma Gets Hit by a Bus and Dies.

 

MadR

Bwa-ha-hah!

 

J_Harper

Oh, did Hunn track you to your journal, Amo, and call me out on his forum?

 

Lia

You make me so happy, sweetie.:)

 

Amokitty

I'm dying here......

 

Amokitty

Crying too......

 

MadR

We need an Emma Gets Hit By A Bus And Dies challenge!

 

J_Harper

I was initially thinking of calling it Emma Falls In a Sewer and Dies, but Lia convinced my buses are funnier.

 

xakko

i would love to meet a reasonable Kete, just once...

 

Lia

Nothing beats death by bus! Felicity proved it!

 

Amokitty

Not sure, J. Hunn is ignoring anything Kiotr related, it seems. I've also decided to not post at ComixFan anymore. Too hostile. No incentive to post there.

 

xakko

J Hunn is a troll

 

J_Harper

Good. Life is stressful enough without getting into fights about such things. It's just something either you or Xak said on your journal made me think he called me out.

 

J_Harper

I can't believe they reprimanded you.

 

Amokitty

It's not just Hunn, either. There doesn't appear to be any Kiotr fans at all. No one wrote who agreed with anything I said at all. Strange. do they ALL think alike?

 

J_Harper

Who knows? I honestly think there are a lot more Kiotr fans than you suspect. I know there are a lot of people who like Peter at CBRF. It's just the Ketes are loud mouths.

 

Amokitty

He is such an ass, he would dare anything, Jeremy.

 

MadR

Cut 'em loose if they're gonna act like that: hang out with us. We're the fun kind of obsessively insane!

 

xakko

i was a bit worried over at CBR in the Kitty-Wisdom thread, but i just can't let myself get pulled in and get upset over a pointless non-argument

 

Lia

I've lurked around on that thread. It seemed like the same couple of Ketes reciting the same circular logic every couple of posts.

 

Amokitty

Then why aren't the fans speaking? why is it just us?? Nobody have the guts to go against the conventional way of thinking at ComixFan? CBR is getting bad too.

 

J_Harper

I know a lot of people like Kiotr on RPGNet. It doesn't get talked about much though since Other Media is a wide-open forum, not a focused one.

 

J_Harper

Because perhaps we know its not worth the trouble. Also, Amo, don't be fooled in thinking that what goes on on a forum has anything to do with real life.

 

Amokitty

Crazy fun is good, Rose. :)

 

J_Harper

It's maybe like 1 percent of fandom, forums like that.

 

MadR

Nods: never posted on any comic forum, burnt out on arguing with idjits in previous Fandom

 

xakko

the X-books board on CBR has gotten rather... skewed of late. there's a certain clique that doesn't like Kiotr, there are the rather loud Ketes...

 

J_Harper

And, as you pointed out, I don't think those writers would keep using Peter and Kitty's relationship as a touchstone if it didn't have resonance, and the fans didn't like it.

 

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Amokitty

One guy in particular is being oh so British, and oh so patronizing to us ill informed Americans. I'm past tired of it, to be honest.

 

xakko

rehello K

 

Amokitty

Hey, K!!!

 

xakko

he should keep his sword in his scabbard, and possibly draw his brain

 

J_Harper

Hey K.

 

Kirayoshi

One of my systems was updating.

 

Kirayoshi

So I had to restart my computer

 

J_Harper

Nuts to him. Let's not talk about them anymore.

 

xakko

coolness

 

Amokitty

Xak, you crack me up!!!!

 

xakko

so, should i scrap my current section of Kits because i can't write X-23, and start over with my other idea, or what?

 

J_Harper

I'll say this much - I don't think I've ever met an obnoxious Kiotr fan. And I hope that it's not my bias saying that.

 

Kirayoshi

What I miss?

 

MadR

Agh, I hate starting over, but if it isn't working

 

Lia

what was your other idea, xakko?

 

Amokitty

It's not, Jeremy. I've LOOKED in forums to see if there similarities. It's not there. The fans glorify Wisdom to the point of acting JUST LIKE HIM.

 

J_Harper

That's good to know.

 

Kirayoshi

Maybe it's an attitude thing.

 

MadR

I had to scrap twelve pages of the next Essential Colossus because I changed pov without noticing....

 

J_Harper

Urk.

 

Amokitty

We're an honorable bunch of people, I think. I'm proud to know you guys.

 

Kirayoshi

Hate it when that happens.

 

MadR

Wisdom is a jackass. Piotr is a sweetheart. Is it the Nyquil or am I seeing a pattern here?

 

Kirayoshi

Hey, Mad, ETA on the wedding fic?

 

xakko

my other idea is to have Kitty take a shower and reflect, as opposed to talking to X-23. X-23 brings balance to the beginning of the story, but she's REALLY hard to write

 

Amokitty

Holy crap, Rose. I'm glad you haven't forgotten it though!

 

xakko

(especially since at this time frame she didn't even have a name)

 

J_Harper

Mary Sue!

 

Kirayoshi

Right...

 

J_Harper

God bless the fic writer who thought up that name for her.

 

MadR

Feeling guilty because I got sucked into the Batman Animated dvds when I felt well enough to write.

 

Kirayoshi

I think it was an old Star Trek fanfic where the OC was really named Mary Sue.

 

Kirayoshi

Don't feel guilty, Mad, BtAS is a badass show!

 

xakko

i think i'll just re-read NYX and try to find her voice

 

Amokitty

She is Xak. Though I think Darkstorm did a great job of writing X-23 in his latest fic.

 

Kirayoshi

I still say that they should have cast David Warner as Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins!

 

J_Harper

Yeah, I heard about that. Mary Sue is something of a misused term now, anyway. Basically, any character who you don't like and gets a lot of time focus is a Mary Sue.

 

Kirayoshi

I've also heard the term Willow Sue awhile back.

 

xakko

i prefer the "author insert" explanation, myself

 

MadR

Oh, I hate the mary sue thing. If you try to write an original character you have people yelling mary sue.

 

Kirayoshi

That's when, instead of creating an original character, you take an existing character and make him/her perfect or project your own personality into the character.

 

Kirayoshi

Happens a lot with Willow in BtVS, hence 'Willow Sue'.

 

Amokitty

The term Mary Sue is definitely becoming a negative catch all for whatever reason. But she is alive and well on FF.net still. Speaking of.... those ads are driving me nuts.

 

J_Harper

Have any of you ever had an emotional reaction to a scene you were writing in a story?

 

Kirayoshi

I did a scene in a BtVS story where Tara was dying from a brain tumor.

 

MadR

Other than 'i've rewrote this paragraph seven times and it still isn't workingl argh!' emotional reaction? Nah

 

Kirayoshi

The scene; Tara was leaving a final video-tape message to Buffy , asking her to take care of Willow for her. Couldn't write anything for the rest of the day after that.

 

xakko

not really, but in the research for one, yes

 

J_Harper

When I wrote the scene in To Slay, near the end, when Danila said goodbye to Peter, I teared up. I teared up again when I reread it. It just struck me as a little odd, I guess. I'm usually more detatched.

 

MadR

I think I write too much fluff: Coping Mechanism not withstanding

 

Kirayoshi

Hey, you know you'

 

Kirayoshi

you're good when that happens!

 

J_Harper

Heh. :) Thank you.

 

Lia

I usually get teary when I write. Not really in response to my actual writing though, more so in trying to feel the emotions of the characters. I just find it easier to write when I'm feeling sad.

 

Amokitty

Will we see any more of Danila? He might as well be Peter's brother. We should see him again!

 

xakko

this chapter was just full of Moment after Moment, Jeremy

 

J_Harper

You do emotions very well, my love.

 

J_Harper

I honestly don't know if we will, Amo.

 

Kirayoshi

Once we do this round-robin type story you suggested, J,

 

xakko

so, i have to ask this just because i'm curious - just how many "Illyana Returns" stories do you all have?

 

Amokitty

Fluff is NEVER bad if written well, Rose. It's a story like any other. You don't write sickeningly sweet stories. You keep things spiced and interesting.

 

Kirayoshi

We should do a story called "A Year and a Day"

 

J_Harper

Oh?

 

Kirayoshi

Have Solevey and crew come back to take on Piotr or something.

 

Amokitty

Lia, as I told you *I* cried reading your latest!  :)

 

Kirayoshi

They can't seek revenge against the X-Men, but Piotr didn't say anything about them seeking revenge on him!

 

xakko

it's such cozy, wonderful fluff, Rose. we have Joss pounding this characters into the ground every month, er, several times a year... it's always uncomfortable for them. we need to know they aren't completely miserable

 

Kirayoshi

Or have them seek a new master.

 

Lia

Awww, that's so sweet! I actually started working on that again, finally. Hopefully it'll be done in two weeks.

 

Kirayoshi

We haven't heard from Baba Yaga, have we?

 

J_Harper

Ah! That's a thought. And yes, Solovey definitely had that in mind when he spoke to Peter that last time.

 

Kirayoshi

Actually, Baba Yaga has appeared in Marvel comics!

 

Amokitty

Lia, that's wonderful! Fantastic news! Everybody is gonna love it!!!

 

J_Harper

Actually, I have a lot of plans for other mythic characters, so I'd like to keep them off limits for the round robin. But if you wanted to use a mythic in a flashback, feel free.

 

Kirayoshi

I think she put in an appearance in Marvel UK's Captain Britain title, when Jamie Delano was writing it.

 

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J_Harper

I'm very happy about that. Lia writing. :)

 

MadR

Thanks, guys. There's enough angst in RL sometimes, so I usually end up writing the fluffly.

 

xakko

hi DS!

 

Kirayoshi

I still want to do a story with Piotr and Juggernaut.

 

MadR

Hiya Dark storm

 

Amokitty

Darkstorm, I was just talking about you! Hi!

 

darkstorm5000

Hi everybody!

 

Kirayoshi

Somehow I also see Peter developing a taste for Johnny Cash music.

 

Lia

hi Darkstorm!

 

Kirayoshi

Darkstorm! Hail friend well met!

 

J_Harper

I've seen that incarnation. I'm going to ignore it, though. She looked like Medusa...

 

J_Harper

Hey Darkstorm!

 

darkstorm5000

You call, and I come 'a running I guess

 

Amokitty

ha! We hope come runnin' cause we're all so terribly interesting!!!!! so much so, you couldn't stay away!

 

Kirayoshi

And didn't one of Limbo's demons use the image of Baba Yaga to tempt Illyana in an issue of the X-Men once?

 

Kirayoshi

I think it was during the Australian arc, just before Inferno.

 

darkstorm5000

That must be it ::smile

 

xakko

yes, it was a great issue, too...

 

Lia

Yeah, I remember that one! I think it had Art Adams art.

 

Amokitty

Was that the ish where Illyana thought she brought peter back from the dead, K?

 

xakko

i thought it was Leonardi

 

J_Harper

I heard about that one, but never saw it. I actually have plans for Baba Yaga. Do you know in some of the stories, Baba Yaga and Koschei were lovers, or married. Think about that... That makes Peter her 'son'.

 

Kirayoshi

I thought it was Mark Silvestri.

 

xakko

is it up in the gallery yet?

 

Lia

Might have been Silvestri. I remeber I liked the cover.

 

Amokitty

Nope. Not yet. That a request, too? :)

 

Kirayoshi

I remember seeing a Russo-Finnish Ilya Muromets film on MST3K once.

 

Kirayoshi

Laughs galore!

 

Kirayoshi

I think it was called "The Sword and the Dragon" or somesuch.

 

J_Harper

heh, I saw one of them, too.

 

xakko

#231 of Uncanny, it was Rick Leonardi

 

MadR

Oh, I remember that, kinda

 

Kirayoshi

There was also one called "Jack Frost", that featured Baba Yaga, but she was played more for laughs.

 

Kirayoshi

Her chicken-legged house looked like something from HR Puffenstuf!

 

xakko

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=155

 

J_Harper

Actually, there are a few recent animated Russian films using the byliny and the skazi, but for comedy. There's one with Alyosha Popovitch, but he looks like a muscled brute - nothing like the trickster character in the actual legends.

 

Amokitty

They've got Soviet made Ilya Muromets movies on Netflix, K! Cheesiest Gorynytch you could imagine! It was great.

 

xakko

and yes, i'll request that one too, Shari

 

Amokitty

Thanks Xak!

 

Kirayoshi

Plus the 'Jack Frost' character was more accurately Grandfather Frost, the Russian equivalant of Father Christmas or Santa Claus.

 

J_Harper

And there's another film with Dobrynya and Gorynytch, animated. Gorynytch actually looked cute, and Dobrynya... Let's just say I'd have a hard time seeing him hew a pudding apart with a nine fold silken whip, let alone a Zmei.

 

Amokitty

Consider it done, Xak. :D

 

MadR

They kiddiefied it, huh, Jeremy?

 

J_Harper

Yup. Disneyfied it.

 

J_Harper

I'd love to see them though.

 

J_Harper

For curiosity's sake. They've made a lot of money in Russia.

 

MadR

Given Bloodline, I've been idly thinking about a X-Men Evo and Anastasia crossover....one o'these days.

 

Kirayoshi

Anyone consider doing a Colossus/Night Shift crossover?

 

J_Harper

Nightwatch? My friend Joe loves those movies. I haven't seen them yet, or read the books.

 

Kirayoshi

Oh, right, Night Watch.

 

Kirayoshi

I have that on my Netflix list.

 

Amokitty

OMG. Rose, that's an incredible idea. I would give a thousand hugs for something like that!

 

J_Harper

I'm just glad I didn't get anyone laughing hysterically when I brought out Gorynytch.

 

xakko

it'll beat Hine's disaster, Rose, i know it

 

Kirayoshi

Maybe we'

 

J_Harper

I think I'd kill for a pro-active Peter in the comics....

 

Kirayoshi

We'll have Kitty read a new version of that story; How the Gorynytch Stole Christmas!

 

Amokitty

Rose, the historical bent is one of the reasons i love Deathless like I do; if we could see a story pre- or post October Revolution.... wow.

 

J_Harper

LOL!

 

Amokitty

K!!! So funny......

 

Kirayoshi

I had a cute idea for a flashback scene;

 

MadR

I'm torn between plotlines on that though...either a Forge device malfunction and Kitty and Piotr end up in Russia and meeting up with Anya, Dmitri and Boris somehow....

 

Kirayoshi

Piotr telling Illyana(pre-Limbo) one of the Byliny as a bedtime story, then smiling as she falls asleep.

 

Kirayoshi

Then he turns around and sees Kitty leaning against the door frame, saying, "Well? What happened to Ilya Muromets and Solevey Rasboynik?"

 

J_Harper

I like that.

 

Amokitty

The Forge idea sounds very plausible. You could make this work.

 

MadR

or doing something with the spell from bloodline, reworking it a little, and during the big fight scene when the reliquary is cracked it brings Piotr to Rasputin instead of transferring Rasputin's soul to a descendant....

 

Amokitty

Awww. that would be wonderful, K.

 

MadR

and Kitty ends up tagging along because they were in the middle of an X Men/Acolyte fight and she was hanging off his shoulders or something.

 

xakko

oftentimes, one of the best parts of these chats is to just sit back and watch the creative energy flow

 

Amokitty

Using Bloodline would make it a darker fic, which would be quite intersting for Evo. Give it a little shake as it were. i like that.

 

J_Harper

I hope to start this round robin just so to see stuff like that. I'm curious about how you all will write how people react to Piotr being back. He's a lot different than he is in 616. He's perilous now, and frightening. And I'm not too sure I could write Storm and Kurt and especially Rachel.

 

Kirayoshi

This is true.

 

Amokitty

The ideas here are amazing. And the sheer volume of talent is .... fantastic for lack of a better word.

 

Kirayoshi

If this is in Evo, would the Bloodline spell be connected to Magneto's holding Illyana hostage?

 

MadR

I'm not sure....that could turn into something interesting.....oooh. Hell and Limbo!

 

Amokitty

Jeremy, your Storm was accurate and compassionate in chap. 6, was it..? You should give it a whirl.

 

J_Harper

P'rhaps.

 

Amokitty

Hell YES, Rose. that combo is one of the reasons I was hooked on Oldprydefan's RPG storyline.

 

xakko

would the tragedy of Illyana's stay in Limbo be at all lessened if it happened while she was being held by Magneto rather than staying with the X-Men?

 

J_Harper

BRB.

 

xakko

Piotr would probably be murderously angry at Mags over it, but would he feel any less guilty?

 

MadR

I'm thinking now...somehow Illyana ends up in Limbo while being held by Magneto....and magneto never tells Piotr he lost her?

 

Kirayoshi

Nice knowin' ya, Mags!

 

Kirayoshi

If Peter don't getcha, Remy will!

 

darkstorm5000

Like a ticking time bomb waiting to go off?

 

Kirayoshi

"Don't no one mess with my brother and get off without ol' Gambit settlin' accounts!"

 

Kirayoshi

Gambit is a tough guy to write dialogue for.

 

MadR

Hm, I think this might end up being a multichapter.

 

Amokitty

I think I personally prefer the Gambit of Evo over the Gambit of 616. Maybe it's because the Evo one hasnt been mucked with as much.

 

Kirayoshi

maintaining that Cajun accent without turning it into a cliche

 

MadR

Ech Gambit.

 

darkstorm5000

X:TAS has ruined me forever on his accent...

 

Amokitty

Darkstorm - lol! there is truth in that!

 

Kirayoshi

Never liked Rogue's accent in that cartoon.

 

Amokitty

All the voices were over the top, except Beast's.

 

xakko

how do you all feel about TAS vs Evo?

 

MadR

I've got cajun relatives never been out of the bayou...I have never heard anyone talk like that.

 

xakko

I just... TAS tries so hard to be the comics, and falls short, imo

 

Kirayoshi

Preferred the animation in Evo.

 

MadR

Evo was a lot better.

 

Kirayoshi

Not to sure about making Rogue a goth.

 

Kirayoshi

And thank God that Kitty dropped the valley girl accent after the second season!

 

Amokitty

That's a tough one. I liked the focus on claremont's stories in TAS. But the Evo version seemed a little more down to earth. More believable if you will.

 

darkstorm5000

I like them both, but for different reasons. TAS was pretty solid the first couple of seasons, Evo was just coming into its own when it got cancelled

 

Lia

Well I think Evo wins out just for having Kitty. As opposed to TAS where they had Kitty but renamed her Jubilee.

 

Kirayoshi

And instead of Avalanche they should have named him Richtor.

 

xakko

i didn't like the naming conventions in Evo, but it just seemed like TAS ignored most of my favorites in lieu of Wolverine and Jubilee.

 

Amokitty

Oh, I absolutely agree, Lia. Jubilee was a huge let down for me. She wasn't written much like her actual character at all.

 

MadR

Well, I got into X Men when Evo was on the Cartoon Network and the WB so I may be a little biased.

 

Kirayoshi

Didn't they try pairinig Kitty with Nightcrawler at first on Evo?

 

Lia

It seemed like they were heading that way, but goy sidetracked witht he Kitty/Lance thing.

 

Amokitty

Few animated series have really captured Kitty or Peter with any faithfulness to continuity. Not gonna stop me from posting all of the screenpics with them though.

 

Kirayoshi

Never saw the chemistry between those two.

 

Amokitty

kurt had a little bit of a crush didn't he?

 

Kirayoshi

Besides, didn't he nearly end up killing her parents in their first appearance?

 

MadR

Yeah, Lance is an immature idiot, that's why I never liked the pairing

 

xakko

kurt crushed on kitty, but they used it to mirror her being "creeped out" by him in the comics.

 

xakko

fairly well at that, i thought

 

MadR

And I think the Kurt/Kitty thing was because they were the same age and on the same team more than anything else

 

J_Harper

I liked Evo Kurt better than the version in Pryde.

 

Amokitty

Lance was a bad boy like Wisdom. I've always wondered if the Kete concept was what inspired Lance and Kitty together.

 

Kirayoshi

Plus the fact that Kurt sounded like Jackie Chan!

 

darkstorm5000

That is an interesting point, Amo

 

xakko

i think that was mentioned in the Unauthorized X-men

 

Amokitty

Really???

 

J_Harper

The Brotherhood in Evo would mess up a Teddy Bear's Picnic.

 

Kirayoshi

Same guy did Jackie's voice in that Jackie Chan Adventures cartoon.

 

xakko

there was definitely something about the Kitty/Lance arc...

 

MadR

In one of the extra

 

Amokitty

Huh. I'll be damned.

 

Kirayoshi

I think, anyway.

 

xakko

about being with the "bad guy"... i don't think Wisdom was mentioned

 

Kirayoshi

Hey, I was surprised to learn that Ron Stoppable has the same voice as Terry McGuinness in Batman Beyond!

 

MadR

In one of the dvd extras they made an interesting point about Lance and Scott positions as leaders...and Lance having pretty much no guidance

 

Lia

Was the guy who did Ron Stoppable also the big brother in Boy Meets World?

 

Kirayoshi

I think so, yeah.

 

MadR

Yeah, there was an 'I'm Batman' joke in Boy Meets World

 

darkstorm5000

I'd heard that too, that Lance was Scott, but without discipline

 

Kirayoshi

There was a funny ep of Kim Possible where Ron meets a deranged actor who thought he was a retired crimefighter called the Fearless Ferret, and the guy convinced Ron to become his successor.

 

Amokitty

Lance is so utterly opposite from Kitty in terms of shared values that I don't understand why Lancitty remains so popular. Makes you wonder if the majority of Evo fans have read the comics.

 

Kirayoshi

They even did a parody of the upside-down kiss from the first Spider-Man movie.

 

J_Harper

Snerk... The Fearless Ferrit. Anything like Fearless Fodrick?

 

MadR

My favorite of the Batman Animated Series had Adam West as an actor who played Brucie-boy's favorite superhero, the Gray Shost

 

Kirayoshi

It was a dead-on parody of the 60s Batman, complete with Adam West's voice!

 

MadR

Ghost

 

Kirayoshi

That was a cool ep.

 

xakko

Adam West really craves attention, but that was one of his best appearances

 

darkstorm5000

From my experience, I don't think the majority of Evo or movie fans have read the comics. Not that I'm knocking them for it, just something that I've always tried to keep in mind

 

MadR

The Lancitty thing is just the bad-boy thing. Cheap Romeo-and-Juliet romaticism

 

Kirayoshi

Check out the Fearless Ferret episode for more Adam West-y Goodness.

 

Kirayoshi

I think West also plays the mayor Gotham in that new Batman cartoon.

 

J_Harper

Why not the Fearless Naked Mole Rat?

 

Lia

Plus I think a lot of evo writers tend to be younger, and they like the bad boys being redeemed thing, just like with Draco in HP.

 

Kirayoshi

The Ferret was a short-lived TV show, and the actor who played him(Adam West) was deluded into thinking he really was the hero.

 

Amokitty

Makes one wonder if the majority of Lancitty fans are teens and pre-teens then, Rose. Most adults wouldn't fall for a cheap ploy like that.

 

J_Harper

They do seem to skew younger. At least, it looks like it when I look at FFNet.

 

Kirayoshi

You'd think that Colossus and Kitty would do the R&J thing better, with Colossus being in Magneto's camp and all.

 

MadR

There are some bad-boy redemption arcs that I love, but it has to work.

 

xakko

adults (i think) are falling for Kete

 

Amokitty

then again, it WAS an animated Saturday morning show.... heh. what was I thinking??

 

Kirayoshi

Actually I stumbled onto a Kiotr fic in the Evo section of ff.net that takes a page from Shakespeare.

 

J_Harper

Speaking of the Pit of Voles, or escape from it, do you have any plans on hosting fan fiction here, Amo?

 

Kirayoshi

Essentially a remake of Much Ado About Nothing, with Peter and Kitty as Claudio and Hero, and Remy and Rogue as Benedict and Beatrice.

 

xakko

you have me curious, K... i'll have to check that out

 

MadR

The writer has to really show the character's remorse and desire to change instead of speeding through it to the easy 'Ima good guy now, k?"

 

Kirayoshi

Kurt is Don Pedro, Pietro is Don John, and Scott is Dogberry.

 

Kirayoshi

In other words, everything that Spike in season seven of Buffy WASN'T!

 

Amokitty

I do, K. It's just that I have so many irons in the fire at the moment. But yes, Mark and I plan to do that hopefully around the beginning of the year or so. You interested in contributing???? crosses fingers....

 

J_Harper

You're more than welcome to archive my work, if you want to.

 

Kirayoshi

Contributing for what, specifically?

 

Kirayoshi

I think I'm three conversations behind here.

 

Amokitty

Oh, and I won't have any limitations on ratings or songfics. thought you should know, and hope it entices you!

 

MadR

Yup, Angel/Spike is a good example of one who wants to be redeemed and one who wants to get away with being evil but impressing the girl

 

xakko

it'd be nice to have a fanfic that i didn't have to worry about ffnet deleting

 

Amokitty

Fics, K.

 

MadR

Kirayoshi: someday the kiotr site will have a fanfic archive

 

Kirayoshi

About time!

 

Amokitty

Thank you, Jeremy. :) Then shall i contact you when the thing's up and running?

 

xakko

a rival for "Fonts of Wisdom", but good?

 

Kirayoshi

I haven't even tried to post "Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again" on ff.net due to their ban on songfics.

 

J_Harper

Sure. Just let me know.

 

Kirayoshi

Let em know and I'll send you my documents.

 

Amokitty

hee! I'm trying, K! Right now, I can't even get a guest book going....

 

Amokitty

That was never the idea, Xak, but since you mention it...... heh. :)

 

J_Harper

As long as we take the high road.

 

xakko

always.

 

J_Harper

I'm curious how Peter and Pete deal with each other in your story, K.

 

Kirayoshi

Given that Fonts of Wisdom has almost abandoned Kete for Spuffy, it'd be like kicking a dead horse!

 

xakko

the Wisdom series may change that. it's really stirred things up

 

J_Harper

Lia told me the first book was awful.

 

Lia

I looked over that in the store. It was awful.

 

J_Harper

Jinx!

 

Amokitty

I'd bet that we'll see more Kete stories on Fonts of wisdom. That Wisdom mini is going to start everything going again.

 

Kirayoshi

I will admit to liking that "Many Happy Free-Turns" story I found there.

 

xakko

ketes loved it. universally.

 

Lia

Double jinx. You owe me a coke! But I'll settle for the next chapter of Deathless.;)

 

J_Harper

The fact of the matter is, it'll be lucky to sell 15000 and they'll be lucky to see Wisdom in Excalibur afterwards.

 

Amokitty

I tried to look see it at my LCS, but they never ordered it. Lack of interest. :D

 

J_Harper

Heh heh. :) done.

 

Kirayoshi

May I assume that Piotr was treated like a doormat as usual?

 

J_Harper

Eh, fuck 'em.

 

xakko

he shouldn't be in it... i know Wisdom calls the X-Mansion for Kitty, but Emma answers

 

Kirayoshi

Or did they completely ignore him in the book?

 

Amokitty

Piotr, thankfully was never mentioned, I've heard. But Kitty indirectly was.

 

Kirayoshi

I'll reserve judgement until I see the book myself.

 

Kirayoshi

I still say that Pete can be a compelling character when written right.

 

Kirayoshi

But when's the last time that happened, really?

 

Kirayoshi

On the other hand, I did like the writer's work in the new Doctor Who.

 

Kirayoshi

His "Father's Day" ep was a gutwrencher.

 

Lia

here's some of the book up on scans daily: http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/2645724.html#cutid1

 

Kirayoshi

I'll check it out later/

 

Amokitty

So why keep him around as a character? If it weren't for Claremont, Wisdom would STILL be in limbo.

 

J_Harper

How far along are you with your next chapter of Bloodlines: Reunions, K?

 

Amokitty

OOOOhh, link!

 

Amokitty

Thanks muchly, Lia!

 

Kirayoshi

You mean Family Reunion?

 

Kirayoshi

Slow but steady wins the race.

 

J_Harper

Yup.

 

Kirayoshi

I have the next chapter more or less plotted.

 

J_Harper

Good, good.

 

Lia

I think Claremont wanted to use Wisdom just to piss off Ellis.

 

Kirayoshi

Once scene I have in mind; Kitty tells Illyana how Professor X convinced her to deceive Piotr into returning from Asteroid M.

 

J_Harper

Heh.

 

Kirayoshi

Illyana's responce; "

 

Amokitty

I wonder if it worked?

 

Kirayoshi

"Wow, you were right, Kitty. Xavier IS a jerk!"

 

MadR

Kirayoshi, Heh.

 

J_Harper

Well, everyone using his characters seems to have annoyed him. Turn about is fair play.

 

Amokitty

True.

 

xakko

i don't doubt that Lia, especially with the "don't touch me" line in New Excalibur #1

 

Kirayoshi

I did like how Melodyrider handled him in his Kitty Pryde fanfic.

 

MadR

What I liked about the New Excalibur was that Piotr wasn't mentioned, but there was definitely some subtext there.

 

Kirayoshi

He was respectful of their past together, but didn't have them try to recapture it.

 

xakko

we need to see Petey and Cain meet in canon

 

Amokitty

Exactly, Xak. Kitty PLAINLY wanted nothing to do with him. It's over. Gotta hand it to the Ketes though. They're a die hard bunch. Now THAT'S devotion.

 

Kirayoshi

Plus I liked the idea of Pete helping Kitty solve her mystery.

 

MadR

And the Harry Potter cameo in New Ex cracked me up...

 

Lia

Hee hee. Yeah, that was funny.

 

J_Harper

The thing that bugs me about the Ketes is that everything Ellis has written is sacred text when it comes to their boy, but anything written by another is worth spit. :/

 

Kirayoshi

I preferred the HP joke in AXM #1.

 

xakko

i have to give him credit too, K

 

Kirayoshi

"Sorry I'm late. Did I miss the sorting hat?"

 

J_Harper

Claremont has always done little cameos like that. I remember the Elfquest references in Kitty's Fairy Tale. He and Byrne were big fans of that book.

 

Kirayoshi

There's been a Pryde-Wisdom thread on CBR, and they've been surprisingly civil about it.

 

Kirayoshi

Remember Claremont's Sovereign 7 for DC?

 

darkstorm5000

Didn't he throw in a Lois and Clark cameo back in the old Excalibur?

 

MadR

I remember Storm greeting a 'Mr Steele, Miss Holt' in passing in one of the Essentials. I love those little crossover hooks.

 

xakko

i need to get that K... is it any good?

 

J_Harper

I remember hearing about that.

 

Kirayoshi

It was interesting

 

xakko

that's New Mutants Special Edition #1, Rose

 

xakko

i want to see Violet Jones and Pansy Smith

 

Kirayoshi

But tripped up on too many plot threads

 

MadR

There are a lot of Lois, Clark, Jimmy Olson cameos

 

Kirayoshi

A common complaint about Claremont stories.

 

Amokitty

You just nailed it jeremy. No writer could ever compare to Ellis, despite the fact the man wrote for only 20 issues, and that happened to be 10 years ago. They don't want to accept anything else, and don't believe for a minute that they're being unreasonable about it. they're also a bunch of hypocrites. They don't see that the things they complain about could just as well apply to THEIR fandom.

 

Kirayoshi

Plus Logan, Kitty, Illyana, Neil Gaiman, Rick from Casablanca, Ramirez from Highlander and Pinky and the Brain!

 

Kirayoshi

All did cameos on Sovereign 7.

 

xakko

P&tB in Sovereign 7? I know PAD had them in the Hulk...

 

Amokitty

I like the cameos. they break the fourth wall, and it's funny.

 

J_Harper

It especially bugs me when they try to make the case that only Excalibur 92 counts for Peter's characterization, and nothing else he's done before and since, 'cept maybe Uncanny 183.

 

Kirayoshi

Last scene in a S7 one-shot; the heroes were wondering who was pulling their strings all along, and two shadows in the background start preparing for tomorrow night...

 

J_Harper

Ah, here I go complaining about them. I should buy a dead horse and paint Kete on it and beat it when I get the urge to complain about this.

 

xakko

as bad as 183 is for Peter, it's still not that bad- Kitty still says things like Peter has to be honest, and it being part of why she loves him

 

Kirayoshi

I also remember a P&tB reference in BtAS.

 

Amokitty

Which proves how unreasonable they really are. Their opinion is so heavily biased that I'm rather surprised that anyone takes their case seriously.

 

xakko

i need that, Kirayoshi!

 

xakko

gah, is it in trade?

 

Kirayoshi

Dunno.

 

Amokitty

ha! You're right, Jeremy. think pleasant thoughts.... :)

 

Kirayoshi

You might find it in the discount bin at your local comic book shop.

 

Kirayoshi

Or check Ebay.

 

J_Harper

Yesh!

 

xakko

mile high has a huge sale right now

 

Kirayoshi

I still loved that scene from the batman cartoon;

 

Kirayoshi

Bruce to Barbara; "So what are you doing tonight?"

 

xakko

i was going to get the Alpha Flight and Cable runs for the Danger Room threads

 

Kirayoshi

Barbara: "Same thing we do every night, Pinky."

 

Kirayoshi

Bruce; "What?"

 

Kirayoshi

Barbara: "Never mind."

 

xakko

WB animation used to be so amazing

 

Amokitty

I was thinking about that too, Xak. I've got all of Alpha Flight and some Cable too... it might be fun.

 

MadR

Dang it, that BTAS must be after season 3....haven't seen that.

 

Kirayoshi

It was one of the last seasons.

 

Kirayoshi

season.

 

Kirayoshi

Which had some good eps.

 

Kirayoshi

There was one called Legends of the Dark Knight where three kids talk about what Batman is like.

 

xakko

that was the firefly ep?

 

Kirayoshi

Featured segments modeled after the Golden Age Batman and Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns.

 

Kirayoshi

Firefly, yep.

 

J_Harper

Folks, I think I'm going to call it a night. I'm feeling tired, and I need to make some more characters for my players to beat on tomorrow.

 

Kirayoshi

Another ep, Over the Edge, had Barbara die at the Scarecrow's hand, leaving Commissioner Gordon demanding revenge against Batman.

 

Kirayoshi

Aw,

 

xakko

aw, g'nite Jeremy...

 

Kirayoshi

Later J.

 

MadR

I love the neo deco art design in the title cards, and background

 

Lia

Night, honey bear!

 

xakko

i thought you weren't allowed to sleep until the next chapter is complete?

 

MadR

Nite Jeremy

 

Amokitty

It's always a pleasure to have you here, Jeremy. Thanks so much for coming!!!

 

darkstorm5000

Goodnight JH

 

J_Harper

:) Night, cuddle kitten. ::wub

 

Lia

Xakko's right! No sleepy time for you, Jeremy!

 

Kirayoshi

And I should be calling it a night too.

 

Kirayoshi

Night al.

 

J_Harper

:) Is it all right if I mumble to myself in the corner while I plot Deathless?

 

Kirayoshi

Peace out!

 

MadR

Nite Kira

 

Amokitty

Gosh, K. You too huh?

 

J_Harper

Take care, K.

 

Lia

So should I. My brain's getting a little fuzzy.

 

Amokitty

Bye, K!

 

Kirayoshi left.

 

 

J_Harper

Night, Amo. Thanks for having us.

 

Amokitty

Well it's looking like it's going to end a bit earlier than usual, but I'm grateful that you came. Sick and everything!

 

xakko

gah, missed K

 

Amokitty

Night guys! Happy Thanksgiving, everybody!

 

J_Harper

We'll make up for it next time. :) Happy thanksgiving.

 

Lia

Night! Take care, everyone!

 

xakko

too you all

 

MadR

Good conversations the best cure

 

xakko

er, to you all, yeah, i can type

 

J_Harper left.

 

 

Amokitty

Funny, huh how we didn't discuss much of Astonishing isn't it/

 

Amokitty

Bye Lia! Take care now1

 

Lia left.

 

 

xakko

which is weird considering what a mindf*** it was

 

darkstorm5000

Maybe that's a good reason why?

 

Amokitty

Astonishing #18 wasn't as good as the previous issue for me.

 

xakko

i liked Scott in it. a lot. it redeemed a lot of what happened in previous issues.

 

MadR

I liked the Beast/Logan scene, but mostly...eh

 

xakko

if he had access to his powers, that would've irritated me a lot...

 

Amokitty

Now that's very true, Xak. Scott was the highlight of that ish. Funny and quite ruthless I thought.

 

Amokitty

Percy Dovetail. that cracked me up, Rose.

 

MadR

"I can't possiblily begin to apologize" "That's what friends are for"

 

darkstorm5000

Showed Scott does have a personality, afterall

 

xakko

"i'm fairly certain it's not"

 

xakko

i felt... better about Emma than i have in a long time. like, ever.

 

Amokitty

I love Hank. I hate worrying over which character is going to die. I think that is going to take away my enjoyment of this book from now on.

 

xakko

i'm going to hope Kitty and Piotr stay on the Breakworld with Lockheed.

 

Amokitty

Emma's guilt shows that she has some conscience at least.

 

darkstorm5000

I wouldn't mind seeing that as an arc resolution

 

MadR

I'm still worried about Piotr and Kitty getting back together in canon....I'll still write fanfic for 'em, whatever happens, but this is bugging me.

 

Amokitty

I do too. But they won't. it bugs me that Kitty and Peter got only ONE stinking issue of any happiness before Joss hauls out the angst.

 

xakko

and i hate to say it guys, but if Joss kills them... it'll probably kill comics fandom for me completely

 

Amokitty

I'm with you on this one, Xak. I'm tired of so many things. That would be it for me. I'm done.

 

darkstorm5000

I'll probably stop reading AXM at the very least

 

MadR

Aw no. If you feel that way....I guess you can't help it.

 

xakko

i've pretty much given up all other X-men

 

xakko

maybe i'll become an Invincible fanboy and try to write that fic.

 

Amokitty

No writer respects other people's creations or the fans that love them anymore. anybody is up for grabs. There's no respect for the fans anymore. Marketing dictates everything.

 

xakko

we should all go indie, where the creators own their own characters. i also like how BKV "bequeathed" Runaways to Joss

 

Amokitty

As a fan these things bother me, and it's looking like there's no end to it. Kyle and Yost definitely have no respect to fans at all. I wonder if this decade will be looked back upon as the decade of death?

 

xakko

it may, with Infinite Crisis, Civil War, World War Hulk, Silent War, etc...

 

MadR

Canon is canon, when it's good, it's wonderful. When it's bad, it's just raw material for fic.

 

Amokitty

Oh god..... the stupid.

 

Amokitty

Raw material for improvement, Rose??? ;)

 

xakko

that's a great attitude, Rose...

 

MadR

Improvement, pick or choose what to ignore. Hell, I didn't become a Blue Beetle and Booster Gold fan until after Ted was dead.

 

xakko

oh, i loved him in "I can't believe it's not the Justice League"

 

MadR

I bought the I Can't Believe It's Not The Justice League trades, and I read Doctor V's mulletverse fic, and I don't even look at the DC titles at Borders comic rack.

 

Amokitty

i used to collect the Kevin magire JLA stuff. I loved Ted and booster so much. So damn funny. and the chemistry! No wonder Boostle fics exist!

 

Amokitty

Maguire, I meant to say.... typing the usual crap, I see.

 

Amokitty

Who dies, people? Give your predictions. let's hear 'em!

 

MadR

Hisako, because she's a red shirt.

 

darkstorm5000

Outside of Ord, I think it's a crapshoot

 

MadR

Peter or Kitty, because Joss is an ornery bastard.

 

xakko

did you get Hero Squard?

 

MadR

Cassandra Nova, because Joss is a sneaky bastard

 

Amokitty

I want Brand and Danger to die, but I bet I won't be that kucky.

 

xakko

what if its Lockheed?

 

darkstorm5000

I think they'll probably be sticking around, to return down the line

 

xakko

i would be very, very upset if we lost Lockheed, but i don't know if it would make me drop X-men

 

Amokitty

Yes, Rose! Nova needs to die for everything she's done. She's so terrible that I would almost think it would be imperative that she DOES die.

 

darkstorm5000

I'd hate to see Lockheed bite it, but thinking about it, he's probably a highly likely candidate

 

Amokitty

Sorry Lockheed, but Kitty and Peter were around long before you and they need to live.

 

darkstorm5000

Nova's gonna hang around, just so she and her brother can continue their 'I can be a bigger bastard than you' running contest

 

MadR

If Joss makes Lockheed a double agent and then kills him off before explaining any of that, that's just one more piece of canon I'm going to ignore.

 

xakko

gah, i liked when Prof X was just a jerk

 

Amokitty

Nova is responsible for Carmen's death in Genosha and is ultimately responsible for Kitty's mindrape. I want Kitty to stop her once and for all. I just don't want her to die to do that.

 

darkstorm5000

Yeah, didn't need all the additional baggage thrown onto his character

 

Amokitty

Darkstorm - holy crap! Hee! I cannot argue with this. In fact, I'd ENDORES it!

 

Amokitty

endorse. Please forgive the typos! Ugh.

 

darkstorm5000

We'll let it slide ::sleep

 

xakko

we don't see no stinkin typos

 

Amokitty

I'm not happy with Brubaker for what he did to Xavier. the last couple of years has been 'let's make Xavier a real bastard!' It's kinda overdone now.

 

darkstorm5000

Guess we won't let it slide afterall ::blink

 

Amokitty

Bless you, Xak!

 

MadR

They have gotten a little ridiculous with Xavier lately.

 

Amokitty

heh, heh.

 

darkstorm5000

That's one reason I stopped reading comics, back when that whole Onslaught thing was starting

 

MadR

And getting all meta in the Ultimate X Men with the running joke/arguement of the X Men wondering if they have free will or have been mindcontrolled by Xavier from the start.

 

Amokitty

Onslaught should never ever, ever, been brought back. What was Jeph Loeb thinking? Isn't his job consulting for NBC's Heroes enough?

 

xakko

is that even out yet?

 

Amokitty

Good point, Rose. Xavier is a bastard there too. He's like the Ass du Jour something....

 

Amokitty

I think it's out this month Xak.

 

xakko

i STILL don't get why Xavier had to mindwipe Scott and Moira and everyone in the freaking world

 

Amokitty

I know that Xakko has heard of the new Colossus Mythos book, but have the rest of you?

 

darkstorm5000

I like Ultimate Xavier even less for some of those reasons, and other suspicions of mine

 

darkstorm5000

I've heard about it in name only

 

MadR

Nope, Colossus Mythos?

 

Amokitty

that doesn't jive with canon at all, Xak. Like I said, writers don't respect things as much these days.

 

xakko

you mean like resurrecting one of the two people Marvel used to insist would stay dead?

 

Amokitty

Colossus is getting his own Mythos book about a more detailed telling of his origins.

 

xakko

the Mythos books are basically retellings of the origins.

 

darkstorm5000

The Emma backstory in Deadly Genesis made even less sense to me

 

Amokitty

Christ. Bucky.

 

MadR

Oh cool.

 

Amokitty

*slaps head*

 

xakko

of course, PAD brought Uncle Ben in F'N Spider-Man...

 

darkstorm5000

One reason you shouldn't worry about who's going to die soon in AXM, they'll up and running around again in no time

 

MadR

Yep, this is the point where you just say to yourself, 'canon is being stupid, I'll wait it out til the next official retconn and it goes away.'

 

Amokitty

What I'd like to know is why make a Colossus book drawn by Adi Granov no less, if there are plans to kill him. Why die a noble, heroic, death AGAIN? Not that I thought Peter's death was particularly noble the first time around...

 

xakko

Peter was dead for 5 frickin' years

 

MadR

Peter was dead for 5 years real time and two years 616 time? That's something I've been....how old are Piotr and Kitty in Astonishing?

 

Amokitty

he did? Uncle Ben??? OMG. I missed this somehow. Geez.

 

darkstorm5000

Was it 2 years in 616?

 

xakko

over 1 year, less than 2 i think

 

xakko

it was an alternate dimension Uncle Ben, Shari

 

Amokitty

I think if Peter dies again, he'll STAY dead this time. Only Phoenix gets to come back more than once. Plus Joss has said that the changes he's made will stick.

 

darkstorm5000

Until someone else comes along...

 

xakko

there was an argument about that at CBR... i think Joss can keep things as is while he's still there, that it isn't like Morrison jumping ship to DC

 

Amokitty

Hmmmm, I think Kitty is 20-21 and Peter 25-26...... but that's just me. i could be wrong.

 

xakko

that's about where i have them...

 

Amokitty

Yeah! Joss is leaving the book. Not leaving Marvel. He's got a large, solid fanbase. When he speaks Editorial definitely listens.

 

darkstorm5000

I think the changes to Morrison's stuff more had to do with the fact that it became so damn bizarre at the end of his run

 

Amokitty

Agreed, DS. I didn't recognize the book anymore.

 

Amokitty

Of course, I'm starting to have trouble recognizing them now too. Phoenix blade??? WTH??!!!!

 

xakko

amd yet, Joss has seamlessly integrated them with a lot of Claremonts stuff

 

darkstorm5000

Although I think he did some good things while writing NXM, there's no way I have any desire to pick up Planet X or Here comes tomorrow again anytime soon. Don't know how accurate that is, but that's what the arcs were titled with the TPB's I picked up

 

Amokitty

And that's one of the things I love about Joss' rendition of these characters. He takes the best elements of Claremont's and Morrison's stuff, and puts some of his own perspective into it. He gives a more comprehensive understanding of Morrison, and gives a modern touch to a lot of Claremont material.

 

darkstorm5000

I don't think Joss' intention was to turn the X-Universe upside down like Morrison, just try to tell a good story

 

xakko

i agree. morrison was writing a post modern spin to CC's X-men. characters were secondary. story was sercondary. maybe characters were tertiary?

 

Amokitty

Bingo. Morrison ran rough shod over X-history. and while Morrison fanboys mock the people who don't get Morrison, they don't understand that Morrison didn't really respect the franchise that was given to him on a silver platter. People read the books and care. You can't dismiss that. These are the same people that enable your paycheck.

 

darkstorm5000

Morrison didn't seem to have any desire to hold onto much in the way of previous continuity when it came to some/many of his characterizations

 

xakko

that was Claremont's complain in Comic Creators on the X-Men

 

xakko

and he felt it was up to him to "fill in the gaps". he seems to feel the same about all the crossovers, leading to issues like Uncanny 460

 

Amokitty

It felt like Morrison had an agenda. It felt like he didn't care enough to understand these characters from the inside out. It's not like it's a bad thing to have a 40 year history. You may not like everything in that history, but you can't try to remake it.

 

xakko

he talks about how much he loves and identifies with Cyke, then gives an analysis of Scott from the 1960's

 

Amokitty

Claremont did an admirable job trying to make sense of the mess Morrison left behind.

 

Amokitty

Oh like that strip club thing?

 

Amokitty

Morrison made Scott into something he never was. that's my biggest gripe about the whole Scott/Emma ship.

 

Amokitty

Scott going to the Hellfire Club of all places to watch a stripper, was like a slap in the face of Cyclops fans, I thought.

 

darkstorm5000

It just didn't seem to jibe with me, that Scott would run to Emma for help in dealing with his problems in the first place if he couldn't talk to Jean about it.

 

xakko

aside from the emasculation of Scott there, it wasn't bad... the HFC would be one of the few places no one would think to look for him. but the emasculation was hard to get past

 

xakko

well, that's now been explained... Emma "persisted", whereas Jean, who had a lot on her plate, was giving him space. Granted, according to Joss, Emma did it with the purpose of seducing him

 

Amokitty

Scott has experienced everything. It's a lot to swallow that all of a sudden he and jean are keeping secrets from each other.

 

xakko

that goes back to Lobdell, who introduced the marital problems

 

Amokitty

As much as I love Kiotr, it's because of the whole Scott/jean?Emma debacle that I know that ultimately , there is probably no hope for Peter and Kitty.

 

darkstorm5000

Marital problems are one thing, they seemed to have a marital breakdown in the space of a few weeks

 

Amokitty

Yes!!! Exactly!!!

 

xakko

well, there is precedence. the disaster that was bringing back Jean for X-factor and breaking up Scott and Maddie

 

darkstorm5000

At least you could use the argument that Jean was his first true love. With Emma, I just don't see that

 

Amokitty

Pffft. That was the beginning of Scott being an officially authorized jerk. That made no sense either. Claremont's even admitted it, if I'm not mistaken.

 

xakko

i would love to be able to write the issue where it shows Emma insinuating herself into Scott's life. not overtly manipulating him, but just reading his mind and finding the chinks in his armor

 

xakko

Claremont wasn't writing it, and was terribly, terribly pissed about the treatment of "his" Scott

 

darkstorm5000

brb

 

Amokitty

I know people grow and change, but don't basic personality traits stay the same? I'm not too much different than I was 10 or 20 years ago.

 

xakko

they say those are molded from early childhood

 

xakko

i like to think i've changed a lot in the last 20 years... but the fundamental traits are still there

 

Amokitty

I need to accept that rather than the characters reacting to shocking things happening to them; they are now shocking themselves. With no rhyme or reason to it. that's just the way it is now.

 

darkstorm5000

Almost like they're not really being written at all...

 

darkstorm5000

Although, there are writers that do seem to get a good grasp on a few characters

 

Amokitty

Yet another reason why I'm unhappy with comics in general now. I don't think I'm staying if Kitty or Peter die. I think I'm going to drop the other x-titles. They don't interest me like they used to.

 

xakko

the only other one i have is X-Factor

 

xakko

and i was going to pick up NEX with CC returns

 

Amokitty

Astonishing is the only thing I find myself looking forward to. Too bad it's back to every other month or so.

 

Amokitty

I'd be happier if Meggan were in the title Xak. Brian seems like a jerk, because he's not moving heaven and earth to find out what exactly happened to his wife.

 

xakko

yeah... i like She-Hulk too, which was weird, since the covers were so exploitative that i couldn't imagine the writing was any good

 

xakko

i miss Meggan a lot. and god spare us some of the Dazzler fans endless compaining

 

Amokitty

She-Hulk has amused me. Andy has definitely amused me!

 

xakko

deb's become a complete Dan Slott addict

 

Amokitty

One would think they'd be grateful to have her back, period.

 

Amokitty

has she? I never got to read Thing, but I have enjoyed Great Lakes X-men and She-Hulk.

 

xakko

the thing was great... old scholl rollicking action

 

Amokitty

Humor is good, but I'd like to read a book that will keep me in thrall.

 

Amokitty

speaking of good stories.... where is Rose? You still here?

 

xakko

ah... deb's very much about the funny.

 

xakko

don't tell me she got disconnected again!

 

Amokitty

She's still listed. Hmmm. Gonna check my mail. BRB.

 

darkstorm5000

Not to sound to bandwag-ish, but I like what Carey's done with Rogue in X-Men. Just that the rest of his book hasn't been making too much sense.

 

MadR

Here!

 

Amokitty

No mail from Rose. Maybe she's distracted with something??? Probably. :)

 

Amokitty

Hey! :) :)

 

xakko

are you a big Rogue fan, DS?

 

xakko

(hi Rose!)

 

MadR

Sorry, thought I hit the unavailable icon, went to make more tea

 

Amokitty

Gotcha.

 

darkstorm5000

When she's done right. The same could be said about most characters in my case

 

Amokitty

Rogue with Mystique and Sabes on the same team really bugs me.

 

xakko

part of me wonders what "right" Rogue is... she shouldn't be the girl she was in the 80's, all flirtatious and sass, because so much of that was a facade to cover up her insecurities about not being about to be close, I thought

 

Amokitty

With so many reformed villains, who will be left to fight? *laughs*

 

xakko

i just can't read a series with Sabretooth on the X-men... i just can't see it being justified, least not in the first issue, which was all i gave him

 

Amokitty

Like Kitty, I think Rogue has grown up. Flase bravado has been replaced with genuine confidence.

 

darkstorm5000

I think given her background, she's growing into the kind of leader able to straddle that fence. Rogue seems to be working under the theory for the time-being 'Keep my friends close, keep my enemies even closer'

 

MadR

I can't see 616 Sabretooth on a team either...the writer would have to do a lot of work to get me to buy that.

 

Amokitty

Sabes is a rapist and a murderer. Child killer too. Can't condone him on the team no matter what spin Carey puts on it.

 

xakko

then again, i need to know why they ever accepted Mystique after what happened to Moira

 

MadR

I did like Mystique's application to join the X Men in Bizarre Love Triangle....that and the offer to play strip poker with Piotr while she was waiting for the verdict.

 

Amokitty

Funny how that's ignored isn't it?

 

xakko

without that one act, i could see her being possibly redeemed.

 

Amokitty

That was one of Milligan's funniest mines. Mystique flirting with Peter. Caught me off guard with that one.

 

Amokitty

Lines, I mean.... sheesh.

 

darkstorm5000

Sabretooth is really more of a prisoner on work-release at the moment, than an actual teammate. Basically, Rogue had him implanted with Nano-tech to keep him line, threatening to take him out if he steps out of line. Which is pretty effective, since his healing factor is currently dormant. And her opinion of Mystique isn't much higher either.

 

Amokitty

They Voted her in. Unbelievable. How stupid/forgiving are the X-Men anyway? I wouldn't forget someone trying to kill ME.

 

MadR

A good writer could get a lot of angst and drama out of Mystique and Rogue having to spend large amounts of time working together

 

xakko

i thought i heard it said that his healing factor had returned...

 

MadR

haven't they let Magneto in a few times too?

 

Amokitty

I have the books, DS. I just can't get into them. Not one thing I can relate to.

 

xakko

yes, at Xavier's insistence. and all, after being forced to work with him during Secret Wars I and II

 

Amokitty

Magneto has had a lot to atone for, but it's like Rose said. Well written angst can excuse a lot of things. Claremont did that for Mags.

 

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Amokitty

Great.

 

Amokitty

The Para Chat server went completely down. Their entire site. What gives?

 

Amokitty

And to think I was safe from crashing.....

 

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Xakko

hi again!

 

Amokitty

Oh dear, Xak. The host server completely crashed.

 

Amokitty

And to think I was sure to not ever have to go thru THAT again. Silly me.

 

Xakko

could it have anything to do with Microsoft updates?

 

Amokitty

Para Chat will definitely be hearing from me tomorrow.

 

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Xakko

my computer's been trying to restart for the last 20 minutes

 

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Amokitty

I'm so very sorry.

 

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Xakko

it's ok, it's just a computer glitch

 

Xakko

you know we love you, right?

 

Amokitty

Darkstorm!!! Thank goodness!

 

darkstorm5000

The chat room decided IT needed to take a break, huh?

 

Amokitty

I DO know that, Xak. I love you too. I honestly do. :)

 

Amokitty

DS, maybe you're right!

 

Xakko

there it goes again. doesn't it realize i will restart when i'm good and ready?

 

Xakko

*sheesh*

 

Amokitty

LOL!

 

Amokitty

I wonder if Rose wil come back.

 

darkstorm5000

I think I'm going to go ahead and call it a night

 

Amokitty

I got so distracted i forgot what we were discussing1

 

Amokitty

I understand, DS. it is late for you, and it was good of you to stick around like this.

 

Amokitty

Poor Xak, it's 3:30 a. m. for you. Night owl.

 

darkstorm5000

It was my pleasure, I always pick up so much by being around such creative and insightful individuals here

 

Xakko

ah, well, i had to go into work yesterday morning at 7, so i took a nap.

 

Xakko

but i am tired...

 

Amokitty

I think the same thing!

 

Amokitty

And understandably so Xak.

 

Amokitty

You guys are the best!

 

Xakko

i was thinking the same about you...

 

Xakko

(say hi to Mark for us, ok?)

 

darkstorm5000

Good night, and I'll talk to both of you again soon

 

Amokitty

I will, and thanks for being such a good friend, Xak. I'm lucky to know you guys!

 

Xakko

have a happy Turkey Day, all

 

Amokitty

Happy Thanksgiving to both of you!!

 

Xakko

g'nite!

 

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Amokitty

Take care! Night!

 

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Amokitty

Must e-mail Rose with apologies. It's 12:30 a.m. Pacific time, which is about the same time the Chats normally wrap up anyway. My deepest thanks to everyone who came. A special thanks to the multi-talented Kirayoshi for sharing his recipe! :) And to Jeremy Harper who gave us something to discuss other than an Astonishing issue that was less than what we hoped for. "Deathless" made this weekend for us. Next time we meet, we'll hopefully get to discuss Lia Fail's latest project and I can hardly wait! Take care everybody, stay safe, and to our American friends, have a Happy Thanksgiving! Good Night!

 

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Kirayoshi’s Chocolate Pecan Pumpkin Pie

 

Using your favorite pumpkin pie recipe....

 

1. Replace 1 egg and ¼ cup of sugar with ¾ cup of Eggnog.

 

2. When prepping the piecrust, melt 1 cup of semi-sweet chocolate

chips in the microwave and spread it on the crust.  Refrigerate crust

while making pie filling.

 

3. Last 10 min. of baking pie, add ½ cup of pecan halves.

 

 

The chocolate on the piecrust prevents the pumpkin filling from making

the crust soggy as it bakes.

 

Remember to wrap the outside of the crust with a thin strip of

aluminum foil while baking so the crust won’t scorch.