Transcript for KIOTR Chat  -  November 10th, 2007
Topic: Astonishing X-Men #23 and General Discussion

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

amokitty

Good evening!  It’s been three long months since the last issue of Astonishing X-Men was released, and I suspect there’ll be a lot of catching up for everyone to do tonight!

 

J_Harper joined.

 

 

J_Harper

Hey.

 

amokitty

Jeremy! So happy to see you! :)

 

J_Harper

:)

 

J_Harper

How are you?

 

xakko joined.

 

 

amokitty

Xak! Hi!!

 

xakko

hey amo, jeremy

 

J_Harper

Hey.

 

xakko

how's it going?

 

amokitty

Actually I'm feeling just a bit lousy, Jeremy. What's up with you?

 

J_Harper

Nothing much. I don't know how long I'm going to stay.

 

xakko

i'm trying out the laptop, so the bunny doesn't have the sadness

 

amokitty

Always appreciate you stopping by. Always, my friend.

 

xakko

* nods... glad you could come anyway...

 

J_Harper

Had dinner with some friends tonight. Haven't seen 'em for several months.

 

xakko

that's always good

 

amokitty

Oh yeah? Sounds like fun.

 

xakko left.

 

 

starsinger joined.

 

 

J_Harper

It was. We had a good chat. They just moved into a new place.

 

starsinger

hello

 

DB91939 joined.

 

 

J_Harper

Hey there.

 

DB91939

hey kiddies

 

J_Harper

Hallo.

 

DB91939

so what's been going on?

 

starsinger

not much

 

amokitty

Hey guys! Great to see you!!!

 

amokitty

And what are your views theories on Astonishing?

 

xakko joined.

 

 

amokitty

Xak you're back! :)

 

xakko

stupid computer closed the window

 

starsinger

well, I kinda put them up on your site

 

DB91939

hm... views

 

DB91939

I'm constantly disappointed by this comic

 

J_Harper

Haven't read it yet. I'll pick it up tomorrow.

 

DB91939

Ever since maybe... I don't know. The issue after Kitty phased Emma into the rock

 

amokitty

Who's site, Star??

 

starsinger

the lj site

 

DB91939

whichever that is

 

amokitty

Oh, well the Kiotr comm isn't my site. It's Anhayla's you see. :)

 

starsinger

oh, sorry, i don't know

 

starsinger

been on it since may, and still don't know

 

xakko

i can't say i've been impressed with it. i wonder how much of it was just thrown together due to poor reception to "Danger"

 

amokitty

The issue felt like filler to me.

 

starsinger

it answered some questions

 

xakko

it's funny, i've seen a bunch of people on comixfan who liked it

 

DB91939

Ugh... Danger

 

DB91939

I keep forgetting about that plot

 

amokitty

It DID have more to say on the so called prophesy, but it wasn't enough.

 

DB91939

seriously. None of it mattered

 

DB91939

It seemed like that whole arc was just "Ok... we're kindof half-assing it, but we're giving you hints that something big is going to happen later."

 

starsinger

time travel

 

amokitty

So how on earth can everything be answered with just one issue left?!

 

starsinger

that's why one person's not coming back, they're going to get stuck in time

 

xakko

yeah, i was being a little dense about that

 

DB91939

so we're completely sure that the Giant Size is going to have a funeral?

 

DB91939

and not a wedding?

 

melodyrider joined.

 

 

amokitty

Mel! Howdy do! :D

 

starsinger

Well, if Kitty actually dies, then, yes probably

 

melodyrider

Hi everybody!

 

DB91939

Because I actually wouldn't be surprised if Scott and Emma got married at this point

 

xakko

hey mr, long time

 

DB91939

I'd be dissapointed, but not surprised

 

xakko

i'm almost expecting it

 

starsinger

Emma, married, Please!

 

J_Harper

Hallo.

 

melodyrider

It has been a while. How's everybody doing?

 

xakko

not too bad. enjoying a weekend off

 

DB91939

I'm writing an eight page paper on the European Union. bleh

 

amokitty

Great to see you, Mel.

 

melodyrider

Likewise, Amo!

 

starsinger

here's it in a nutshell, kitty dies, someone else goes back and carves that palace, and kitty makes it back alive, otherwise...

 

xakko

of course, the bunny just used the litter box right next to me, so things kinda stink right now

 

DB91939

so if anyone's is bored and wants to take a crack at it for me... ::tongue

 

amokitty

I liked your noticing the Brand tattoos. Interesting!

 

DB91939

Hm. I'm not too keen on the time travel idea

 

melodyrider

Oh, yes. That definately caught my eye and I've been wondering what was going on with that, because I doubt it was an accident

 

DB91939

because the writers KNOW that would just send message board kids into a frenzy of "Well, this is a paradox!"

 

starsinger

well, like i said, someone lined everything up for them, how to do it and all, and knew exactly what peter looked like

 

DB91939

Or maybe it was some sort of uh... what's the word. Like yellow journalism

 

melodyrider

propaganda?

 

DB91939

Yes!

 

DB91939

I knew it started with a P.

 

starsinger

brand said the palace was ancient, how could they

 

xakko

you've got me wondering if Brand is Kitty and Emma's lovechild now, MR

 

DB91939

the only word that was coming to mind was pulitzer

 

DB91939

love child?

 

melodyrider

God, please no

 

xakko

i'm joking, but she seems to look a bit like Kitty with green hair, and with Emma's attitude

 

DB91939

oh

 

amokitty

I think I'm gonna be ill.... ;)

 

melodyrider

There is that

 

starsinger

boy I'm glad that's not likely to actually happen

 

J_Harper

With da Q in charge, who knows?

 

DB91939

I don't know... I'm just trying to rationalize out of time travel. It's one of my biggest pet peeves in stories.

 

xakko

*shudder*

 

starsinger

I know, but they've all ready killed Scott

 

xakko

but we can count on Joey Q shoving that back in the genie bottle at some point

 

starsinger

and brought him back, that's marvel's biggest cliche

 

starsinger

time travel's only it's second biggest

 

DB91939

Poor Hank... he never gets much story time

 

starsinger

unfortunately, I think it's going to be him and brand

 

DB91939

he's not popular like Logan, or in a relationship.

 

starsinger

poor, poor Hank

 

DB91939

I really hope Hisako dies

 

DB91939

or at least changes her codename

 

DB91939

I really really really hate her codename

 

starsinger

Hisako's not bad, Brand's the one that really, Oh, never mind

 

xakko

i don't think she dies

 

starsinger

i think someone dying at this point would be pointless

 

DB91939

yeah

 

amokitty

I'm kinda tired of Logan being used for laughs. Lockheed could use some more 'air time' too. There is so much building on all of this that I worry that the finale can't possibly live up to people's expectations.

 

DB91939

oooh!

 

DB91939

wouldn't it be cool if instead of someone dying, someone goes blind or gets paralyzed?

 

DB91939

that would be unexpected!

 

xakko

and how much of that is the fault of the delays?

 

DB91939

or... horribly disfigured

 

melodyrider

Much of it, I would suspect

 

starsinger

my roommate just asked "When did the X-Men become South Park?"

 

DB91939

like two-face.

 

DB91939

heh. I wish it was as cool as South Park. that show cracks me up.

 

DB91939

and if you live in Colorado it has a whole different level of funny

 

amokitty

Makes you wonder if the Ellis issues will be anymore "timely". ;)

 

DB91939

oh. Ellis is taking over Astonishing?

 

xakko

yeah

 

xakko

whee

 

MadR joined.

 

 

xakko

hi rose!

 

amokitty

What do people read when Astonishing is on these constant delays? Do you stay within the hero genre or do you read other things?

 

MadR

Hello all

 

starsinger

I'm thinking about turning it into a ficlet, but I've kinda killed kitty once, I'm not sure I can get away with it again

 

amokitty

Rose is here!! Yay!

 

melodyrider

If Marvel pulls the same stunt with him that they have on this arc, I hope he's wise enough not to devote his entire run to a single story

 

melodyrider

Hi Rose!

 

J_Harper

Hey Rose.

 

DB91939

hm

 

DB91939

I don't really read other comics.

 

xakko

i used to have a bunch of X-books, but not so much any more

 

DB91939

I read Ultimate Spider-man once ina while, and older Batman comics... like from the early 90's

 

xakko

bought Messiah Complex and regretted it

 

starsinger

hey rose

 

DB91939

but before Killing Joke

 

amokitty

Me too, Xak.

 

DB91939

er... I guess that would be 80's

 

MadR

I've been reading some DC trades/novelizations

 

xakko

i finally got a hold of Sovereign Seven. it was great, but it amused me

 

xakko

i loved the cameos, if nothing else

 

amokitty

My interest in X-Men and the crossover hype is waning.

 

xakko

it's half tempting to use Crossroads in one of my fics

 

MadR

and I've been playing http://www.freerice.com/index.php when I should be writing....

 

amokitty

S7 was hard to get into. Like Rose has mentioned about Whedon, CC has certain fallbacks to his writing that are easily spotted. It takes the originality from it, i think.

 

xakko

writing isn't compulsory, rose. it's supposed to be fun

 

amokitty

Jeremy, do you read X-Men like you used to? I know you're working on other things currently....

 

DB91939

man... kudos to all of you who are writing

 

DB91939

I have no attention span for it

 

xakko

(or work, but you'd better get paid then)

 

starsinger

I've been haphazardly working on future past

 

DB91939

I may write something over Christmas... I dunno

 

DB91939

right now I'm working on a Batman:TAS story... so we'll see

 

J_Harper

I've not been to the comic store in over three months. Haven't had the money. I'll probably try to get in tomorrow, since

 

J_Harper

Astonishing came out

 

amokitty

DB that's great. Any ideas you want to share as for its plot?

 

MadR

Ooh, Batman TAS! We've finally got ToonDisney, which is rerunning it

 

starsinger

lost my job a couple of months ago, but back at work starting Monday

 

DB91939

my Batman or my X-men?

 

J_Harper

But I may be done with Marvel after Whedon's run. I really, really don't like the direction Quesada and his cronies are taking the MU.

 

amokitty

Batman.

 

xakko

good to hear, starsinger

 

DB91939

Well, I was watching Batman Beyond the other day, and I remembered that Babs and Bruce had a little... trist that they mentioned in Beyond

 

melodyrider

I've got my fingers crossed that things will start to improve when Quesada leaves

 

DB91939

so I thought I would do something on that

 

xakko

back to the 90's, Jeremy? or the 80's...

 

J_Harper

The thing is, when the hell is he going to leave?

 

xakko

Babs and Bats? eeeh

 

xakko

ew

 

DB91939

I find it interesting

 

melodyrider

Sometime next year as I understand it

 

J_Harper

I don't know where he's taking it, but I just like the direction. Maybe I just grow old. :/

 

amokitty

Jeremy, I agree. The X-books don't seem as much fun to read anymore. We've joked about there being too much death from our very first chat. At the time we didn't really know how much worse it would get. Heh.

 

starsinger

I have no idea where I'm taking the run-around, it was just something my funnybone made me write

 

DB91939

I'd like to delve into the whole... Bruce feeling guilty beign with the girl who was in love with his, basically, son

 

J_Harper

And not just Marvel. DC, too. Not that I read much DC. Never have.

 

xakko

now they have newborns tripping Cerebra... even tho' only killcrops do that. allegedly.

 

amokitty

All the death, and the worry about it and my fave characters are sapping my joy from comics.

 

MadR

Nods, both Marvel and DC have this stupid obsession with being dark and gritty. They forgot the comic in comic book

 

amokitty

Exactly!

 

xakko

alan moore had something to say about that.

 

amokitty

Jeremy, are you more into independents?

 

xakko

that they'd taken that part of his stories but not the depth

 

xakko

gah.

 

J_Harper

Well, I read Conan, though I haven't had much gumpton to pick it up. Actually, I think the most fun I'm having with a comic right now is a free Grimjack story Osterland and Tim Truman have been putting up. Beautful Tim Truman artwork and a kick-ass, take no prisoners story.

 

xakko

i hate this laptop

 

melodyrider

My apologies. IE has been randomly crashing on me lately

 

amokitty

Is Puff making typing difficult, Xak? :D

 

xakko

no, she's drinking right now. it just doesn't fit my hands well

 

J_Harper

Also, I think my disenchantment with comics recently is what drove me back to Ranma 1/2, my first fan fiction fandom.

 

J_Harper

My friends offered me a kitten. It seems that Sam's grandmother's cat is of easy virtue.;)

 

DB91939

what is ranma 1/2?

 

starsinger

I'm actually writing a Pern story, I'm not sure why

 

amokitty

Truman draws a more old school classic beauty. Gorgeous really. It's good to see him still putting things out there.

 

xakko

it's a gender-bending anime - it's quite funny

 

DB91939

oh

 

starsinger

I love Ranma

 

J_Harper

Yeah. What Xakk said. One of the most popular animes of the 90's.

 

MadR

Be careful with Pern, McCaffrey goes after fanfic.

 

J_Harper

I think the brain eater got McCaffrey a long time ago.

 

amokitty

LOL. I have a cat of former easy virtue.... they're so sweet! What will be the name?

 

starsinger

They've got quite a lot on fanfiction

 

J_Harper

Don't know. I'm not going to take one, and they haven't been born yet. They're due in maybe a week, but they're preemptively trying to get the kittens adopted.

 

MadR

Huh, I could have sworn she was on the banned author list at fanfiction.net

 

starsinger

nope

 

amokitty

….You know you want a kitten! ;)

 

starsinger

there's an easy "fix" for that cat's virtue

 

J_Harper

Heh. Yesh, but my mother and brother probably don't, and I have to keep the peace here.

 

xakko

cats would be easier to deal with than bunnies

 

J_Harper

That fix will be applied post motherhood, I assure you.

 

amokitty

Jeremy, you've told me that you've done more Ranma fic recently. How's that coming?

 

amokitty

I think it might be possible that bunnies trip kittens in the cute dept. though!

 

starsinger

this from someone who named her cat Ryo-Ohki]

 

MadR

I really don't get authors who hate fanfiction anyway. It's free advertising. Of course, most of the more vocal anti-fic are a little cuckoo....

 

J_Harper

Yeah. It's a story I had in my head for a long time, back when I was still writing R 1/2. I just finished the first chapter, about 10,000 words. It's actually a cross-over, I'm a little ashamed to say, since most of the Ranma fic posted on FFNet are crossovers - and usually bad ones.

 

amokitty

X-over with who???

 

xakko

cross over with what?

 

xakko

junx

 

amokitty

Ha!

 

xakko

jinx too

 

starsinger

you know, this sucks, our cable's out, and we're missing the new Stargate: Atlantis

 

amokitty

I'm still not used to Dr. Kaylee....

 

starsinger

I like carter joining, always like her

 

amokitty

Jeremy? You there?

 

MadR

Atlantis is kind of losing me this season.

 

amokitty

Ditto.

 

starsinger

y? like I said, been w/o cable due to money sit

 

amokitty

Hey we missed you and you were barely gone! ;)

 

starsinger

lol

 

DB91939

ew... no cable?

 

DB91939

that sucks

 

starsinger

it really sucks

 

DB91939

we're getting free cable.

 

DB91939

we just plugged our tv in one day, and there was ESPN! that was back in July... so hopefully comcast doesn't notice.

 

DB91939

especially now that it's hockey season

 

J_Harper

Did the chatroom crash?

 

MadR

The stupid thing with Rodney's fruit basket when Carter joined the cast, Ronon annoys me....et cetera.

 

xakko

not to my knowledge

 

amokitty

Jeremy, I'd like to hear who or what the crossover with Ranma is involved with.

 

J_Harper

Must have been at my end.

 

amokitty

No crash for us, J. :)

 

starsinger

no, we kept on trucking

 

J_Harper

Well, that's good. :)

 

amokitty

Tell me about it!!! lol.

 

starsinger

okay, I promise, no matter who dies, or gets left behind, or whatever happens to them, I will keep writing!

 

xakko

chatroom's been really stable since the last upgrade

 

MadR

Oh god, remember the Chat Room From Hell?

 

xakko

heh yeah

 

J_Harper

Anyhow, I'm doing a crossover story with the manga Oh My Goddess, which is a very good series in and of itself.

 

J_Harper

That room was LOUSY!

 

amokitty

Ronan is meant for eye candy, Rose. Teyla and he make each other redundant. But that's just me.

 

xakko

me too, starsinger. at least until i finish the Harry Potter X-over after BoM

 

starsinger

lol, sorry, remembering the call from God in Oh My Goddess

 

xakko

and maybe I'll be inspired beyond that

 

MadR

Yep, since Ronon came on they don't let Teyla DO anything.

 

amokitty

Hey! I'd like to forget the chat from from hell, if you please!!!!!!!! ;) :D :D

 

xakko

I've never watched any Oh My Goddess... it's good, then?

 

MadR

I'll be writing X Men fic until there's noone left reading it, I promise.

 

DB91939

yeah!

 

starsinger

my roommate's trying to get in on this conversation

 

xakko

oh?

 

DB91939

write loads and loads. I read them while drying my hair in the morning

 

amokitty

I haven't read Oh My Goddess in years. Very interesting. The set up will be too, no doubt.

 

starsinger

random stuff that has nothing to do with anything

 

DB91939

because seriously... it takes about 20 minutes and I would fall asleep if I had nothing to read

 

starsinger

he's weird

 

xakko

don't be weird boy!

 

starsinger

and he's watching the Stars play

 

MadR

I joined Little Details and got confirmation that Snezhinska is russian for Snowflake, for example....

 

amokitty

We'll make sure to give a big welcome to Star's Roomate. :)

 

starsinger

cool

 

J_Harper

I like the manga, and its very nice. I actually got the inspiration from two Ranma/Goddess cross-overs I read from years back. One was Ranma saving Skuld from a demon, the other was that Ranma was actually a God who granted Akane Tendo's mother a wish, and Akane's mother wished that he'd be there to take care of her daughter.

 

starsinger

one computer, makes it hard

 

DB91939

heh

 

starsinger

he's called froggman, he says ribbit ribbit

 

amokitty

I remember the snowflake question. I thought it was Snezhinska. *pats self on back*

 

J_Harper

Flash forward some years, on Akane's 18th birthday, Akane wishes that Ranma was no longer in her life, and he grants it and walks away without a backwards look. If you know anything about Ranma 1/2, you know how likely Ranma doing something like that would actually be.

 

starsinger

zhopa, lol, I thought I was going to die when I saw that

 

MadR

I know that in anime and manga fandoms there's a certain derision for fangirl japanese...I wanted to make sure I was getting the Russian right....

 

amokitty

Unless he's going over to Shampoo!! Then it gets likely. And more soapy.

 

J_Harper

I'm using those two seeds as the basis of my new story.

 

amokitty

Cool!

 

MadR

..or as right as I can working with online dictionaries and my Bertliz Russian For Travelers.

 

DB91939

ugh. Seriously... I can't write eight pages on the stupid European Union. It's just about killing me.

 

xakko

I usually use Babel Fish, but it's kinda rough on Russian translation

 

DB91939

is it too late to drop out and go to automotive mechanic school instead?

 

J_Harper

Hah! Actually, I don't know how much Ranma likes Shampoo, as in the Amazon girl. But basically, Akane is the love of Ranma's life, even though neither really admits it.

 

amokitty

Why Rose? Does the word have a certain place for an upcoming story?

 

MadR

Should be starting Piotr's first letter home in the next Essential Colossus.

 

xakko

Just write one page per country... no problem.

 

starsinger

that would be a lot of pages

 

melodyrider left.

 

 

amokitty

Rose, that's great. I'm looking forward to it. It's been a while since we've seen Essential Colossus.

 

xakko

well, just the important ones then ;)

 

melodyrider joined.

 

 

amokitty

I hope Mel comes back! I was just about to ask him when we'll see the next chapter of the  Adventures of Kitty!

 

amokitty

Hey there! :)

 

starsinger

yeah!

 

melodyrider

Hi!

 

xakko

hey mr

 

J_Harper

I'm sorry I haven't mentioned it, Rose, but I really liked the drabble you wrote at my request. I'm sorry I didn't mention it to you on your journal. I've been rather lethargic, as of late. :/

 

melodyrider

I'm really sorry about the way I keep dropping out like this, guys

 

amokitty

Mel, when are we going to get the next chap of the Adventures of Kitty Pryde? Soon??

 

xakko

have you considered firefox, mr?

 

starsinger

froggy wants to know where al lthe drunken comic book heroes are, like I said, he's weird

 

amokitty

S'okay! I'm just glad you come back!

 

MadR

That's okay, Jeremy. Glad you liked it.

 

melodyrider

Hopefully I'll have another chapter ready in December. I'm trying to use Nanowrimo as an excuse to get back on that story

 

amokitty

Agreed. Rose wrote a great Deathless version of Peter.

 

melodyrider

After all, there's now a whole year's worth of issues I can get away with writing thanks to all the delays ;)

 

DB91939

the drunken comic book heroes?

 

xakko

Lobo?

 

starsinger

like I said, he's weird

 

xakko

Warbird?

 

amokitty

I know you've taken a break from the story, Mel. Is that because you're working on something new, or perhaps because of RL interference.

 

starsinger

and I have to be nice, it's his computer

 

MadR

There was that one Booster Gold, on horseback.....

 

starsinger

hey, I've got an idea, if we don't like how Astonishing ends, let's write our own!

 

melodyrider

Actually it was mostly because of Astonishing. I really wanted to set my next arc after the end of Unstoppable, and didn't want to write something that might contradict canon

 

starsinger

ending

 

melodyrider

Now I pretty much have to set it before Torn, but I should still be able to get it to work

 

starsinger

I like contradicting cannon

 

amokitty

Mel, you know we might be having this conversation three months from now, right? ;) :D

 

MadR

I only pay attention to canon that isn't stupid anyway.

 

amokitty

LOL.

 

melodyrider

Hee! Yes, that is a genuine possibility, isn't it?

 

xakko

i've already deviated

 

MadR

So if I don't like the official ending, I'll wander off into my own AU

 

starsinger

I took a left turn months ago, never found my way back

 

xakko

but Mel was trying to prove a Kitty series would work, and doing an admirable job

 

MadR

.....that hostile takeover of Marvel idea of mine is looking better and better....

 

amokitty

I have a bad feeling that's what all of you will be doing once #24 is released.

 

xakko

i broke off at the end of Kits and haven't looked back

 

amokitty

And you're happier for it, aren't you Xak?

 

xakko

sure thing

 

melodyrider

Thanks, Xakko, and you've done some great things with your story. I like the way it's deviated from canon

 

J_Harper

Deathless is its own universe, though I don't know when or if I'll ever get back to it.

 

xakko

unlike Joss, i believe in happy endings and thing they can work

 

xakko

thanks to you, Mel.

 

melodyrider

I find it funny that Astonishing isn't the title that's causing the most changes to the stories I've plotted. It's New X-Men

 

MadR

I wonder if the Writer's Strike means Joss will finish the last few Astonishing faster....

 

J_Harper

Did Whedon really say that?

 

MadR

If it's the scripts holding things up and not the art...

 

xakko

whedon has said that happy endings don't make good stories, yes

 

melodyrider

He basically did, yeah. Whedon is not a fan of happy endings

 

starsinger

I think it's done, they're just getting it done in post

 

amokitty

I'm so glad that you finished your original Deathless work, Jeremy. It can stand on its own, and of course will remain great no matter what. And that's thanks to Colossus being alive in Astonishing and you deviating from canon.

 

xakko

it's all on Cassaday at this point, i thought

 

MadR

Deathless is one of the best fanfic stories I've ever read.

 

xakko

agreed

 

amokitty

I think stories that have too many sad endings kill the enjoyment of it. There are a LOT of sad stories going on right now!

 

MadR

Darn. I was hoping JW not being distracted by movie scripts or this god-awful new series Dollhouse might help the schedule.

 

starsinger

this is true, I might still just write it, so I can give it a happy ending

 

starsinger

except I need to finish future past

 

J_Harper

Whedon is a fool, then. Needless tragedy is just as numbing and poor as needless happiness. The path of you story and the themes you are working with should dictate its end, not something as arbitrary and foolish as thinking that one sort of ending always makes a poor story whenever used.

 

starsinger

everybody makes it back!

 

amokitty

I want Joss to really surprise me next ish. Why am I so scared that I'll be disappointed? I'm fearing the worst here. I love Joss, but it's looking like Astonishing will end on a sour note.

 

DB91939

is "Thus" a word that is usually used in a scholarly essay?

 

DB91939

or is that too dramatic?

 

starsinger

as a transition, it can be

 

amokitty

It depends on context DB.

 

xakko

its pretty dramatic

 

MadR

I've said it before: Joss is a hack. He's got a limited bag of tricks that seemed fresh because they were the opposite of common cliches.

 

DB91939

"Thus, the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) was formed in 1951 with six member nations"

 

melodyrider

That sounds good to me, DB!

 

starsinger

as long as u don't use it too often

 

amokitty

I don't think it works, DB. But that's only me; others might feel differently.

 

amokitty

See? Mel thinks it's fine. It's hard to know how a professor will interpret your work.

 

DB91939

I like it better than "And so...." because I hate starting sentences with "and"

 

amokitty

I'm guilty of it. Never start a sentence with a preposition. And yet, sometimes it sounds better....  ;)

 

J_Harper

Shari, did I ever answer your questions about Sharyala? I can't remember if I did. If you want to ask 'em again, feel free, 'cause I don't know when I'll be getting back to White Dreams and Crimson Nightmares.

 

MadR

And I say that as a big Buffy/Angel/Firefly fan.

 

DB91939

also... seriously. Why do they need two different formats. APA and MLA.

 

DB91939

why can't there be one universal way of writing papers?

 

starsinger

it would be boring

 

MadR

DB: wish I could help, but it's been a long time since my year of college.

 

amokitty

No dear, I didn't get the Sharyala answers, but I know life gets hectic. :)

 

DB91939

s'okay

 

J_Harper

Yesh, it does. :)

 

DB91939

God... my first paragraph rocks so hardcore though

 

starsinger

that's a good thing, right?

 

DB91939

I should get it framed

 

DB91939

yeah

 

starsinger

good!

 

amokitty

I had like, a million questions..... hmmmm. Doubt that I can remember them all. Give me minute??  J

 

xakko

hard to turn it in when it's in a frame

 

DB91939

I'm just stressing out a little more than I need to. I did get a 100/100 on my study of Marshall Islands culture last week

 

starsinger

wrote my junior thesis for high sxhool in my sleep

 

J_Harper

Take your time.

 

DB91939

what was your thesis on?

 

starsinger

volcanoes

 

amokitty

Sharyala seems to think she has some sort of claim/right to Peter. What is the reasoning behind her interest?

 

DB91939

oh. sounds funner than mine. I think I wrote about how the Great Depression was actually a positive event

 

DB91939

I don't remember. or terrorism

 

starsinger

it was almost on Beethoven, but my teacher thought that wasn't challenging enough

 

DB91939

that would have been fun!

 

MadR

Jeremy: was Zsaji deliberately preying on Johnny and Piotr, or was she just something like Sharyala but more benevolent?

 

DB91939

yeah, my termpaper/thesis senior year was on gay marriage and I had so much fun with that. I got like, only 5 points off and that was due to stupid MLA formatting

 

amokitty

Good question, Rose. I'd like to know that myself.

 

DB91939

it's good when you find somethign to write about that's fun

 

DB91939

Thus- why fiction novels are usually easier to read than tech manuals

 

starsinger

so true

 

DB91939

oh man... there are about 8 drunk sorority girls outside my house dancing the soulja boy dance

 

starsinger

David Eddings vs the car manual for that saturn sitting the driveway

 

J_Harper

I think Zsaji didn't realy know what she was doing. Either she was damaged in someway, or more likely, altered by some power, so that she couldn't use all the abilities inherent to her race. I think she was feeding off of Piotr and Johnny, but in a very minor way, one that did not really hurt them physically, though it did change them - especially Peter - emotionally.

 

amokitty

Mel, I was wondering if you've thought of writing about others characters. What other characters would you consider writing a story about?

 

DB91939

it would suck to be Zsaji

 

DB91939

I mean... other than the dead thing

 

amokitty

Heh, heh.

 

DB91939

because you would always wonder if the person you were with was really into the real you

 

starsinger

bite my tongue moment, what if she wasn't?

 

amokitty

Altered by the Beyonder, Jeremy?

 

J_Harper

I pretty much think Zsaji was slaved and altered, because of her race's abilities to heal and hurt with a touch.

 

DB91939

hm...

 

DB91939

that would be interesting. a fic from her POV

 

melodyrider

I've had a friend tell me he'd like me to write Spider-man, and I'm hoping to add more cameos to my story to see how well I grasp some other characters

 

MadR

Ooh, that's a fascinating idea, Jeremy!

 

J_Harper

Not sure. I need to do research into Secret Wars to figure it out, and that's not something I'mr really looking forward to.

 

xakko

with good reason, jeremy

 

xakko

it's terribly written

 

amokitty

Mel: Like you've done with X-Factor in Adventures?

 

J_Harper

Thanks.

 

DB91939

time for munchies!

 

melodyrider

*nods* Yeah, but I don't know if I'm ready to tackle another character for something long-term

 

amokitty

Zsaji could use some backstory. She's not terribly interesting or compelling as a character. Makes you wonder why Johnny or Peter gave her the time of day.

 

MadR

There's a fun crossover: Zsaji the Wraith Queen....

 

xakko

they were hurt :)

 

melodyrider

I think Peter was partially intrigued by the fact that she came from a farming background like him

 

amokitty

Jeremy, Sharyala RECOGNIZED something in Peter that made her think he was ‘her match’. She also seems to think he’s SOLELY hers. In her culture there were legends about people finding their ‘bright souls’. I’m almost afraid to ask, but what are these bright souls?

 

starsinger

yeah, I can see how that would work

 

amokitty

I never thought of that, Mel. Good point. I know she was created by Shooter for one purpose only, but you'd think Zsaji would have something over Kitty. Something that REALLY made her "better" as Kitty recently mentioned. Kitty has it all over that bimbo, naturally. :D

 

MadR

I still think Zsjai had a pheromonal or empathic lure though.

 

melodyrider

Hee! Kitty wins of Zsaji no contest :)

 

darkstorm5000 joined.

 

 

melodyrider

*over

 

J_Harper

A bright soul is an almost legend to her culture. Basically, its a person who's physical and spiritual energies are a perfect match for for an individual vampire (I haven't figure out the name of her race yet, so I'll use that term) needs, and one that they'll never exhaust. They can feed on them for eternity, and the nourishment they receive from it is far, far better than what they usually get from random prey.

 

xakko

hi ds

 

amokitty

Darkstorm, so glad you made it! Hi! :)

 

melodyrider

Hi Darkstorm!

 

MadR

I think the 'better' thing is that Zsjai pretty much died twice trying to save the X Men.

 

MadR

Again, Jeremy, great idea!

 

xakko

peter was having doubts about Kitty, due to her close friendship with Doug

 

DB91939

mmm apple and peanut butter

 

xakko

he recognized that Doug had things in common with her that he didn't

 

J_Harper

I think Peter was Zsaji's bright soul, as well as Sharyala's, thus why Zsaji 'dropped' Johnny to concentrate her abilities on Peter. Though, in this case, Zsaji didn't really know what she was doing - it was mostly instinct.

 

J_Harper

You're making me blush, Rose. ;)

 

amokitty

But the Doug thing seems invented for Secret Wars, too. Contrived.

 

DB91939

yep

 

MadR

Actually, very creepy idea, Jeremy. An eternity being enslaved and fed upon...shivers.

 

xakko

well, CC was told that they had to break up, so yeah

 

DB91939

you know what would suck, be interesting, and be hilarious all at the same time?

 

xakko

it's almost like what i thought would happen if Selene had gotten her claws into Juggernaut in 183

 

DB91939

if they brought Rigby Fallon back

 

amokitty

I love that premise, Jeremy. She's everything that Zsaji isn't. No wonder Peter is running scared. Does he recognize the same pull she does? Or does he recognize her features and the memories they bring?

 

amokitty

Rigby Fallon. LMAO. Another desperately contrived situation. Can you believe Marvel paid these writers to come up with this stuff?

 

DB91939

I know

 

MadR

I can buy that Piotr would be a little jealous of Doug though. I'd almost wish they'd used that to break Peter and Kitty up rather than the Secret Wars mess.

 

DB91939

I once read him being described as "Doug Ramsey on speed"

 

J_Harper

Combination of both. She looks almost exactly like Zsaji, save for the red hair. Her touch also brings back memories that are superficiouly pleasant, but ones Peter does not want to remember.

 

xakko

i thought rigby fallon was a great counterpart to the zsaji/doug ramsey breakup.

 

amokitty

If Selene nabbed Cain, I think Logan and Peter might not be speaking today. Heh .

 

DB91939

like Kitty was being hypocritical?

 

DB91939

hm

 

J_Harper

Peter can better resist the pull, however, since he's far more certain about his relationship with Kitty this time out.

 

darkstorm5000 left.

 

 

amokitty

DB, that's very apt. Rigby looked EXACTLY like Doug.

 

J_Harper

However, that does not mean he wants prolonged exposure to it.

 

DB91939

Say what you will about the Pryde/Wisdom pairing... I mean, even if you hated it that was a pretty horrible and lazy way of breaking htem up

 

amokitty

Marvel doesn't know how to break up couples convincingly at all. They're lousy about it.

 

starsinger

they deserve a happy ending

 

darkstorm5000 joined.

 

 

amokitty

Jeremy, you make Peter sound like a heroin addict. LOL.

 

starsinger

okay, froggy's breathing down my neck, gotta give him back the computer. hagn

 

darkstorm5000

Hi, everybody!

 

amokitty

We missed you, DS. :)

 

xakko

hey ds... sticking around this time?

 

J_Harper

In a way, he is. The touch of Sharyala's race is addicting. To put it crudly, they're the ultimate fuck, but you pay a terrible price for it.

 

starsinger left.

 

 

xakko

gah, jeremy

 

darkstorm5000

Yeah, computer kept blocking the chat window like a pop-up or something.

 

amokitty

Wow. Is everybody having these problems staying? I'm not. Hmmm.

 

DB91939

oh my god: http://goodpeopleoftheworld.com/art/

 

DB91939

I just found that

 

DB91939

it's cracking me up

 

xakko

i'm fine... i just screwed up with deb's mac

 

amokitty

Kitty will have her hands full trying to beat Sharyala then. Oh dear.... She wanted a fight with Zsaji, but now she'll get the next best (and far harder) thing.

 

J_Harper

No, it won't be easy, and Sharyala will have friends to help her when she realizes that she's outnumbered.

 

melodyrider

That could still be amazingly cathartic for her, though

 

amokitty

I’d really like to know if Sharyala’s powers can affect Kitty like they do Peter (I’m hoping she’s immune so she can kick that witch’s ass!). Does Sharyala have healing abilities??

 

J_Harper

Sharyala has healing abilities, empathic abilities, and can wound someone just by touching them. She can also enhance her strength and endurance over short periods of time, but it costs her much to do so. I don't think Sharyala can drain Kitty, or make her feel good the way she can make Peter. While other members of her race may be different, Sharyala needs masculine energies in order to feed properly. Feminine energies aren't good for her.

 

melodyrider

That's really interesting, and it sounds like you've got her race really well thought out, Jeremy!

 

J_Harper

If any of you have ever read the Dresden Files, Sharyala is a lot like a White Court Vampire.

 

amokitty

I haven't read the book, but I've seen the series (now gone).

 

J_Harper

Well, I'll admit freely I'm stealing shamelessly. Sharyala is heavily based on Shambleau, the vampire like creature in C.L. Moore's science fantasy story of the same name.

 

MadR

Didn't you also say something about Shambleu?

 

MadR

Heh, jinx.

 

J_Harper

Yup, just did. :)

 

MadR

and a bit like the Wraith in Stargate Atlantis.

 

amokitty

Well I'm hooked on the story, and hope that somehow we'll get to read more of it. :)

 

xakko

m e too

 

J_Harper

We'll see. I got some things I need to work out first, but I'd like to write some more Kiotr. I'm just not in the proper mindset for it, right now.

 

xakko

gotcha. we'll carry the torch for the time being

 

J_Harper

I'd like to start that round robin story cycle, Tearing Down Walls, at the very least.

 

amokitty

We're really quite patient, you know. And besides that, I'm sure we would enjoy reading whatever subject you cared to write. Good authors are hard to come by.

 

xakko

i've come to the mindset that no one should be forced to write anything

 

amokitty

Follow your muse..... or not. As you like it. :)

 

J_Harper

:)

 

amokitty

Xak, when can we see the next chap of Book of Magik? Is the end near?

 

xakko

i'm about 2/3rds done with this chapter.

 

xakko

and i haven't started anything other than Pete and Kurt. oops

 

melodyrider

I've been following it on LWW and enjoying it immensely

 

xakko

i think two more chapters?

 

MadR

that was one hell of a dragonback fight scene, though!

 

xakko

things have to get much worse before getting better. then worse, then the hopeful happy ending

 

amokitty

heh, like I said we're a very patient bunch! We're still waiting on Mel, and have you seen me give him any grief? lol. Same goes for Darkstorm! ;)

 

xakko

i've been wondering if the last character will seem like a deus ex machina, tho'

 

amokitty

Ok, now I want to know who it is! You're such a tease.

 

xakko

there's been at least one clue in there

 

MadR

Heh, I have no idea how you're going to end this, so it won't be too obvious an ending.

 

amokitty

Agreed.

 

xakko

i have a rough outline of the ending. i've been winging far too much of it

 

amokitty

Two chapters isn't long. Xak, are you trying to make up for lost time? You've writing a lot lately (and we're loving it).

 

xakko

i felt guilty about the LWW writing contest

 

xakko

i took 2 months off

 

amokitty

Don't.

 

DB91939

let me offer up a bit of random sage advice:

 

DB91939

never get a house or apartment near all the sororoties and frats. You'll be up until 4 in the morning every thursday friday and saturday with people screaming.

 

xakko

gotcha

 

amokitty

Curious question, DB. How old do you think most of us are?

 

amokitty

It's only curiosity, not a trick question. :)

 

DB91939

oh I have no idea.

 

DB91939

but... still

 

DB91939

even if you're like 98. don't go to a retirement home near a frat

 

amokitty

LOL!  That IS good advice! :D

 

amokitty

I enjoyed your work in the contest, Xak. Have you thought about putting any of it up on FF.net?

 

DB91939

which contest?

 

amokitty

A contest on the Livewire World website.

 

xakko

maybe the Lockheed story

 

amokitty

You should!

 

xakko

nothing else seems good enough

 

amokitty

As Kitty would say, I object!

 

amokitty

;)

 

melodyrider

HAHAHAHA

 

DB91939

I did love the part in the last comic about her bad acting

 

xakko

i'm not sure about that. kitty's shown good improv skills and is an incredible public speaker

 

MadR

it was a cute bit, but I didn't think it worked for the character.

 

amokitty

She did a great job of acting in Uncanny #197. She made herself disappear unnoticed.

 

darkstorm5000

Maybe the motivation has to be there?

 

MadR

And 'is not courtroom drama, Katya' Broken english from Piotr....

 

amokitty

It DID seem a bit ooc, Rose. But it worked well for the scene joke wise.

 

DB91939

ugh

 

melodyrider

I'm chalking it up to Kitty being too worked up to focus on being convincing

 

DB91939

well at least they aren't replacing all of Piotr's W's with V's. "Vhere is the Vatermelon, Varren?"

 

amokitty

Gotta be it, DS. And Kitty is already feeling under the weather just from being on that planet.

 

MadR

Ha!

 

DB91939

as so many horrible fanfiction writers do... not realizing that Piotr is Russian, and not count Dracula

 

MadR

And Kitty having gone through hell....

 

amokitty

Yep.

 

amokitty

I would so like to know Peter's opinion on that. sigh. We'll never know.

 

MadR

It's hard to convey an accent without resorting to the stereotype....

 

MadR

We're stuck with that in Viktor in Harry Potter fic since JKR did it in the books.

 

amokitty

Claremont never wrote him with an accent, per say. Just a more formal way of speaking English. Like Storm and Nightcrawler.

 

DB91939

exactly

 

amokitty

Oh, I know! Viktor is speaking like big quidditch thug, I am thinking.....

 

MadR

It so sucks that there's so little Viktor/Hermione fic and there's one author who writes with such a ridiculous accent I can't even read hir work....

 

amokitty

You have to work too hard to make everything out. Takes all the fun from it, and is way too distracting.

 

xakko

i'll try to be careful of that if I get that far.

 

DB91939

yep

 

MadR

I tend to 'hear' Michael Adamthwaite from X Men Evolution as Piotr's Voice...even though he only spoke in two episodes. Still more than Cudmore got.

 

DB91939

which is one of the many many reasons I don't read Romys

 

DB91939

AH bahleeve that we ahr too ahnnoying

 

DB91939

er...

 

DB91939

ahnnoyin

 

amokitty

What is Joss thinking? He's read the books for as long as most of us have. He knows better, so why is he changing how Colossus sounds? I know he doesn't have a handle on the character, but Lobdell gave Peter a better speaking voicce than this!

 

J_Harper

Folks, I'm going to head out now. Take care.

 

MadR

Seeya Jeremy. G'night

 

DB91939

see ya

 

xakko

g'nite jeremy

 

amokitty

Jeremy, thank you so much for coming! I'm really glad you did! Thanks!

 

melodyrider

Good night, Jeremy!

 

darkstorm5000

Have a good one J!

 

amokitty

Have a great weekend!

 

xakko

looking forward to reading that new stuff when you get around to it

 

DB91939

ok... why do I suddenly smell cheetos?

 

J_Harper

Thanks everyone. Take care, and g'night.

 

J_Harper left.

 

 

amokitty

Goodnight!

 

melodyrider

What really makes it strange is that Peter didn't have the broken English at the start of the story. Why did he start changing it?

 

MadR

I wonder if it was because it was supposed to be telepathic communication....

 

amokitty

Somewhere during all the many delays? They got so long in the tooth that Joss forgot? ;)

 

xakko

it wasn't perfect english, even at the start

 

MadR

...a heavy-handed attempt to show he still thinks in Russian and Emma was translating?

 

DB91939

maybe... he got so pissed at Xavier... uh... he decided to forget his perfect english psychic training

 

DB91939

God.. that's a horrible reason and it's the best I could come up with

 

amokitty

I think Kitty speaks Buffyish more and more too. The 'whoof' speech for instance.

 

MadR

Or he got rusty after two years in Benetech's basement with noone to talk to.

 

MadR

Kitty sounds like Buffy, Emma sounds like Lilah/Cordelia, Scott is Mal/Wesley/Angel....

 

MadR

...I still kinda want to write that crossover with Drusilla, River and Blindfold talking to each other....

 

amokitty

You haven't forgotten it! yessss! I remember you mentioning it during a chat quite a while back, Rose. That conversation would be vexing as hell to write, and yet so much fun for the readers!

 

DB91939

How old is Kitty now?

 

MadR

The skinny pyschic brunette who's a little crazy and speaks in non-sequiters.

 

DB91939

22?

 

MadR

I think she's 22 or 23

 

amokitty

My guess is 20/21.

 

xakko

*shrugs*... i was just rereading the one's i requested from amokitty - some of his best lines under CC there

 

xakko

i'll have to watch angel/buffy to understand it, won't i?

 

xakko

21 is my guess too

 

amokitty

Early 20's??? LOL. No one will ever give her another birthday, you know. Her age is too damn complicated.

 

darkstorm5000

I'd say 22-24, given how old the Gen X'rs are supposed to be now.

 

MadR

The three of them are pretty much the same character. If I did write it, I'd try to keep it general

 

melodyrider

I really wish Marvel would just drop the idea of giving the characters specific ages completely

 

DB91939

yeah

 

DB91939

they're ageless

 

DB91939

like Dick Clark

 

xakko

i still prefer they do progress, if ever so slowly.

 

amokitty

Rose: I'd laugh my way through the whole thing. :)

 

DB91939

heh. they should do a special issue: 50 years in the future. they're all in nursing homes or something

 

xakko

unlike Joey Q, i thought the idea that Spidey got married was a positive direction for the character

 

melodyrider

It'd be much less of a headache to use general classifcations like Teenager, Old Enough to Drive, Old Enough to Drink...

 

xakko

that's kinda the idea behind Genext, DB

 

xakko

that they'd aged in real time, starting in the 60’s

 

DB91939

never read Genext

 

xakko

it's not out yet

 

DB91939

oh

 

xakko

it was delayed by CC's stroke

 

amokitty

I haven't heard a word about GeneXt in ages. I wonder if it's off the table now?

 

MadR

Heh, reading the Astonishing where Blindfold breaks Henry out of Cassi Nova's hold on him, and then the Firefly comic where River starts shouting about 'a ball of yarn!"

 

amokitty

Mel! LOL. I absolutely agree!

 

amokitty

Holy crap, Rose. I forgot about the River scene! And I own the comics and the trade. What's my excuse?

 

xakko

it's still in the works, apparently

 

MadR

That's what gave me the idea. And you could skip from Drusilla naming the stars to River plotting a course for Serenity...

 

xakko

CC wrote on comixfan that the first issue is finished

 

amokitty

Xak, I was so hoping we wouldn't have to read it. Darn it. I suppose CC should be grateful he's got the work, but the book doesn't interest me at all.

 

amokitty

And yes, I do try to support Claremont. although I haven't been enamored of much of his stuff lately. Exiles still holds my interest though.

 

xakko

he's hit or miss with me. which puts him about Brubaker, Yost, Kyle, and Carey, who nearly always disappoint

 

MadR

Whatever happened to that Colossus Mythos book?

 

xakko

the only consistent X-writer for me was PAD, and even his latest stuff didn't do much for me

 

amokitty

Another one of those books we haven't heard a thing about lately. I'll bet anything Granov is off the book.

 

MadR

PAD is one of those writers who, when he's good it's great and when it's bad it sucks.

 

melodyrider

I'd kind of like a slight shift in the arrangement of the X-Books to play to each writer's strengths

 

amokitty

Kinda like Whedon in that regard, I think.

 

melodyrider

"Carey you and PAD will get to work on two books, but you can only do plot and PAD handles the characters"

 

xakko

does Brubaker have strengths? (sorry, i know a lot of people like him, but i find him always underwhelming in everything i've read by him)

 

melodyrider

"BKV, we're letting you have New X-Men, but *try* to remember the title *isn't* about youth disenfranchised with authority figures"

 

amokitty

I've hated Bru's stuff. I'm not liking his version of Warpath at all. :/

 

xakko

am i wrong to be bothered that a Brit got to kill off Captain America?

 

amokitty

Mel.... you nailed it!!

 

melodyrider

"Kyle, Yost, you're going to have to spend another month in the box..."

 

amokitty

Really, Xak? I haven't been following much of comics lately due to RL. Spoil away! Who killed Cap?

 

xakko

Brubaker did

 

amokitty

Is anybody looking forward to Kyle and Yost's new X-Force book?

 

xakko

(actually it was a mind-controlled Sharon Carter, but a snarky British guy wrote it)

 

xakko

god no. they shouldnt' be allowed near Rahne.

 

darkstorm5000

At this point, I'm not looking forward to a new X-Force book. Period.

 

xakko

not that PAD's done that much with her

 

amokitty

*laughs* I thought you meant a specific character. Is Bru British? He didn't speak with an accent when I met him.

 

xakko

i thought he was

 

amokitty

X-Force doesn't interest me anymore now than it did in the 90's

 

amokitty

What is everyone's opinion on "Cat" Pryde in Exiles? A little young to wear that Bartender outfit if you ask me. ;)

 

xakko

i'm wrong... maryland

 

amokitty

Does anyone here read CC's Exiles?

 

darkstorm5000

Maybe her timeline has a lower legal drinking age than ours?

 

amokitty

*cracks up*

 

melodyrider

I've been reading it

 

melodyrider

I was a bit surprised when the promo stated she was 16

 

amokitty

We know she's younger than 616 Kitty, because Betsy said so. She seems older in the way she acts.

 

amokitty

Really, Mel? Didn't know that.

 

MadR

I'm going to have to call it a night, folks.

 

xakko

CC always wrote Kitty as acting adult but having momentary bits of childishness

 

MadR

Nice chatting with ya.

 

amokitty

Rose, thanks for stopping by!

 

xakko

g'nite rose, glad to see you

 

melodyrider

Good night, Rose!

 

amokitty

Goodnight Rose! :)

 

MadR

G'nite, all!

 

darkstorm5000

Goodnite Rose!

 

MadR left.

 

 

amokitty

I think Cat Pryde is hiding something. I wonder if the Cockrums know what it is.

 

amokitty

I'm calling the mysterious couple in Exiles The Cockrums, because it sure as heck strongly hinted that they're based on Dave and Paty.

 

DB91939

whoa... it's 11 already?

 

DB91939

crazy

 

amokitty

Is time flying, DB?

 

DB91939

I guess so

 

darkstorm5000

Way Cat kept talking to Thunderbird, makes you wonder if there's something else going on...

 

DB91939

I'm so engrossed in this stupid paper

 

amokitty

I thought so, DS! She's got an agenda of some sort. She's not a 'good little girl' at all, I suspect.

 

darkstorm5000

Like you said, hiding something. Perhaps a guilty conscience?

 

melodyrider

With Cat I keep thinking about the way Terra from the Teen Titans was originally inspired by Kitty, and wonder if Claremont's planning to take her in a similar direction

 

amokitty

Could be. But is this Kitty capable of feeling guilty? Maybe not.

 

xakko

i read exiles in trades, so i haven't really read any Cat Pryde stories

 

DB91939

Terra was originally inspired by Kitty?

 

DB91939

whaaaat?

 

amokitty

That is a great idea, Mel. It works! I think you're on to something.

 

darkstorm5000

Everyone was inspired by Kitty

 

melodyrider

It's just a feelihng, but I have't been able to shake it since she showed up

 

amokitty

Yep, Marv Wolfman wanted to create the "anti-Kitty". The ultimate Judas for the Judas Contract.

 

amokitty

With Kitty being in Exiles I thought that was a clue for Kitty in 616 getting axed, but with another Rogue on Exiles; I think that scratches that theory.

 

darkstorm5000

Don't speak to soon. If they'd kill Cap, then...

 

amokitty

Ha! You're right, of course. :)

 

darkstorm5000

Not that any of its that great of an idea, though

 

amokitty

I do worry over Kitty's fate in Astonishing. Can't help it.  I'm sure I'll have plenty of time to develop an ulcer over this, because we know damn good and well that Astonishing #24 is NOT coming out in a month!

 

amokitty

I don't care WHAT Marvel says.

 

darkstorm5000

By this time next year, maybe?

 

amokitty

Uh-huh. ;)

 

xakko

i guess i'm just hoping it's far too obvious that Kitty is going to die that she doesn't

 

darkstorm5000

second that here

 

melodyrider

Does anybody remember if 18 came out a month after 17?

 

amokitty

It's the fact that she's had trouble with the Breakworld material almost from day one - when Joss supposedly wasn't doing 24 issues - just 12.

 

amokitty

Mel, I think it did. In August and September of last year.

 

melodyrider

With any luck that will be the case with 24, I'm hoping

 

amokitty

I'll faint if it does. :D

 

xakko

heh

 

amokitty

Has anyone heard anymore details on the giant sized book, or annual or whatever they're calling it now? I haven't in a good long while.

 

DB91939

I think 24 is still slated for release in December

 

DB91939

according to marvel.com

 

xakko

maybe it's been ditched.

 

xakko

i do wonder, did Joss decide to do another 12 issues because of the disappointing reaction to his second arc

 

DB91939

hm

 

DB91939

maybe

 

DB91939

or maybe he had ideas that he didn't want to hand off to anyone else.

 

DB91939

He didn't want to risk the ending he had envisioned

 

amokitty

Part of me wonders if Joss was really intending to do 24 issues from the very beginning. He and Marvel just played coy to gain more hype.

 

xakko

you also may wonder if he was going to kill Kitty (or someone else) and they judged it to be too risky and he had to re-write his ending

 

DB91939

oooh

 

amokitty

Kitty is pretty flipping popular. Why would Marvel risk it? But then again Marvel has been rubber stamping every crazy idea that a hollywood writer comes up with. Later the headaches they get from it all makes for massive retconning.

 

xakko

if the rumors about One More Day are true, i think Marvel is capable of anything...

 

amokitty

I think it was from a marketing perspective that Colossus was brought back.

 

xakko

... except producing good stories

 

amokitty

I am so mad at Marvel over they're going to do with Spidey and MJ... I'm still seething.

 

amokitty

No marrige is safe in Marvel. Reed and Sue better look out.

 

darkstorm5000

At least I'll have Amazing Spider-girl. For the time-being anyways

 

amokitty

That book always has an axe over its head, doesn't it? :(

 

darkstorm5000

A perpertual one, it seems like

 

amokitty

There's too much cheating in Marvel too. Peter, Scott, Wisdom, Crystal, Wanda..... I think the shock value of that is long gone these days. What WOULD be shocking? Seeing a couple work on their problems. Too boring I suppose. But I thought what Spidey and MJ had, was rare.

 

xakko

even Medusa, in Silent War

 

xakko

but apparently Black Bolt was a Skrull, so... who the hell knows anyway

 

amokitty

I didn't read that. she cheated on Blackbolt???

 

xakko

almost, with Maximus

 

amokitty

No way! Ewwww.

 

amokitty

That's unbelievable, actually. I knew he was a super Skrull, but for Medusa to cheat? Geez.

 

xakko

If I became EIC, I would never let Bendis write 616 stories

 

DB91939

Is there any talk of bringing Jean back again?

 

DB91939

how did she even die this time around?

 

xakko

stupidly

 

xakko

Morrison had Xorneto kill her

 

xakko

because he is a moron about X-history

 

amokitty

Oh lord, I wish you WERE the EIC! Then we'd get rid of hack writers and replace them with good ones. I think everyone here could write rings around most of Marvel's best. You all seem to care so much more than they do.

 

xakko

and some people think that Messiah Complex may be about her return

 

DB91939

Xorneto?

 

xakko

that the baby is phoenix

 

DB91939

hm

 

DB91939

has anyone stayed dead?

 

darkstorm5000

Why am I not surprised?

 

xakko

Doug

 

DB91939

ah yes

 

DB91939

is Megan still dead?

 

xakko

except in Book of Magik, of course ;)

 

amokitty

That's a good theory. But who would be the parents of new baby Jean?

 

DB91939

is she even dead?

 

xakko

Megan wasn't killed

 

xakko

she's just trapped in another dimension

 

amokitty

I think Meggan is coming back.

 

xakko

Meggan, whoops, knew it looked wrong

 

DB91939

hm

 

xakko

as for the baby - it might also somehow be Madelyne, since it was born in Alaska.

 

amokitty

wouldn't that be a kicker!

 

DB91939

whoa

 

xakko

Annalea's still dead, and Tommy and all the other Morlocks.

 

DB91939

so she'd be a daughter of her own clone?

 

amokitty

Gwen is still dead.

 

xakko

yeah. but given One More Day, are you sure that will stick?

 

amokitty

Point.

 

darkstorm5000

Although what they've done to her memory in the meantime, could it be any worse?

 

amokitty

Who do you think the villain in OMD is? I think it's Loki.

 

amokitty

DS, LOL. and so very, very true.

 

xakko

it would almost have to be, with that level of change.

 

xakko

who are the other options?

 

DB91939

yeesh

 

DB91939

even Jason Todd isn't dead anymore

 

DB91939

I had forgotten about that

 

amokitty

Wasn't Mysterio and option?

 

xakko

I would've protested by calling it Q'isahdha the Evil Djinn

 

amokitty

LMAO.

 

amokitty

Brilliant!!!!!!

 

xakko

Mysterio able to change history? And grant MJ powers?

 

amokitty

Yeah, she's Jackpot now, isn't she?

 

xakko

apparently

 

amokitty

Is Wanda an option, lol?

 

xakko

apparently she's memory challenged and powerless

 

amokitty

For now.

 

xakko

god, that issue of New Avengers sucked

 

xakko

she also would never make Peter make that choice. it's too disturbing

 

xakko

gah, BUNNY BINKY!

 

amokitty

The choice is awful. I know that Aunt May would tell Peter in a heartbeat. Save your wife and your future with her. I've lived mine. Be happy.

 

amokitty

Does Puff have lots of toys? ;)

 

xakko

yup.

 

xakko

it will also allow him to have a secret identity again

 

amokitty

Having Peter reveal himself was the stupidest thing that this very smart man ever did. Since when would Peter Parker let Stark dictate about his personal life? Gah.

 

xakko

because it got the press to talk about it? (in RL?)

 

amokitty

There's too much I dislike about comics lately. I seriously wonder if I'm close to giving it up. I've never been so down on them as I have been in the last couple of years.

 

amokitty

I wonder if Ellis could make me change my mind....

 

xakko

* arches an eyebrow

 

amokitty

What are everyone's thoughts on Ellis taking over Astonishing?

 

melodyrider

I'm nearing that point myself, but after abandoning comics for close to ten years once already I'm looking for any silver lining there might be

 

xakko

i don't think the man likes to write superheroes, and that it shows

 

darkstorm5000

I'm reserving judgement, at least until I read his first issue and see what kind of take he has on it.

 

amokitty

He tends to breathe new life into his projects, but like Morrison, can wreck a lot of havoc (no pun intended). He can do more harm than good. He was great on X-Force. He did indeed bring about positive changes, but then again look at Iron Man. Just the opposite.

 

darkstorm5000

The only thing I have to judge him by is when he first took over Excalibur way back when (before I quit comics altogether for a number of reasons), and what I've read recently of his in Thunderbolts and Nextwave.

 

DB91939

I'm happy Ellis is taking over

 

DB91939

I LOVED his run on Excalibur

 

DB91939

It was light without being corny, serious when need be... but not heavy or angsty

 

amokitty

I've heard great things about Nextwave, but never read it. It didn't get much in sales from what little I know. I suppose even the Ellis name wasn't enough to save it.

 

xakko

it was OK. it had moments of humor, but was terribly over-hyped

 

darkstorm5000

It was a lot of tongue-in-cheek humor. Okay most of the time, but I can understand why it got axed.

 

xakko

and true to form, the characters bore no resemblance to any previous incarnations

 

amokitty

Ellis doesn't like mainstream, and yet that's what the general public likes and buys. I find myself wondering if some of the Brit writers have a sort of niche that they belong in. There's stereotype that goes along with it unfortunately. That Brit writers give scintillating wit and intellectual food for thought in their books, and you must be a peasant for not liking/understanding it. I'm really seeing more and more of this attitude, guys.

 

amokitty

I stopped going to the Millar World board because of it.

 

darkstorm5000

I'm like this, a good story is a good story regardless of the author's intended aim. And garbage is just that, no matter what kind of wrapping is put around it.

 

xakko

Fair enough, DS.

 

amokitty

I think Astonishing could use a different tone once Joss leaves, so in that respect, Ellis fits the bill. The delays make the book feel like it's stagnating a bit. Heh, I can't help wondering what Ellis will think if his book keeps getting delayed! August should give him enough of a heads start though.

 

xakko

just had a minor breakout - i thought i'd pulled the power cord from the wall, and failed to replace the gate well enough. the bunny took a little stroll but is back in now

 

amokitty

Oh no, did Puff cause this?

 

xakko

no, just took advantage of it. she's got a bit of the crazies right now

 

amokitty

She's a night owl. :D

 

amokitty

DS, do you plan to add more chapters to your stories anytime soon?

 

amokitty

It's been a while..... ;)

 

darkstorm5000

I'm working the next chapter of Connections now. I posted a new one to Before Evolution a couple of weeks ago, finishing up the two-parter with team's first real mission and a trip to Japan.

 

xakko

she's... crepecular?

 

xakko

dawn and dusk... there's a word for that

 

amokitty

I didn't get a notice for the Evo story! FF.net usually sends me an e-mail. Hmmm. I'll have to check on that. I'm glad to know I've some reading to do tomorrow!

 

amokitty

Oh, Xak! *falls over from pun*

 

xakko

i've got to figure out what to do with the girls this chapter.

 

darkstorm5000

Hope you enjoy! Let me know what you think, whenever you get the chance.

 

amokitty

Will do, DS!

 

amokitty

Kitty is in big trouble in BoM, and I can't wait to see what Doug and Belasco have in store!

 

amokitty

I love evil!Doug. He's got a lot of potential as a character.

 

amokitty

I'm really glad everybody has good things for the rest of us to look forward to. Everyone here is working on their projects. Make sure you pimp away on those. We want to know everything you're willing to spill. :)

 

xakko

i'm really concerned that i haven't set up my big reveal well. maybe i'll set up another clue in this chapter

 

amokitty

I'll be looking harder for it too, Xak. Sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees.

 

xakko

i think i need to make sure Kurt regrets wasting his big surprise on an illusory dragon

 

melodyrider

I'm sure the payoff will be great, Xak. You've handled all the other surprises very well in this story

 

xakko

(surprise attack, that is)

 

xakko

so, amokitty, what do you think the perfect kosher Russian dinner would be?

 

amokitty

LOL! Lemme think!

 

xakko

i was searching for a Russian-Jewish menu, but was having trouble, and I couldn't find any suggestions on how to bring it all together

 

xakko

I could leave the scene as it is now, but I think that would add the perfect touch to it.

 

xakko

I have such pedestrian tastes, and so much of Russian food does not sound appetizing... cabbage? gah!

 

DB91939

yeah

 

DB91939

don't they eat a lot of veal?

 

amokitty

Pieroshkis, or blini's with caviar for an appetizer. Borscht or wild mushroom soup to start the meal itself. Followed by a red cabbage and red radish salad with caraway dressing. Classic Chicken Kiev, or Beef Stroganoff for an entree. Fresh fruit and cheese for dessert. All of it washed down with a good beer and a vodka finish. That's all I can think of at the top of my head! Oy!! I need more time! :D

 

darkstorm5000

Wow, that's a lot of information right there!

 

DB91939

I really don't get the point of veal

 

xakko

if you could think about it, i would really appreciate it. and i'll need to re-read the kosher rules.

 

DB91939

you would get more meat if you let the cow grow to adulthood

 

amokitty

Can't stand veal. It's too damn sad. I watched an episode of 20/20 as a kid about veal farming and I'll never forget it.

 

DB91939

I hate veal. I refuse to eat it

 

xakko

and more meat from fish than the eggs, but people eat caviar

 

DB91939

I wrote a letter to my congressman when I was 13 demanding he enact some sort of legislation to ban it or something

 

amokitty

Sure, Xak! I hope I can help in any way. :)

 

xakko

i don't eat veal either. i don't know if it's that worse than what we generally do to cows for meat either, so i may be hypocritical on that

 

darkstorm5000

I've never had veal or caviar either

 

amokitty

I've had some caviar. It's not as bad as some would say. But it is quite salty and fishy.

 

DB91939

there are many meats I don't eat... veal, lamb, mutton, deer, duck, dolphin

 

DB91939

although... I had a boyfriend who worked at the meat counter in a Wild Oats market and he would make us buffalo steaks alot. Those are delicious!

 

DB91939

really flavorful

 

amokitty

I enjoy duck. Smoked duck is very good.

 

xakko

I eat lamb once a year, during a seder dinner. I eat a lot of cow. And much, much chicken

 

amokitty

I love buffalo! Yum1

 

xakko

i don't eat pig unless they sneak it into my hot dogs

 

amokitty

Do you have Jewish relatives, Xak?

 

xakko

i order buffalo burgers when i get the choice

 

xakko

nope. i've just never liked pork or bacon or ham...

 

DB91939

I don't like pork. it makes me ill. I only eat it in bacon form or on a pizza

 

DB91939

I've never had elk though

 

amokitty

You mentioned a seder and i wondered is all.

 

DB91939

you get a lot of weird meats in the stores when you live in Colorado

 

DB91939

I saw moose once in a store

 

amokitty

Huh?

 

xakko

my family's catholic church holds a passover/seder dinner.

 

amokitty

Gotcha!

 

amokitty

I'm still marveling at moose in a super market.

 

xakko

oh, you meant moose meat! i thought you meant there were moose wandering the aisles

 

amokitty

I'd like to know what's everybody's opinion on Cassie Nova and her agenda? Do you think she'll show next issue in Astonishing?

 

xakko

quick question - have i gone to the fantasy sequence well too often? i'm starting to think it's become a crutch for me

 

amokitty

Are you referring to your HP/X x-over, or BoM?

 

DB91939

lol

 

xakko

well, i used it in Kits, i've had several in BoM...

 

DB91939

I wouldn't be surprised if there were moose in the stores

 

DB91939

I honestly don't think Nova will appear

 

xakko

I'm trying to think if I've gone there in the HP one yet, did i?

 

xakko

that's a heckuva dangler if she doesn't

 

DB91939

because... that would just be one more thing on an already crowded list of things they have to wrap up in 24

 

DB91939

she may appear in subsequent issues

 

amokitty

If there's magic involved, then no. I don't think you'll overdo it. I'm sure such things are part of a specific plan you have in mind. And if that's the case, you've nothing to worry about.

 

darkstorm5000

I think if it helps you to get an idea or point across to the reader more effectively, I don't think you can overuse it.

 

amokitty

Not in HP, but I didn't know if you were talking about something you WANTED to do, vs. something that had already been written.

 

xakko

well, the most recent was just the trap Belasco had for Peter

 

amokitty

I haven't read that yet!!!!!!!!!

 

amokitty

I've been a little ill recently. I have some catching up on my reading, you see. :)

 

xakko

well, then you'll see where I want an idea for a Russian dinner

 

amokitty

I wish we'd get some resolution on things that Joss has left open. Tilde. Lockheed. Cassie. Kitty coming to terms with Emma on the mind rape. I fear we won't see them.

 

melodyrider

We know he won't resolve Lockheed

 

amokitty

I'm intrigued, Xak.

 

xakko

btw, any thoughts to kirayoshi's challenge in the kiotr journal? on who you'd like to handle a Kitty and Colossus mini?

 

xakko

i'm thinking i'd like either Rick Leonardi or Alan Davis on it.

 

amokitty

I would be very interested in what Claremont would do for them now that they're both adults. It's a completely different dynamic than the one he wrote before. Of course I'd be thrilled if we could get even a no-name writer to do it, if they really cared about the characters. Having someone like Larry Hama writing Kitty Pryde should've been an obvious mistake.

 

darkstorm5000

Joss would've/should've gotten my immediate vote. But now, I'm not so sure who could really do them justice.

 

amokitty

PAD would be a provacative choice.

 

melodyrider

He's tempting, but I'm only familiar with Madrox as far as the way he writes minis

 

DB91939

uh... what's a word like "jointly" except involving a lot of people

 

DB91939

nevermind

 

DB91939

collectively

 

amokitty

When I think what he did for Madrox and Layla.... Kitty and Peter could benefit from that kind of treatment.

 

xakko

i don't think so. PAD completely blew it with Colossus during the Civil War issue

 

xakko

he actually wrote him as Phil Hunn's "Big Metal Idiot"

 

amokitty

I never read that. How bad was it?

 

amokitty

Oh god, no.

 

xakko

very disappointing.

 

xakko

he wrote him just as bad as BKV did in the FCBD X-men/Runaways

 

darkstorm5000

McDuffie, maybe?

 

amokitty

Why the hell is it, that writers have such a hard time 'getting' this character? Or is that, they don't like the character and can't be bothered to put in an effort?

 

xakko

that's why I was thinking Leonardi. I think he "gets" Peter as much as any writer does

 

DB91939

woo hoo

 

DB91939

done for the night

 

amokitty

Congrats, DB.

 

DB91939

five pages done. Just gotta write about 2 more and then study for a monstrous exam tomorrow

 

amokitty

Good luck with it.

 

DB91939

yeah

 

DB91939

and then I have finals in about 3 weeks

 

darkstorm5000

Sounds like fun

 

amokitty

There are writers who are almost as bad about Kitty as well. I didn't like the Shadow and Flame mini for example.

 

darkstorm5000

Who wrote that? I forgot.

 

DB91939

oh yeah. loads of fun. but after Dec. 14- let the post finals drinking binge begin!

 

amokitty

Akia Yoshida.

 

DB91939

yeah, I didn't like shadow and flame either. it confused me... I read about 2 issues

 

amokitty

Akira. sorry. misspell.

 

darkstorm5000

It seems like they've to the Ogun well one too-many times.

 

xakko

aside from Claremont, is there anyone who really "gets" Kitty? except maybe Davis?

 

DB91939

ok

 

DB91939

I've got to go to bed

 

amokitty

Ellis had his moments occasionally. But I didn't care for the Soul Sword Trilogy. Lobdell even had his. But personally, I don't feel either was consistent. Joss is the same.

 

amokitty

Sleep well, DB! :)

 

DB91939

have fun, all!

 

amokitty

Thanks for coming!

 

darkstorm5000

Night, DB! Don't study too hard

 

DB91939 left.

 

 

melodyrider

Good night, DB!

 

melodyrider

Darn, missed

 

amokitty

Mel, who do think gave a good portrayal of Kitty?

 

xakko

gah, g'nite DB!

 

xakko

(i was getting bunny kisses and missed the exit)

 

amokitty

Aw!!

 

melodyrider

That's okay, Xak! Bunny kisses are important!

 

xakko

y'see, i don't think Ellis's portrayal of Kitty followed at all from her previous characterization

 

amokitty

I'm just laughing my head now....

 

amokitty

my head OFF, I mena to say..

 

xakko

she's under a blanket right now.

 

amokitty

Oh lord, my typing has gone straight to hell! ;)

 

amokitty

Is she playing peek-a-boo?

 

melodyrider

I think Claremont and Davis both did fantastic jobs with Kitty, particularly on Excalibur, and tend to measure all other portayals on those

 

amokitty

Davis did a fantastic job. *nods*

 

melodyrider

I really wish he'd remained on the title past issue 62

 

melodyrider

The things Lobdell did with her and the rest of Excalibur with what made me drop comics

 

amokitty

Me too. Lobdell was a poor replacement overall.

 

melodyrider

*was what

 

amokitty

yeah what Mel said! Typing is too slow, too.

 

amokitty

Davis did a decent job with Colossus too, but Peter never really got any spotlight during Davis' X-men run.

 

xakko

bunny has gone behind her cage... she's probably confused because she's still out

 

xakko

not really. but... OK, i made the mistake of going in the Pete Wisdom thread over at comixfan, and the Sword is Drawn guy was saying that Davis had written Kitty as an adult during his run on Excalibur

 

xakko

that Ellis hadn't magically aged her about 3 years to set up his romance

 

amokitty

That guy lives in his own world. He makes up the most incredible things.

 

amokitty

Are they really arguing that AGAIN?

 

xakko

no, it's just a bunch of Wisdom fans agreeing with one another

 

xakko

i wasn't going to correct him - it's there thread

 

amokitty

And don't we wish that they felt the same? If I had a dime for every Colossus thread they hijacked... LOL.

 

xakko

their thread

 

xakko

but he still won't admit that Kitty has ALWAYS been written as acting very adult, despite her young age.

 

xakko

ah well, he'll probably read this and throw a little snit fit. i know he reads LWW, or at least read Ian's Mike Carey interview and plugged it

 

xakko

(for which I should probably thank him, honestly)

 

amokitty

I was thinking the exact same thing at the same moment! They want to have Kitty both ways. A molested child when it suits them, and yet a complete adult for Wisdom. Ignoring that in Marvel time, the time between her 'ships with both men wasn't really that long.

 

amokitty

I don't think it's that Black and White.

 

darkstorm5000

I think I'm going to call it a night, guys.

 

xakko

g'nite DS

 

melodyrider

Good night, DS!

 

xakko

isn't not Black and White, no

 

amokitty

I am so glad you came, Darkstorm!! Thanks for giving me more to read tomorrow! ;)

 

amokitty

have a great weekend, okay?

 

darkstorm5000

Sure, no prob. Talk to everyone soon!

 

amokitty

Goodnight!

 

darkstorm5000 left.

 

 

xakko

the Pryde/Wisdom romance was an important part of her life, and it should be respected as a real, fundamental building block of her personality

 

xakko

I didn't like it, personally, but I can see how it makes sense.

 

melodyrider

*nods* That's true. What troubles me when fans of that romance talk about them getting together is that doing so would require Kitty to behave in such an unbelivably fickle way that she wouldn't be the sort of person they'd want to saddle anyone with

 

melodyrider

Whether you liked or hated their relationship, there's no real way it could ever happen again

 

xakko

and the way Paul Cornell has turned Pete Wisdom into a rather pathetic ex makes it even worse

 

xakko

i mean, every single scene where he references Kitty is the act of an obsessive and unwanted ex

 

xakko

(and i know, i've been there...)

 

amokitty

That is very true, Mel. If Kitty begins yo-yo'ing between both men, it changes her. It changes her into someone completely different.

 

melodyrider

It didn't impress me. The only saving grace about it was that the final phone conversation seemed to be moving them more towards a friendship rather than him uselessly pining for her

 

xakko

actually - i took it as him trying to take advantage of his tragedy as a way to ingratiate himself in her life.

 

xakko

"oh look at this horrible thing that happened to me- don't you have any sympathy?"

 

amokitty

I thought the Wisdom mini was kind of all over the place. Fairies. Gangsters. Martians. Shang Chi. Foreshadowings of Maureens kid.

 

amokitty

Very ambitious for a mini series.

 

melodyrider

I don't think Kitty would be taken in by a tactic like that, or have much patience for it

 

xakko

how do you not - she does have affection for him, and he did just have a tragedy.

 

xakko

seriously - i did pull that on an ex years ago. i feel like crap for doing it, and it was something bad that had happened, but part of me knew i was using it as an excuse to talk to her.

 

amokitty

I don't see her falling for the drunken phone calls either. What's worse? Is that Wisdom should know she's too smart for that. Ellis wrote him being intuitively clever. Didn't see it with Cornell.

 

xakko

i dunno, Ellis didn't write him as being that great at relationships... that he was more apt to show affection by trying to save their life than by saying "I love you"

 

amokitty

But he never underestimated Kitty. Not once. Depite her age he treated her with respect. he knew she was smart as a whip.

 

xakko

this is true. which makes me wonder about the Wisdom fanatics who are all over themselves crowning Cornell as a guy who "gets" Wisdom.

 

xakko

i think the man has some great ideas... but he really fell on his face with some of the characterizations.

 

amokitty

I fear that Cornell's Excalibur will be the death of Wisdom as Ellis intended the character to be.

 

amokitty

Not that Claremont was doing such a great job of it either..... ;)

 

xakko

oddly enough, he may become a true Marty Stu as opposed to the author insert aspect of Marty Stu

 

amokitty

You could be right.

 

amokitty

Guys, I'd like your speculations on what possible change that Joss will make stick in Astonishing. Will it be a death, a marriage, or something different? Place your bets!

 

xakko

maybe it's Scott having control over his optic beam. perhaps he feels that card has been played

 

melodyrider

I believe it was recently stated that whever it was Joss insisted would not be changed, he specified any deaths would not be included in that

 

melodyrider

*whatever

 

xakko

interesting.

 

melodyrider

If a major character does die in this, I wouldn't be surprised if they came back inside two years

 

amokitty

Really? *breathes HUGE sigh of relief!*

 

xakko

but Cyclops DID die.

 

melodyrider

And he came back inside two years :)

 

xakko

so he did

 

amokitty

I deeply fear for a Scott/Emma marriage. but common sense tells me that Marvel wouldn't allow it. He's already been married twice.

 

xakko

do you think Scott with control of his powers is still Scott? it's been such an integral part of him

 

amokitty

I'm still wondering how Danger figures into all of this. She's taking Emma's orders like a student.

 

xakko

if so, i hate hate hate Joss's current explanation about Jean and the Prof never getting deep enough to find out

 

xakko

she's come to accept what she is - that she is the sum and total of her programming after all. maybe, underneath it all, she still feels compelled to follow direct orders.

 

melodyrider

From the looks of MC, if it takes place after Unstoppable, he's still relying on the ruby quartz, which I think makes sense. He'll always feel most comfortable with the visor, even if he doesn't need it

 

amokitty

Whedon is portraying Scott as a very different person. I don't think he is the same Scott anymore. Emma has done what Jean couldn't apparently. *eyeroll*

 

xakko

he's writing him like Morrison did - that icy calm in a crisis

 

amokitty

I have a very big problem with Whedon dismissing Jean's abilities, or her inability to even want to help Scott if she had the capability to do it.

 

xakko

which is an aspect of him, sure. i like my theory - that the damage was healed during the Cyclopalypse period, and their estrangement after that made it so it wasn't noticed

 

xakko

the visor would be to direct and focus the beam. perhaps regulate it to low levels when needed

 

amokitty

Cypocalypse. That was not Davis' best work was it?

 

xakko

no, not really.

 

xakko

but since they weren't really communicating right after that, would she have had any reason to look to see if the physical damage were still present

 

amokitty

Scott is looking to be the destroyer/messiah, he's so badass lately (even without his powers). Why I wonder is Peter a part of the proohesy/plan? It looks like he's bit player in this story. I'm having a hard time seeing Peter's turn to be badass next issue. So far it's been Scott, Scott, Scott.

 

amokitty

I also wonder if Ord will show up again? Hard to believe he won that contest of champions. I really wanted Colossus to get some kind of payback.

 

amokitty

…. Um.... hello? Anybody?

 

xakko

i'm here

 

xakko

bunnywatching

 

melodyrider

Me, too, sorry

 

amokitty

Hey. :)

 

xakko

well, Peter is necessary to break the connection, apparently.

 

melodyrider

I'm writing at the same time as I chat

 

amokitty

You're watching Puff, Mel???  :)

 

xakko

gah!

 

amokitty

Heh, heh.

 

melodyrider

HAHAHA

 

xakko

* looks for the webcam

 

xakko

she keeps noodging my foot

 

xakko

it's like a nudge, but with oomf

 

amokitty

That bunny is gettting BIG. Cute pics you have of her, byw.

 

melodyrider

Peter's basically been a glorified plot device for this story, which might have been okay if the story lasted, say, six issues over six months, but Joss made a serious mistake in devoting 24 issues across 4 years to essentially two characters out of a team

 

amokitty

Agreed. That summed it up beautifully.

 

amokitty

It would've been nice to see more Hank as well.

 

xakko

yeah, Peter and Beast have gotten almost nothing

 

xakko

Wolverine's just around for laughs, which worked at first ("What stage of grief is this") but has gotten old

 

melodyrider

If the brood saga had taken this long to resolve it would not have been as fondly thought of

 

xakko

true. Overall, i'm not unhappy with his work - when I read it in trade. This may change with #24, but maybe he'll surprise me

 

amokitty

If I remember right, the first I heard of Joss and Astonishing was November of 2003. I should go to CBR and find out. But I think that was when they first announced it. 4 years is a long time to plot something as small as this.

 

xakko

i still think the last 12 issues were thrown together. possibly the last 18

 

xakko

i think he had one "real" arc in his head - "Gifted". "Danger" was more nebulous - what he was trying to say about the nature of intelligence and free will just didnt' carry the story.

 

xakko

i also wonder if he was trying to capture the Claremontian foreshadowing and dangling plot device

 

amokitty

A small part of me still holds out some hope that Joss will do something that ties in all the elements that made this book stand out next issue. I wouldn't put it past him, but so far I'm finding myself a bit disappointed. I wish we could see more of Rao, and get more answers from the Cure storyline. Oh well.

 

xakko

if so, i hope he does a better job of it than Slott did in She-Hulk or CC did in NEX

 

xakko

although i do like the concept of A holes

 

amokitty

With any luck Brand, Ord, Kruun, and Danger will die next issue. If so, it won't be total loss!

 

xakko

and if Brand is Kitty and Emma's love child?

 

amokitty

Ha! That is SO scary....

 

melodyrider

I'm starting to wish I hadn't called attention to those tattoos :)

 

amokitty

And here I thought it was weird that Kitty showed concern for Emma this issue. You'll have me wondering if there's something more to it!

 

xakko

we still don't know what power she exhibited in the snow with Beast, do we?

 

xakko

bwahahahahaha

 

melodyrider

Kitty's been compassionate to Emma before, though. She was the only one to express a desire to help her when they found her comatose body during the X-Men Annual with the Impossible Man

 

amokitty

So very right, Mel! Uncanny Annual #7 with Michael Golden art. *geeking out now*

 

amokitty

It's funny that I know the old stuff with a scary accuracy, but the stuff now? Not so much. Not even close. *sigh*

 

xakko

well, i hate to say it, but i have to call it a night. or a morning, really

 

xakko

i still have to change puff's litter and her water and get her pellets

 

amokitty

I'm very afraid that both of your wives are going to kill me.....

 

melodyrider

It is close to morning where you are, isn't it Xak?

 

xakko

4 am

 

xakko

deb's been asleep for 5 hours

 

xakko

but it was fun, and i can sleep til noon today, since i don't have to go into wokr

 

xakko

work too.

 

melodyrider

Sorry we kept you up so late! :) But it was very nice chatting with you

 

amokitty

Xak, dear, get some sleep. And thank you so very much for visiting with us!!! You rock!

 

xakko

g'nite! thanks for the chat and nice compliments and hope to see more stuff from you soon Mel!

 

melodyrider

I'll be working as hard as I can on it!

 

xakko

and let me know about the russian food, please!

 

amokitty

I'm glad you get a break from weekend work!

 

melodyrider

Good night, Xak!

 

xakko

g'nite!

 

xakko left.

 

 

amokitty

Will do, Xak!

 

amokitty

Well, i didn't get to say goodnight, but I'll bet he's cool with it. :)

 

melodyrider

I'm sure he knew you typed it *nods* and it'll be in the transcript :)

 

amokitty

true.

 

amokitty

On a personal note, how have you been lately?

 

melodyrider

Pretty good, thanks! I saw you we out near my neck of the woods recently. Glad to hear you enjoyed that trip

 

amokitty

Oh god, Mel. I loved it. I can't wait to go back! I didn't get to see everything I wanted - there was too much! So now we have our excuse to return. :)

 

melodyrider

Definately. Oregon's full of variety. I really enjoy living here

 

amokitty

The Gorge in both states had the most extraordinary things! Oh crap. That reminds me. I meant to post pics of it and I haven't. I've let RL derail me in a negative way. thanks for reminding me. (I really need to focus on other things)

 

amokitty

You posted pics of Multnomah Falls didn't you??

 

melodyrider

*nods* I hope things are taking an upswing there for you

 

melodyrider

I did!

 

melodyrider

That was my first time out there and I was completely blown away

 

amokitty

Well, now it's my turn! :D

 

melodyrider

I'm looking forward to that. It's such a beautful spot

 

melodyrider

Did you take the hike up to the top?

 

amokitty

I'm so grateful we went on a glorious sunny day. I'd like to go to Timberline Lodge too. It's going on my wish list.

 

amokitty

Nah, just to the bridge. but still! The view!!!!! Wow.

 

melodyrider

Heh. You know that's where "The Shining

 

melodyrider

was filmed, right?

 

amokitty

yeah, i heard. ;)

 

melodyrider

Timberline Lodge, I mea

 

melodyrider

*mean

 

melodyrider

Gah, sorry

 

amokitty

Yep. And Mt. Hood is ridiculously close. I think that because it IS close we put off going because we always think we'll go soon. It's going to be a priority now. The Fruit Loop seems cool too. I only got to experience a small part of it. Better luck next time.

 

melodyrider

*nods* That's a nice area, definately. I keep meaning to go to Crater Lake, myself

 

amokitty

Me too!!!!

 

amokitty

Amtrak even goes there, I'm told.

 

melodyrider

I hadn't heard that. I thought you had to drive, but I understand there are charter busses that go there

 

amokitty

It looks like tranquility personified. We've talked about going there for years. There's an island in the middle of it, too. I really hope you get to see it!

 

melodyrider

*nods* Wizard Island, and the Ghost Ship near it. I'm sure we'll be making a trip out there in the next couple of years. I hope you get to see it as well!

 

melodyrider

I probably shouldn't be keeping you up so late

 

amokitty

*crosses fingers*

 

amokitty

I'm doin' fine! :)

 

amokitty

But I do worry that you and Xak may turn into zombies tomorrow! LOL.

 

melodyrider

That'll be fine. I'm going to a comic convention tomorrow, so I don't really need to be lucid ;)

 

amokitty

Ooooh! Where? who will be there? Tell all!

 

melodyrider

Oregon Convention Center. The only guest I remember seeing on the flyer is Bendis

 

melodyrider

They're having a writer Q&A, but I didn't e-mail a question for it

 

amokitty

Well naturally Bendis. He lives in Portland, right?

 

melodyrider

Actually it will be the first time I’ve been to one of those in better than 12 years

 

melodyrider

I'm not sure, does he?

 

amokitty

Oh you are SO overdue for some cool autographs!

 

amokitty

That's what my LCS guy tells me.

 

melodyrider

That's interesting

 

amokitty

What books are you bringing/or buying to have signed?

 

melodyrider

I'm not sure I will. I've never actually done something like that before. Is it fun to talk to the creaters and get their autographs?

 

amokitty

If you can get past the crowds, yes it is. I saw Georges Jeantys (BtVS comic) all by himself and pounced! Sometimes you get lucky.

 

amokitty

Most of them are very gracious.

 

melodyrider

I might give that a try tomorrow, just to say that I did

 

amokitty

make sure to bring your camera!!! :D

 

melodyrider

I should!

 

amokitty

You'll probably see people dressed up as heroes and villains. When I went to a convention earlier this year, my friend dressed up as She-Hulk. So you'll definitely want your camera.

 

melodyrider

That's always fun. People show a lot of talent and creativity with those costumes

 

amokitty

I hope you have a ball. You'll probably leave broke because of back issue buying, but that's a lot of fun too. All the loot you get to take home with you....

 

melodyrider

I love the back issue buying. It's a great way to fill the holes in a collection

 

melodyrider

Especially those issues that seem impossible to find

 

amokitty

You mentioned the Adventures of Kitty Pryde possibly changing due to what happens in Astonishing. Will we ever get to know what your original plans were if things should take a turn for the worse in canon? Or do you think you'll stick to what you had planned?

 

amokitty

Stick to it in some shape or form, I mean.

 

melodyrider

Right now I'm focusing on clearing the plotlines I left dangling from my first two arcs, that way, if the worst happens I can at least say I cleared all of that before it did. I'm gambling very heavily on the idea that if Kitty dies, she'll be brought back before long, so I'm working on a series of buffer arcs that can keep the story going until she is

 

amokitty

Really?! That's great!

 

melodyrider

I'm hoping so!

 

amokitty

So you're prepared for any eventuality aren't you? Wow. I'm impressed.

 

melodyrider

It helps to be this far behind what's currently coming out. The last two issues of New X-Men were what opened the door to one of the ways I'm planning to accomplish this

 

melodyrider

But it might also be a good opportunity to explore all the people whose lives Kitty has touched and explore their perspectives of her

 

amokitty

Similar to how the aftermath of the Death of Superman was portrayed. Great idea. But I would think that it'd be a challenge to write other's take on Kitty. Getting into the heads of other chatacters. The ones who loved her AND the ones who never liked her. That could fun!

 

amokitty

BE fun, I meant....

 

melodyrider

It will definately be a challenge, but that's part of what makes it appealing.

 

amokitty

The kids would be devasted. No Kitty's Litter. (that name kills me!! heh.)

 

melodyrider

Actually I have to get rid of the litter before MC starts

 

amokitty

Devastated. Would you please excuse my typing?

 

amokitty

What?!!

 

melodyrider

If you'll exuse mine :)

 

amokitty

Oh mine's worse. Nothing to excuse for you, Mel!

 

melodyrider

New X-Men made a point of the students looking for the youngest mutant at Xavier's. Technically, that would be little Scott Lightfoot, so for that to work the way K&Y wrote it, I have to get rid of the kids

 

melodyrider

But, I'm just going to be shunting them off to the world of Kitty's Fairy Tale, so they'll be okay

 

amokitty

Holy crap, you're following canon to the letter. But, but.... they're your babies!!!

 

amokitty

The kids get to hang out with Pirate Kitty?? All right!!!

 

melodyrider

And her true love :)

 

amokitty

LOL.

 

amokitty

Don't forget the Bamfs and Mean. Oh god, i can see it now......

 

melodyrider

*nods* It won't be quite the same, but it's one way to fill the months while I cross my finger for the real deal to come back

 

melodyrider

*fingers

 

amokitty

Genius!

 

melodyrider

Thank you! :)

 

melodyrider

And for this story (and only this story) following canon to the letter is part of the challenge. I'm trying to see if I can take what's being done, however ill-conceived, and still turn good stories out of it and still be true to Kitty's character

 

amokitty

Which only proves that any good writer that cares about his/her subject matter will produce something great. The mediocrity is getting bad out there. Both professionally and in fanfic. It makes it harder to be choosy with stories.

 

melodyrider

*nods* I don't get to read much fanfic, but I know that if I was really writing this for Marvel as a title published alongside the other X-Books that this is exactly what I'd be expected to do

 

amokitty

But sadly, it doesn't seem like Marvel does things this way anymore. I'm shocked at the half baked ideas they approve. Fans can drive their cars through the giant sized plotholes, they are so easily torn apart. The response? That fans are too continuity crazy. Too geeky to be taken seriously. An insult of sorts if you will. The integrity ain't there.

 

melodyrider

It has been very discouraging of late. I'm encouraged by the way PAD has taken the elements he was given following House of M and used it to tell the best stories he could, rather than just ignoring it or trying to undo it

 

melodyrider

I'm hoping other writers will follow suit, especially when Quesada leaves

 

melodyrider

PAD hasn't always succeeded, but he's actually trying

 

amokitty

Quesada is a huge part of the problem. PAD is more the old school type, and i respect that. He takes what he's given and tries to make the best of it. Exactly what you want out of your Adventures of KP.

 

melodyrider

Definately. I have been having fun writing other, shorter pieces in the meantime, and I'm planning to offer Christmas fic after Nanowrimo's over

 

amokitty

Ah! More goodness to look forward to! and a holiday story to boot. Perfect. :)

 

melodyrider

It should be interesting to see what I can spin out of the requests I get

 

amokitty

Is the Christmas fic tied into Adventures of KP, or something else?

 

melodyrider