Transcript for KIOTR Chat  -  May 31st, 2008
Topic: Giant Size Astonishing X-Men #1

 

Amokitty

We’re here tonight to discuss Giant Size Astonishing X-Men #1, and what this means for Shadowcat and Colossus.  We know the issue’s ending was a huge disappointment for Shadowcat fans and there are many reasons why.  But maybe we can also discuss some of the better moments of the issue as well.

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DB91939

yo yo yo kids

 

Amokitty

Hi there Starsinger! I JUST now read "A Whole New World"! Wow, SO good. :)

 

starsinger

hello

 

starsinger

wow, thanks! Glad you liked it!

 

Amokitty

Hey Darkbat! Glad you made it!!

 

DB91939

yeah!

 

DB91939

me too

 

Amokitty

Giant Size Astonishing has a lot to answer for....

 

starsinger

I don't think she's dead

 

DB91939

Giant size astonishing made me do badly in macroeconomics

 

DB91939

they have a LOT to answer for

 

Amokitty

Even if Kitty's alive, she's not exactly human now either if she's bonded with the metal of the bullet. She's evolved into something else. :(

 

DB91939

I was thinking about that earlier

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DB91939

I think its interesting how she's metal, and how her boyfriend's metal

 

Amokitty

Kirayoshi!!!!! :D

 

DB91939

they're two like... robots in love

 

Author376

Hi everyone!

 

DB91939

or statues

 

Amokitty

Welcome 376! Loved your latest updates to Alien Ways!  :)

 

starsinger

I'm sure someone at Marvel will figure a way to get her out of it when it's convenient

 

Amokitty

Yeah, Kitty is organic metal too, thanks to Joss.

 

Author376

Glad you liked them!

 

Author376

Ugh, don't get me started on Joss' criminal negligence in his writing. I just ate.

 

DB91939

she and Piotr and the silver surfer should start a club now

 

Amokitty

Haven't had a chance yet to comment at the Kiotr comm 'cause I just read them 376, but they're great!

 

DB91939

they'll sit in restraunts and reflect light off their skin into people's eyes

 

Author376

OH god, that's a threesome I wish I hadn't visualized DB!

 

Amokitty

LOL.

 

starsinger

btw, 376, thanks for the suggestions, it's given me ideas

 

DB91939

then they'll get some Jamaicans to hit them with mallets like steel drums

 

Amokitty

I take it that no one is happy with Astonishing's ending?  :D

 

Kirayoshi

Hey all

 

Author376

I'm glad, I hope that they help!

 

Amokitty

Hey you!!! I'm really glad you made it, K. :)

 

DB91939

no. I would have to kill someone if they like it

 

starsinger

I feel a brainstorm coming

 

Author376

I don't think anyone is happy with that ending that likes Kiotr. I have some Scott and Emma fans who I know who loved it (yuck).

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Xakko

wow, packed house!

 

Amokitty

Hiya, Xak!!

 

DB91939

even objectively, without any obsessions about any characters, it just sucked

 

Author376

HI Xakko and Kirayoshi!

 

Kirayoshi

My current theory is that Kitty saw the sketches that Simone Bianchi turned in for Ellis' run on AXM and decided to stay on the rocket until Paul Smith or Alan Davis was available again.

 

Author376

Good thought, K!

 

Kirayoshi

And yes, I've already started a damage control fic.

 

DB91939

huh?

 

Xakko

Art Adams did a nice Kitty I thought. A bit busty, tho'

 

DB91939

me too

 

Amokitty

Absolutely DB. Even those who aren't Kiotr fans should be disappointed because of so many plot holes.

 

Kirayoshi

You say 'busty' like it's a bad thing! ::rolleyes

 

Xakko

well, I needed Melodyrider to show me Lockheed in the book

 

DB91939

I've got a page written so far. but work and school have sadly kept me from it

 

starsinger

Me, I saw Indiana Jones last Saturday, and unlike AXM, it was immensely satisfying

 

Author376

Hey, what do you think about Kitty getting Rescued and Joining some space pirates? Pirate Kitty moment where they hijack the X-Men and Piotr has a fainting moment...? Brainstorm from too much cola, sorry.

 

DB91939

really?

 

DB91939

I hated the new indy

 

Amokitty

At least Alan davis doing the next cover for Wolverine First Class. I was so pleased to see that!

 

Kirayoshi

I liked the new Indy.

 

starsinger

huh, I loved it

 

DB91939

it really had NO archaeology

 

Kirayoshi

Not as good as Raiders, but what could be, huh?

 

DB91939

and I didn't have any high expectations

 

DB91939

I just wanted a good time

 

Kirayoshi

Oh, and the other three did?

 

starsinger

nothing as good as the original

 

Author376

I liked the new indy too, but you're right, no archeology there.

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DB91939

It reminded me of all those stupid movies in the 50's like "Bela Lugosi meets the Brooklyn Gorilla"

 

Xakko

well, they did talk about Michaelson in both I and IV

 

Amokitty

The return of Pirate Kitty? YES!

 

starsinger

my mom's b-day present to me

 

Kirayoshi

Plus Indy and Marion finally got together!

 

Xakko

hi Rose!

 

Amokitty

Evening, Rose! :)

 

Kirayoshi

You guys check out that pic I did with the DCAU character maker?

 

DB91939

taking a good character and putting them in stupid situations

 

Author376

HI Rose!

 

starsinger

yes, that last scene! wow! yes!!!!!!

 

DB91939

I mean... ALIENS?

 

DB91939

I liked how they got together

 

Xakko

it explained why Marion wasn't there during "Last Crusade", which holds a solid second place in the series

 

DB91939

but what I liked about the first three was that they really got into the cultures and mythologies of other places

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DB91939

they didn't really do anything with South American culture

 

Author376

Oh, the DCAU character maker is the best! I've bookmarked it and am going back and getting my original characters on it! Thanks loads for finding it for everyone!

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starsinger

hey rose

 

Xakko

rehello Rose!

 

Xakko

are you here now?

 

DB91939

I thought it would have something to do with the Aztec gods like Quetzalcoatl

 

Kirayoshi

Rose!

 

Amokitty

I saw it, K. Nice job with Peter's costume.

 

DB91939

ah... gotta wash my hairdye out

 

MadR

Hiya. Huh, chat window opened weird.

 

Kirayoshi

So, who wants to hear my outline for my post-AXM fic?

 

Kirayoshi

As if I didn't know...

 

starsinger

hair dye?

 

Author376

Yeah, but Lucas wanted to go for a retro '50's feel, and that included the old fying saucer routine.

 

Amokitty

I wanna! I wanna, K!

 

Xakko

we're all a'twitter in anticipation!

 

Author376

I want to hear it bad!

 

Kirayoshi

I thought the saucer worked as a 50s thing.

 

Kirayoshi

Plus the Red Scare paranoia.

 

Kirayoshi

Made Indy feel like a man out of his element.

 

starsinger

definite period

 

Kirayoshi

Okay, I'll spill.

 

Author376

K, the suspense is mean! Spill with the outline!

 

Kirayoshi

I'm torn between two possible titles: "For Katya" or "...But Not Forgotten"

 

Author376

Teasing, huh?

 

Amokitty

heh, heh

 

Kirayoshi

Premise: Following Messiah Complex and Secret Invasion, Peter has a sudden nervous breakdown.

 

Kirayoshi

He kept the stoic act up during that period, but little things keep reminding him of Kitty.

 

Xakko

"But Not Forgotten", definitely

 

Amokitty

You know I could see that happening....

 

Author376

Yes, very good title.

 

Kirayoshi

Finally the proverbial straw breaks his back, and he lets loose on Cyclops.

 

starsinger

explains why he's not rejoining the team

 

Author376

OH, yes, he beats up Scott, I've been waiting for that!

 

Kirayoshi

He doesn't armor up, but he does leave a livid bruise, shouting, "Consider that my resignation!"

 

Author376

Sighs happily

 

Kirayoshi

He then packs his few belongings into his van, leaves SF and heads out for parts unknown.

 

MadR

ooh, cool.

 

starsinger

early birthday presents all around, and very happy too

 

Author376

Soooo coool

 

Kirayoshi

He's completely lost now. He has no idea what he wants to do with his life now.

 

Amokitty

That would give me some satisfaction, K. Peter should do something like that, after all, Kitty did.

 

Author376

That would be a great tie in with Kitty's going to college.

 

Kirayoshi

After a few weeks, he's driving down the highway, and suddenly finds his van levitating ten feet off the ground.

 

Amokitty

Exactly!

 

Xakko

uh oh

 

Amokitty

Whoa. Interesting!

 

Kirayoshi

Turns out that Erik Lensherr and Hank McCoy were looking for him.

 

Author376

Goodness, the suspense!

 

Kirayoshi

When Hank finds him, he triggers a transport mechanism, and the three of them are now in a conference room on the SWORD satallite HQ.

 

Kirayoshi

Emma Frost enters the room and approaches Peter. And Lockheed is with her.

 

Amokitty

I think I'm salivating now.... ;)

 

Author376

I can't even blink!

 

Kirayoshi

Lockheed reveals why he was working with SWORD and where he's been since.

 

DB91939

ok

 

Kirayoshi

He needed to return to his race' s homeworld for a biological imperitave(kind of like salmon returning to the beds where they were hatched to spawn).

 

DB91939

ooooh

 

Kirayoshi

Unless he returned, he wouldn't be able to mature.

 

Xakko

are we ignoring Excalibur #40?

 

Xakko

(Red Wings win)

 

starsinger

why not? done it before

 

Amokitty

Of course, everybody does anyway!

 

DB91939

ew

 

DB91939

ewewewew

 

DB91939

red wings

 

Kirayoshi

Oh HELL YEAH!

 

DB91939

ewewewew

 

Kirayoshi

Don't see his appearance changing, but he does now have the ability to communicate.

 

Kirayoshi

Sort of a weird mix of telepathy and empathy.

 

DB91939

I just hate both the red wings and the penguins so much. this stanley cup finals is excrutiating

 

Kirayoshi

My local hockey team won the Memorial Cup, so I'm happy.

 

starsinger

wtg

 

DB91939

I wanted either the Avs, the Devils, or the Capitals to win

 

DB91939

because Alexander Ovechkin is a hockey GOD.

 

Xakko

Ovechkin is amazing, best player in the game, IMO

 

starsinger

I was rooting for the Stars, well, I'm not much of Hockey fan anyway

 

DB91939

my opinion too

 

Author376

Oh, I here and now apologise for the "fouls" screw up. I changed it to penalties like Xakko told me to. I can't help it, I grew up in Florida, the first time I heard of hockey was when I watched "the mighty ducks" in grade school.

 

Kirayoshi

Anyway, Peter is still upset at both Emma(for siding with Scott and seeming to ignore Kitty) and Lockheed(for betraying them)

 

Xakko

my team didn't even make the playoffs

 

DB91939

Sidney Crosby is an overrated whiney little bitch

 

DB91939

what is your team?

 

Xakko

don't worry about it 376

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Author376

Okay, thank you for the forgiveness:)

 

Amokitty

Hey there, Mel!

 

Xakko

Sabres. two years in the ECF, lose half the team and all the leadership, miss the playoffs

 

Author376

HI Melodyrider!

 

Xakko

hi MR!

 

DB91939

I do like the Sabres.

 

melodyrider

Hi everyone!

 

Kirayoshi

Emma angrily confronts Peter(a diamond/steel throwdown at this point), shouting, "Are you implying that Scott abandoned Kitty?"

 

DB91939

hi MR!

 

Kirayoshi

Peter: "IMPLYING? TRY SHOUTING IT TO THE WORLD! HE LET HER DIE!"

 

Amokitty

Well, he DID.

 

DB91939

that he did

 

Author376

Oh, Diamond vs. Steel. Obviously no one told emma that cutting a diamond is hard, shattering one is easy!

 

DB91939

well, everyone let her die

 

Kirayoshi

Lockheed answers, "No he didn't. She's not dead. We found her. We're getting her back!"

 

Xakko

I'm rooting for the Wings because I want people to stop saying a European captain's never won a Cup. Lindstrom is amazing.

 

DB91939

Lindstrom is good

 

Author376

Ooooh, fanfiction morphine, the pain of official Marvel idiocy fades...

 

DB91939

and Datsyuk is spectacular

 

starsinger

well, Lockheed would know

 

Amokitty

Fanfiction morphine.... that is SO true.

 

Kirayoshi

Turns out that Scott and Hank were in constant contact with SWORD, and also with Reed Richards(who had taken extensive notes regarding Kitty's abilities circa the FF/X-Men mini)

 

Xakko

so, what's the rescue mission? assuming that we're following the ridiculous idea that either Kitty no longer needs to breath or eat

 

Kirayoshi

Reed theorized a method of extracting Kitty from the bullet.

 

DB91939

well

 

DB91939

if she's metal

 

DB91939

so I don't think she WOULD

 

MadR

headdesk. Joss, dammit.

 

Kirayoshi

He theorized that while she was fused with the bullet her mind was in a form of stasis.

 

Author376

no desk, headknee.

 

Xakko

Reed or Joss, K?

 

Author376

Still great, Kirayoshi, you've got me hanging on your every word!

 

MadR

I just got that. Firefly ripoff. River fading away into the ship....

 

Kirayoshi

While her molecular structure would be preserved indefinitely while bonded with the metal.

 

Amokitty

The way Kitty's eyes rolled back into her head the stasis theory sounds plausible.

 

Author376

Good point Amokitty.

 

Kirayoshi

Plus, the bullet has flown into a nearby star system, and due to Newton's First Law, fell into the pull of a red giant star and is now in safe orbit around that star.

 

Author376

This is great K!

 

Kirayoshi

The plan is for a team of X-Men to travel to the bullet, via an FTL ship on loan from SWORD.

 

Amokitty

Yeah Rose, like Objects In Space.

 

Xakko

why would physics suddenly affect it now? ::wink

 

Author376

Why not? It's a comic book anyway?

 

Kirayoshi

Even phased, Kitty is suspeptibe to gravity.

 

DB91939

hm

 

starsinger

physics? whose? Marvel's or Newtons?

 

Author376

hee!

 

Kirayoshi

Remember when she was accidently phased downward in Torn?

 

DB91939

just a little... interesting thing that I just thought of

 

Kirayoshi

So there is precident.

 

Author376

Yeah for precidents!

 

DB91939

Hank is studying the metal of the Breakworld, and names it after Kitty

 

DB91939

Prydonium

 

DB91939

or something

 

Amokitty

Awww.

 

MadR

great story idea!

 

starsinger

did you hear that warren ellis is turning him into a mad scientist? ew!

 

Kirayoshi

For some reason, I imagine the X-Men naming the ship SWORD loans them the Abdul Alhazred

 

MadR

Prydonium, luv it!

 

Author376

Hank would do that. Or he'd use something with Kitty in it and get mad when people asked about his feline form. "No, I named it after Katherine Pryde.!"

 

DB91939

I would love to see her reaction to that, too, when she comes back

 

Author376

Oh, no, Not Hank! Mad Scientist?! Darn them, don't they have enough mad scientists?

 

Kirayoshi

No one gets my joke about the ship's name?

 

DB91939

no

 

DB91939

it sounds familiar though

 

Amokitty

I do, but it took me a moment, I haven't heard that name in while!

 

starsinger

all ;hazard red?

 

Kirayoshi

I may have the name wrong, but the Abdul Alhazred was the name of the flying pirate ship from "Kitty's Fairy Tale"

 

DB91939

oooh

 

Author376

Ooh, great reference.

 

Amokitty

Lovecraft.

 

melodyrider

heh

 

Xakko

wasn't that the "mad Arab" with the Necronomicon?

 

starsinger

do you have any idea how long it's been, oh, never mind

 

Kirayoshi

And you call yourselves fanboys!

 

Amokitty

Xakko - yep!

 

Author376

fangirls...

 

Kirayoshi

It was reprinted recently.

 

starsinger

i'm not calling me a boyt!

 

Kirayoshi

That was not meant as a gender thing!

 

Kirayoshi

Getting back:

 

MadR

heavily medicated fangirl here. D'oh!

 

DB91939

ok. I comission one of you to write a reaction story to all of this from Logans POV

 

starsinger

sorry, that was supposed to be pictured with a drunken slur, translation didn't quite work

 

DB91939

because I cant write him worth crap

 

Xakko

since Brubaker barely gave us anything?

 

Kirayoshi

The plan is, once within range, Emma will probe the bullet to locate Kitty's mind, while Magneto gains control of the bullet itself

 

DB91939

yeeees

 

Kirayoshi

I'm hearing that Mag's getting his powers back, so I'll crib that.

 

Author376

Sighs again.

 

Amokitty

*sniff* this makes me so happy...!

 

Author376

That

 

Author376

is the morphine

 

Kirayoshi

Once they tow the bullet to a safe planet, Magneto will then separate the metal molecules from the organic, with the hopes that they'll find Kitty alive and well.

 

Amokitty

LOL. It is!!!

 

DB91939

I LOVE that

 

starsinger

Looking forward to it, K!

 

Author376

I adore it, thank you so much, you've made me feel better (morphine will do that)!

 

Kirayoshi

Problem: after repeated scans of the bullet once they find it, the SWORD technicians find no trace of organic matter.

 

starsinger

ouch

 

Author376

Oooh, plot hook!

 

Xakko

gah

 

Kirayoshi

After repeated scans, they come to the conclusion that Kitty isn't in the bullet at all?

 

MadR

deeply cool story there, way more imaginitive than whedon....

 

Kirayoshi

So Where is She?

 

DB91939

yeah, it cant be too easy

 

Amokitty

ah, the suspense.

 

Author376

Poor Piotr. I hope he has something to smoosh.

 

Kirayoshi

Oh, did I mention that this all happens on the fringes of the Shi

 

Kirayoshi

Shi'ar Galaxy?

 

Author376

AAAAAHHHHH!

 

Amokitty

Yeeeesssssss. :D

 

starsinger

no, you kinda left that out

 

Author376

That was a happy yelp, by the way.

 

Kirayoshi

And Vulcan wants to melt down the bullet to create warships which he will then use to attack and destroy the Earth?

 

Amokitty

*pumps fist in the air* Ths is so good!

 

MadR

Phoenix ex machina? Isn't that where Rachel is these days?

 

Kirayoshi

Hey, while I'm rescuing Kitty, might as well grab Rachel, Alex, Lorna and the Starjammers.

 

starsinger

why not?

 

Author376

No reason to leave anybody out!

 

Xakko

woohoo!

 

starsinger

ya know, I gotta big old grin on my face

 

Amokitty

me too!

 

Kirayoshi

The ultimate theory is that Kitty will return in this story, but not in the way anyone expected.

 

Author376

Me three

 

Kirayoshi

Do the words, "Fire and life incarnate" mean anything?

 

Author376

Phoenix?

 

Amokitty

Wow.... really?

 

Amokitty

I take it you'll make Kitty telepathic?

 

Kirayoshi

Hey, she was trapped in the nosecone of a missile hurling toward Earth.

 

Kirayoshi

Dunno about telepathic.

 

Xakko

this has been a pet theory of yours for a while, yes?

 

Author376

Through Lockheed, maybe?

 

Kirayoshi

I see the Phoenix Force augmenting her existing powers, the way it augmented Jean's.

 

Amokitty

Interesting.

 

Kirayoshi

Haven't worked out the kinks yet.

 

starsinger

It is interesting

 

Author376

Wow, I can almost see her just making her enemies disintigrate down to base molecules with a wave of her hand...

 

Kirayoshi

Maybe giving her absolute control over her molecular structure.

 

Amokitty

ha! I smell a jinx.

 

starsinger

jinx?

 

Author376

Jinx

 

Kirayoshi

Buy me a Coke!

 

starsinger

no change, sorry

 

Author376

Hee!

 

Amokitty

It looks like K and 376 are on the same page, Star.

 

Author376

I have a coke, should I email you a picture?

 

Kirayoshi

And don't worry about the end of the story.

 

Kirayoshi

In the immortal words of The Doctor, "Just this once, EVERYONE LIVES!"

 

Amokitty

And wouldn't THAt be a change!

 

Author376

Oh no, I think I've had too much of that morphine....

 

Xakko

best kind, whatever Whedon may think

 

starsinger

sorry, still pondering my story, too. my next question is should I post it on FF.net

 

Kirayoshi

Short answer. YES!

 

Author376

Whedon, may he sit on a hot radiator and burn things he'd rather he didn't.

 

DB91939

oh JEEZ my hair turned out brown.

 

starsinger

whedon needs to be taken out and shot!

 

DB91939

yikes

 

Author376

Yes!

 

Amokitty

I so enjoyed your outline Star. I think you should! :)

 

DB91939

everyone should

 

starsinger

okay, I'll do it

 

starsinger

thank you!

 

Author376

Go for it!

 

DB91939

so then nobody remembers the ending in the comic book

 

Amokitty

What color did you want, DB?

 

Kirayoshi

Like I said, I might have been more charitible towards his final arc if the constant delays hadn't killed the momentum he wanted to build up.

 

Xakko

Y'know, I've pretty much worked passed my Whedon issues

 

DB91939

oh... this is the color I usually dye it, I just left it on for a few minutes too long

 

Kirayoshi

If it had been published monthly, it would have worked a lot better,

 

Amokitty

So soon, Xak?

 

Kirayoshi

although I still wouldn't have liked the ending.

 

DB91939

it's the color I wanted, only moreso

 

Kirayoshi

Plus, the ending wouldn't have been telegraphed by Messiah Complex and Divided We Stand.

 

Author376

Oh, I've done that before. Dying a blond red isn't the best idea...

 

Kirayoshi

Words Kirsten Dunst should have lived by

 

Xakko

We knew it was coming, pretty much nothing surprising.

 

DB91939

yeah

 

Author376

NO kidding. Pink is a color that, as far as hair goes, few can pull off.

 

DB91939

I'm dyeing blond a brownish red

 

Kirayoshi

I still want to see Alyson Hannigan play MJ in a future Spider-Man movie.

 

Author376

That should work, fairly well, unless they're using a red die base that's too red, then it can go all funky.

 

Xakko

the only thing that was a mystery was how he was going to stop Earth's heroes. it was fairly silly, but servicable

 

Kirayoshi

Who, Vulcan?

 

Amokitty

I'm still mighty unhappy with both Joss and Bru. It makes no sense to have Peter be silently stoic over Kitty dying, and then completely lose it in public by crying like he did in Uncanny. Not consistant at all.

 

Kirayoshi

He's pretty whacked out now.

 

MadR

Any bets on what happened to Cassie Nova?

 

DB91939

you know, I always pictured Kitty being played by Jennifer Grey of "Dirty Dancing" fame

 

Kirayoshi

Like Dukat during the last seasons of DS9

 

Xakko

the same thing that happened to her in Austen's one issue, when Scott and Hank went to check on her

 

DB91939

just a thought

 

Kirayoshi

Wha, you don't like Ellen Page?

 

Amokitty

Yeah, exactly like Gul Dukat!

 

MadR

I still fancast Michelle Trachtenberg as Evo Kitty.

 

Kirayoshi

I have a scene in mind at one point, where Kurt, Logan and Peter bond.

 

Author376

I can agree with MT as evo kitty.

 

DB91939

Oh no, I liked Ellen Page

 

Author376

I didn't like Ellen Page.

 

DB91939

It's just whenever I watch Dirty Dancing, I see Jennifer Grey as Kitty

 

DB91939

and also I could see Laura Linney being an older Kitty

 

Kirayoshi

Kurt compares them to the Three Musketeers. Peter is Athos, the stern serious one. Logan is Porthos, the brawler who drinks a lot of alcohol, and Kurt is Aramis, the romantic swashbuckler with a deep sense of faith.

 

Xakko

I can see the Jennifer Grey thing. Even if I really didn't care for "Dirty Dancing"

 

Author376

God, what is the name of the woman who played Darth Vader's wife and Anne Bolyn recenty?

 

Author376

I'm having a name moment...

 

Xakko

Natalie Portman

 

Kirayoshi

Natalie Portman

 

DB91939

Natalie Portman

 

Amokitty

Natalie Portman?

 

DB91939

ah

 

Xakko

jinx

 

Kirayoshi

Jinks!

 

DB91939

lol

 

MadR

Oh, they really are the Three Musketeers!

 

Author376

Thank you, I see her as Kitty to a certain extent.

 

Xakko

double jinx

 

Amokitty

Ha ha ha ha! :D

 

Kirayoshi

Also played Eve in V for Vendetta.

 

Kirayoshi

Great movie.

 

Kirayoshi

Kurt then compares Kitty to D'artangian(sp?)

 

Author376

Yes, I just couln't remember her name, and V for Vendetta was great Hugo Weaving was spectacular!

 

DB91939

even though you never saw his face, he was sexy

 

Amokitty

Hugo Weaving has a damn sexy voice.

 

Author376

Pure body language and voice acting and he was just....Sighs...

 

DB91939

that he does

 

Kirayoshi

She arrived at a time when the X-Men were at a low point, after Jean's death, like D'artagnian arrived when the Musketeers were forced to disband, and helped bring them back together again.

 

starsinger

sorry, went to go ahead and post new world

 

Amokitty

Uh-huh!

 

DB91939

exactly!

 

DB91939

although, he's no Gerard Butler

 

Kirayoshi

How's this for casting?

 

DB91939

that man makes me melt

 

Kirayoshi

Gerald Butler as Kraven in a future Spider-Man movie?

 

Amokitty

OMG. Gerard Butler..... *fangirl sighs*

 

Author376

Hmmm... I like it.

 

Kirayoshi

Do a movie based on Kraven's Last Hunt.

 

MadR

that would rock!

 

Amokitty

Has anyone read the latest Uncanny?

 

Xakko

yes

 

Kirayoshi

No.

 

Xakko

ugh

 

Author376

Anyway, to totally get off subject. What did people think of my "Russian mail order husband" romantic comedy fanfic idea?

 

Kirayoshi

I need to pick up All-Star Superman.

 

Author376

Latest uncanny ick.

 

starsinger

for some reason my roommate is still getting Spiderman, and MJ is back

 

Kirayoshi

Not big on Hippie X-Men, huh?

 

MadR

I love the russian mail order uncanny.

 

Xakko

I liked it. Romantic comedy isn't really my thing, but the outline sounds really interesting

 

Author376

Oh, thanks.

 

Kirayoshi

Call me when OMD is retconned!

 

starsinger

wishful thinking

 

Xakko

the hippie X-men take a backseat - it's mostly about Piotr, Kurt and Logan in Russia

 

Amokitty

Brubaker is as bad as Whedon. No originality. He's writing without any creativity and it shows. Terrible issue.

 

DB91939

ok

 

DB91939

so anyone want to here my very very basic idea I have for a story?

 

Kirayoshi

How is it that Brubaker can wow the socks off the readers on a regular basis over in Captain America and Daredevil, but his X-Men books are generally blah?

 

MadR

Cheesy. I do like the X Men in San Francisco...plotting Sledge Hammer crossovers....

 

Author376

I might spiff it up a bit with drama and things, but for now it's just a fun idea. I'm going to go back to writing the last installment of Stolen Child in a couple of weeks, anyway. I've got my outline picked an everything.

 

melodyrider

Sure, DB!

 

Xakko

You did call the main villain as soon as the solicitation was announced that the trio was going to Russia, Amokitty

 

DB91939

I don't have it nearly as fleshed out as you do yours, Kirayoshi

 

DB91939

ok

 

starsinger

yes, db, would love to!

 

Author376

I'd like to hear DB's outline!

 

Kirayoshi

Hey, is there another decent villain in Russia anymore, post-Cold War?

 

DB91939

so... I've written the first page. Kitty wakes up somewhere she doesn't know and is in excrutiating pain

 

Xakko

Brubaker has NEVER wowed me

 

Amokitty

Well, K, it's that the guys in Russia storyline is awful. It's predictable to the point of boring. Omega Red? Come on. How disappointing.

 

DB91939

and that's as far as I've written

 

MadR

Is Martinque someone we've seen before? Vaguely interested in her story. Otherwise, dull.

 

Kirayoshi

I mean who's left? Red Ghost and the Super-Apes?

 

Xakko

isn't that one of the Lady Mastermind twins?

 

DB91939

but after that, it turns out the bullet was going to hit another planet, and the residents of that planet stopped it

 

Xakko

Martinique Jason?

 

DB91939

they did all the work and separated her

 

Author376

Really interesting DB

 

DB91939

she wants to go home, but she's basically stuck on the planet for a while

 

Kirayoshi

I will say that locating the X-Men in San Francisco works.

 

DB91939

for reasons I havent figured out yet

 

Kirayoshi

Where better to let your freak flag fly?

 

DB91939

I was thinking maybe she has to stay around until like... interplanetary merchants come on their route around the universe

 

Kirayoshi

I mean, Hank and Kurt can walk down the street together and no one would notice.

 

MadR

Cool idea DB

 

DB91939

But... this thought that passed through my mind today

 

Amokitty

How about making Vanguard go rogue or something? Or maybe create a NEW Russian supervillain? This is so lackluster it makes me weep.

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Xakko

hi DS!

 

melodyrider

Hi DS!

 

Author376

HI Darkstorm5000!

 

Amokitty

Darkstorm!!!! Yay, you're here! :)

 

DB91939

what if the planet she's on is that one that Mikhail landed on after his spaceship blew up.. the one with his wife that died?

 

darkstorm5000

Hi everybody!

 

DB91939

I haven't read any of those issues, so I'm not sure if that would work or not

 

Kirayoshi

I still like the idea of her missile going into orbit around a star.

 

Xakko

he didn't blow up in a spaceship - he went through a portal to another dimension

 

DB91939

aaah

 

Author376

Both the star and the planet ideas are really cool.

 

Kirayoshi

There's a fun thread over on CBR, sort of a David Letterman thing, about how Kitty could survive.

 

Kirayoshi

My favorites were:

 

Kirayoshi

"My ex-boyfriend knows someone who knows a lonely god who has a time-travelling blue box."

 

Kirayoshi

"What part of 'my best friend's a demon sorceress' don't you understand?"

 

DB91939

lol

 

Author376

Ooh, those are good!

 

Amokitty

:D

 

starsinger

this kinda sounds like "how are they going to de-borg Picard"

 

Kirayoshi

"Superboy Prime's an '80s fanboy. 80s fanboys love me. One retcon punch later..."

 

starsinger

::beer

 

Kirayoshi

"...And then Wanda said, 'No More Whedons!"

 

MadR

Hee!

 

Amokitty

Ha! *dies*

 

starsinger

it was all a bad dream?

 

Kirayoshi

"Let's just say that Obama's definitely courting the Jewish vote!"

 

Author376

I've got this terrible urge for her to just show up in Russia in a rental car, dragging Pete Wisdom with her, and when Piotr askes where she came from she says she phased out of the rocket naturally when she passed out, called Peter since she couldn't seem to get ahold of any of the X-Men and then he just kept stalling, and now they finally got to where they were.

 

Xakko

hehe

 

MadR

376: awesome!

 

Amokitty

We wish!

 

Xakko

btw, the Thor bit is up for BOM at LWW... which is probably too many abbreviations

 

Author376

When They ask about all of the incredibly intelligent scientist good guys who said she was permanently joined to the bullet, she just sighs and says, "Reed Richards was wrong. Happens all the time, ask Dr. Doom. By the way, he says, "Hi".

 

starsinger

lol

 

Author376

LoL

 

MadR

LOLOLOL

 

DB91939

mmm

 

DB91939

time to pig out on watermelon

 

Amokitty

Oh good, Xak. Now there's a story where Marvel heroes are taken out of the equation logically. they actually DO something instead of drool.

 

Kirayoshi

Oh, I want to get one of those mini-watermelons.

 

Author376

You've got watermelon, Ive got cookies, life is good!

 

Kirayoshi

Those are tasty.

 

Amokitty

I've got a watermelon waiting to cut on my counter. Mmmmmm.

 

MadR

mini watermelons are good, you eat 'em too fast to get squishy.

 

DB91939

watermelons are amazing

 

Author376

Best watermelons ever are always sold on the side of the road, out of pickup trucks in South Georgia and Northern Florida.

 

DB91939

because they don't make you gain much weight

 

starsinger

I've got dinner waiting at home, borrowing friends' computer, and we're watching tool time

 

MadR

mmm summer food.

 

DB91939

like... you can just eat them and eat them and eat them and nothing happens. because they're mostly water

 

Author376

Really, there were 15 watermelon farms between my parents house near Jacksonville and my grandparents house in Gainesville, sigh.

 

DB91939

wow

 

Amokitty

You've been away for a while, Star. I'm really glad you came! Doesn't matter if it's by hook or by crook. :)

 

Author376

Yes, great to see you here!

 

starsinger

well, we're moving, so there's no telling.

 

Amokitty

I hope it goes well!

 

starsinger

me too

 

Author376

Best Wishes on the move!

 

MadR

hope the move goes okay

 

starsinger

thank you!

 

MadR

brb

 

Kirayoshi

Meanwhile I'm finally getting my copy of LoEG: Black Dossier next Tuesday

 

Kirayoshi

Got it on sale at barnesandnoble.com

 

Amokitty

I have to admit though, i was pleased at how Joss made Peter finally look good. Telling Kruun that he would become the new Powerlord was righteous. Loved that.

 

DB91939

yeah

 

DB91939

he didn't sound like Boris Badniov

 

Author376

Too bad having Piotr kick but was the only fun thing.

 

Kirayoshi

I'll admit that i enjoyed seeing Spider-Man realize that the heroes were being manipulated.

 

DB91939

which, coincidentally, is what I thought of throughout the entire last Indy Jones film

 

Kirayoshi

"Wait a minute..."

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Author376

Bye and hi!

 

starsinger

have no idea what just happened

 

Kirayoshi

Got a yo-yo on us, Star?

 

Amokitty

Makes you wonder if word got back to Joss that his portrayal of Peter was lacking, so he decided at the last to try to make up for it.

 

starsinger

scratching head

 

darkstorm5000

Wish word would've gotten back to him a bit sooner though...

 

Amokitty

No kidding! but it reinforces the opinion I share with Xak that Joss did a last minute re-write.

 

Author376

I'm relying on fanfiction now. I will live in my own little world, and I will write it too.

 

Author376

I agree with the re-write theory.

 

Kirayoshi

The one good thing about the end of the book was that Marvel doesn't really need to retcon it to bring her back.

 

melodyrider

It's been confirmed that Joss did a rewrite. Kitty was originally going to die

 

starsinger

I all ready rewrote one story, I'm not sure I'm up to doing it again

 

Kirayoshi

Hey, they brought Spoiler back in DC comics and it didn't suck, why not?

 

Author376

That is good. They can just do a "the cat came back the very next day"

 

starsinger

instead she's just lost?

 

MadR

The Spoiler thing pissed me off, actually

 

Xakko

OK, Sesame Street flashback

 

Author376

I'm now humming that rhyme.

 

starsinger

either that or dr seuss!

 

Kirayoshi

Why, because they undid the whole "Dr. Thompkins let her die to prove a point" thing?

 

Amokitty

Venuscameback told Xak and I as much, but that was AFTER Xak made his opinion known. Where have you seen this confirmed, mel?

 

Kirayoshi

Personally that's what I liked best about it.

 

melodyrider

Someone who responded to OPFs post about the issue

 

MadR

I do not believe Steph was a planned return. It was to shut up the Steph Was A Robin/Where's Her Memorial crew.

 

Amokitty

Mel: someone connected with Whedon or Marvel??

 

MadR

The fruitbat and his 'I knew all along. I just let Tim and Cass think she was dead...'

 

melodyrider

Well, he also mentions having read the Ellis scripts, so I'm guessing Marvel

 

Kirayoshi

So, we always knew Batman was a dick! It's okay for him!

 

Author376

I don't like the newer, eviler, Bruce. I like him edgie, but not... Oh well.

 

starsinger

hey, 376, is the empathic bond between Peter and Kitty going to eventually affect Lockheed?

 

Kirayoshi

I like Bruce in Detective Comics myself.

 

MadR

Waves. I admit that I have lingering Ted Issues.

 

Kirayoshi

THere was a great 2-parter where he and Zatanna took on the Joker, and they had Bruce actually apologize to Zatanna for being a dick to her over the whole Identity Crisis thing.

 

Kirayoshi

They also revealed that when they were kids, he and Zatanna had a moment.

 

Amokitty

I learned the day after Ellis was announced as the new writer that Kitty would die, but kept hoping it was wrong. But even now, it's not like she's exactly alive either. Which sort of makes it a cop-out in my eyes. It looks like Joss didn't change enough. And he should have.

 

Author376

I'm planning on Piotr evenually gaining a shadow of the bond that Kitty shares with Lockheed. They'll end up talking as much as Kitty and Piotr do. Lockheed's species has a similar bond, so he thinks that what they're going through is normal enough. The funny thing will be when Lockheed starts asking when they're planning to mate and make a nest. Offspring are the logical next step...

 

MadR

I do like Bruce trying to mentor Jaimie, too, in Ted's memory.

 

Xakko

did it bring Sue Dibny back?

 

Kirayoshi

Not quite, but I think Sue and Ralph are hanging around in Batman and the Outsiders as ghosts.

 

starsinger

lmao, that's going to be really funny

 

MadR

Booster'll get around to it eventually!

 

Kirayoshi

Sort of like Mr. and Mrs. Topper.

 

Xakko

yeah, um, no thanks

 

MadR

"I can fix this, I can fix everything...." Oh Mike....

 

Xakko

* loved Ralph and Sue in Giffen's League

 

Kirayoshi

Hey, I'

 

Author376

Especially since Piotr is on the low end of the empathic spectrum. He can share with Kitty, but both her and Lockheed have active powers so they can whump Piotr with their thoughts.

 

Kirayoshi

I'm still pissed at DC for killing off Mr. Miracle and Barda!

 

Kirayoshi

Somedays the dragon wins.

 

Amokitty

Huh? WTH? K, I didn't know that! Where/when did this happen?!

 

Xakko

oh, I haven't bothered with DC - Deb reads Bird of Prey and Nightwing, and I'll look at those, but, *shrug*

 

Author376

Poor Piotr is going to have a hard time NOT thinking about Kitty and sex and kids, and it's going to make his determined good behavior very... uncomfortable at times.

 

Amokitty

Poor Scott. Poor Barda. RIP.

 

Author376

Yes, sometimes the Dragon does win.

 

MadR

I think Mr Miracle's alive in Booster Gold right now, in the OMAC Wins timeline.

 

Kirayoshi

Maybe that "mental sex" idea of Illyana's isn't so bad after all.

 

MadR

But damn, Kitty's lost in space and I have a feeling Ted needs to die to restore the timeline....comics suck for me.

 

Kirayoshi

Not wild about it myself.

 

Xakko

what are these "comics" of which you speak? I know only fanfic

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Kirayoshi

OMIGOD! Starsinger's been cloned!

 

Amokitty

And she's back! :)

 

starsinger2

sorry, I don't have an idea what's going on, it logs me off and now this

 

DB91939

uh oh

 

Xakko

what browser do you have?

 

Kirayoshi

I'm on Firefox.

 

Author376

They're going to have "mental sex" moments, and they aren't going to realize they're doing it until they've already gone a bit far. I'm going to have fun, next chapter, in revealing that they've ALREADY had empathic dream sex without realizing it! The reason why it was so hard for Piotr to look at her and ignore the intimate feelings they were having is that Kitty had just began to explore the beginnings of her own feelings, and was empathically whumping Piotr unknowingly through their first, less developed bond.

 

Kirayoshi

Maybe that'll work for you?

 

starsinger2

explorer

 

MadR

Heh. Superbuddies AU forever. And DocV's Mulletverse

 

MadR

376...oh cool!

 

MadR

brb

 

Xakko

OK, the lovefest of "Dark Knight" is starting to irritate me

 

DB91939

when does it come out?

 

Kirayoshi

I'll want to check that one out admittedly.

 

DB91939

because I'm really really excited for it

 

Amokitty

I love that! I was wondering if they would share dreams that would reflect their hormones. Heh, heh.

 

Author376

Poor Piotr's going to be upset. He was having empathic sex and didn't know it! How's he going to explain this to his morals... "Well it wasn't REAL Sex..."

 

Xakko

dunno, but the fact that Christopher Nolan is making the Joker a typical serial killer is just *wrong*

 

Kirayoshi

Poor Kitty

 

Kirayoshi

She'

 

Kirayoshi

She'll think she accidently raped him or something!

 

DB91939

well, I like that a bit

 

Kirayoshi

Or took advantage at least!

 

DB91939

in the original, the Joker didn't really seem all that threatening

 

Author376

She's going to get all embarressed and upset and appolgise and he's going to say something like, "Oh, no, Katya, it was wonderful!" and that will add to the fun!

 

Kirayoshi

OY!

 

starsinger2

and she'll still be a virging! lol

 

Amokitty

It's going to be hard watching that movie knowing Heath's dead. I'll have to brace myself.

 

Xakko

the best on screen portrayal of the Joker for me was Mark Hamill

 

Kirayoshi

This is starting to read like Phil Foglio's XXXenophile!

 

Amokitty

Agreed.

 

Author376

Then Piotr will have the quandry of whether or not to try to stop it, or experiment with it!

 

Amokitty

About the Joker, I mean. :)

 

Kirayoshi

Especially Batman Beyond.

 

DB91939

so this empathic sex... is it just with emotions, stripped down to the raw synapses, or are they going to be imagining that they're like... actually touching each other

 

DB91939

yeah

 

DB91939

Mark Hamill was brilliant

 

Kirayoshi

And of course the problem of, "How do we keep it from the Prof?"

 

starsinger2

I don't think that's even possible

 

DB91939

he had the really sadistic part... the cold-hearted killer, but then he had the hilarious insanity as well

 

Kirayoshi

Oh, and does Rachel figure in this story?

 

Kirayoshi

She showed up about the time the gang got back from Secret Wars.

 

Amokitty

Alien Ways is going to be (and IS) so much fun!

 

Author376

Remember, images are part of this, but only at advanced levels of communications. Kitty was basically sharing her adolescent fantasys and letting Piotr play along.

 

Author376

The Professor's going to pick up on their distress and have a "How the heck did I miss this!" moment!

 

starsinger2

if I'd had a boyfriend like Peter when I was that age, oh, never mind

 

Kirayoshi

Will Kitty learn to read Peter's fantasies?

 

Author376

I'm glad that you like it, as I've said it's open AU if anyone wants to play in it!

 

DB91939

if I'd had a boyfriend that looke dlike Peter... I'd have six hundred children by now

 

Amokitty

No need for never mind, Star! We already know!!! ;)

 

Xakko

oh my. can Kitty handle the "every 10 seconds" thing?

 

Amokitty

OMG. LOL.

 

MadR

LOLOL

 

Kirayoshi

Maybe that retrovirus that Kitty took voluntarily will adapt her body?

 

starsinger2

I hope Peter has plenty of convenient books

 

darkstorm5000

Or... ::smoke

 

Author376

All of that is going to be so much fun! Poor Piotr is going to have to deal with Kitty asking about his fantasy's. Why not share, she did? And then the Prof will want to talk to him about it, and trying NOT to think about something NEVER works...

 

Amokitty

*cracks up*

 

Kirayoshi

I definitely see him filling up a few tablets with pencil sketches based on his shared dreams.

 

Kirayoshi

"Try not to think about elephants"

 

Kirayoshi

I covered that in "What Happens in Vegas"

 

DB91939

oooh

 

starsinger2

roflmao

 

Author376

BEST IDEA EVER!!! Logan finds Piotr's naughty sketch books.

 

Author376

Loved Vegas!

 

Kirayoshi

And the claws come out!

 

starsinger2

Peter's Porn

 

MadR

bak. Damn deer.

 

Author376

All of them contain kitty.

 

starsinger2

deer?

 

Author376

Deer?

 

Amokitty

Are they eating your flowers, veggies, Rose?

 

Kirayoshi

Bambi! NOOOOO!

 

Xakko

who jinxes who?

 

MadR

Deer out back, dogs going nuts.

 

Xakko

brb

 

Author376

Oh, be glad you don't have a St. Bernard. My old dog drug one down in our backyard once. Poor bambi.

 

MadR

Spring has sprung.

 

starsinger2

that explains the population explosion at work

 

MadR

baaaaaaby animals?

 

Author376

Is that in the cages or amongst the people cleaning them?

 

Amokitty

Oh geez, 376. Did the dog kill the deer?

 

Kirayoshi

Here in Spokane, we skipped Spring and went straight on into Summer.

 

starsinger2

those swans from my story? at least 8 eggs,

 

Kirayoshi

Rapid meltoff from the mountains is flooding the highways.

 

Author376

My dog, yeah, he did. Then we had to take it away from him before he ate it and made himself sick. He was 250 pounds. He was a big puppy.

 

Amokitty

Here too, K. Also where Mel lives, i suspect.

 

starsinger2

plus three Malayan tiger cubs, 2 long-nosed bats, and 9 roseatte spoonbill chicks

 

MadR

Ack! Dog In Elk flashback!

 

Author376

Oh, I love baby animals.

 

melodyrider

Yeah, we were having bits of snow through most of April

 

starsinger2

have to settle for baby giraffe, though, only one out

 

MadR

Springtime at the zoo...always fun to see the new babies.

 

Amokitty

We had snow until mid April. Weird.

 

starsinger2

snow in april in texas? never mind, has happened, just not this year

 

DB91939

try snow in June

 

DB91939

it's happened many times in Colorado

 

starsinger2

well, unfortunately, I need to go home, and give my friend her computer back

 

Author376

We were in Montana once, in July and it snowed at Yellow Stone.

 

Author376

Oh, sadness! Bye!

 

starsinger2

gn e1

 

Author376

Take care!

 

MadR

bye Star, nice chatting

 

Amokitty

There are several highways near where I live that won't open until June due to snow.

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DB91939

there's snow on the Contintental Divide all year long here

 

darkstorm5000

Bye Star!

 

Amokitty

Aw, darn it!! Star left so quick!  Bye!

 

Kirayoshi

Sorry to miss ya, Star

 

Author376

Oh, We once drove our motorhome through Wolf Creek Pass in Colorado. We had to stop every couple of miles and pull over to rest the engine!

 

Xakko

back... gah! g'nite Star!

 

DB91939

how come?

 

Author376

The elevation! sharp inclines put huge strain on big engines hauling lots of weight. That's why a lot of roads in the mountains are closed to Semi's.

 

DB91939

ooooh

 

DB91939

yeah, I've learned how to drive on those roads, so I never really thought about those problems

 

Amokitty

Mountain passes are tough on trucks. You can chain them all you want and there's still gonna be trouble.

 

Author376

That's also why the roads that do allow them have such huge side areas here and there. It's so the trucks can pull over and cool their engines.

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Author376

No kidding. There was a runaway Semi that went down the Apalachians this year in WV, and it was messy. You should have seen the local new's pictures.

 

Kirayoshi

They're dropping like flies!

 

Author376

I think one of them may have been a Skrull....

 

Xakko

gah.

 

Author376

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll put away the sugar...

 

Xakko

Secret Invasion makes my teeth itch

 

Kirayoshi

Oh, another one from that David Letterman list":

 

Kirayoshi

Bullet? Breakworld? I was with Nick Fury handling the Skrulls the whole time. Looks like someone's team got Secretly Invaded"

 

Xakko

better known as "Brian Bendis takes a giant blankety blank over Marvel continuity"

 

Kirayoshi

Again, another writer who has a split personality.

 

Amokitty

Bendis has WAY too much free reign at Marvel.

 

Author376

I agree, I just use the Skrull jokes out of sarcasm. They treat them like a plot band aid. No wait, I didn't write that, It was a skrull!!!

 

Kirayoshi

Everyone loves his work on Ultimate Spider-Man and Powers, but hates House of M and Secret Invasion.

 

Xakko

which followed, of course, "Mark Millar takes a giant blankety blank over Marvel characterization"

 

Author376

Which is why I am sticking to fanfiction. I really think we put more thought into our stories than they do, and ours are free.

 

Amokitty

.... and SO much better, 376!

 

Xakko

making me wish neither of them ate at the Marvel commissary on Mexican day

 

Amokitty

LMAO.

 

DB91939

ok kids, my laptop is almost dead

 

Xakko

gah!

 

DB91939

so nice chattin

 

Amokitty

DB, thanks for coming tonight! :)

 

Xakko

by DB!

 

DB91939

see you later

 

melodyrider

Night, DB!

 

Xakko

bye, too!

 

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MadR

bye db

 

Kirayoshi

Later

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Kirayoshi

And welcome back Author!

 

Xakko

now it's happening to 376!

 

Amokitty

Who do you think might be the writer to bring Kitty back? Ellis? Brubaker? Claremont?

 

Author376

Grr, My mom started the dryer over top of my room (I'm in the basement) and it ate my wireless signa.!

 

Kirayoshi

At least Ellis likes Kitty and knows how to write her.

 

Kirayoshi

And Paul Cornell would tell him, "Hands off Pete Wisdom!"

 

Kirayoshi

Yeah, I know, no one likes Paul Cornell here.

 

Author376

As long as they get her back with Piotr. No Pete Wisdom!

 

Author376

Or at least, no Pete Wisdom and Kitty together.

 

MadR

Will Ellis flip out over Piotr/Kitty though?

 

Amokitty

Do you like Cornell's comic book writing, K? :)

 

Kirayoshi

Like I said about Pryde and Wisdom, I like her and I like him.

 

Kirayoshi

I like tuna and I like chocolate. I just don't like them together.

 

Kirayoshi

Haven't read it.

 

Kirayoshi

Couldn't comment.

 

Kirayoshi

I did hear something cool if it's true.

 

Author376

I've got this evil thought, since I'm keeping Kitty, Piotr, and Illyana together for Excalibur in Alien Ways... What does anyone think of Illyana and Pete Wisdom?

 

Kirayoshi

Neil Gaiman may be writing a special episode of Doctor Who.

 

Amokitty

I haven't picked up Capt. Britain & MI:13, but would like to know how it went. Anybody read it yet?

 

Author376

Nope.

 

MadR

Piotr would have a cow.

 

Kirayoshi

I kinda want to play with that if I ever finish Family Reunion.

 

Xakko

I can't see it, personally.

 

Author376

That would be the fun part!

 

Author376

Family Reunion is wonderful!

 

Kirayoshi

I can see Illyana flirting with Pete, just to get a rise out of Piotr.

 

Author376

I actually think they would go well together.

 

Kirayoshi

May I assume that Inferno doesn't go as planned?

 

Amokitty

Oh no, 376! You too? Between you and Kirayoshi you're bound and determined that they be together! (just kidding!)

 

Xakko

that, I *can* see, K. but not for an actual date

 

Author376

And Illyana could be brutal about the age gap being proven unimportant by Kitty and Piotr.

 

Kirayoshi

Yeah, but in her case, it's much wider.

 

Amokitty

Heaven knows the age gap never meant a thing to Wisdom!

 

Kirayoshi

I mean, chonologically she's only 7? 8?

 

Xakko

And no, I didn't read Cornell's new series. I think Ian said it was awful, but it went for a second printing

 

MadR

I can see Piotr grudgingly accepting it....and having a little talk with Pete. The 8 Simple Rules talk....

 

Author376

I'd kind of see Pete falling for Kitty a bit, staying and flirting with Illyana to get to Piotr, and falling for her.

 

Amokitty

Number one issues usually do though don't they?

 

Kirayoshi

Is it me or are all the British writers trying to ape Grant Morrison?

 

Kirayoshi

Or Alan Moore?

 

Author376

I can see Pete pointing out that as a Demonic Sorceress she's scarier than he is :)

 

Xakko

I always thought Morrison was a Moore wannabe. A very talented Moore wanna be, but a wannabe all the same

 

Kirayoshi

You ever read a fic called "Fun with Stones", Author?

 

Author376

Nope, what is it?

 

Kirayoshi

It's one of the few decent Kete fics out.

 

Kirayoshi

An alternate take on Excalibur #92.

 

Author376

Ah, nope, I stay away from Kete, it makes me grind my teeth.

 

Author376

What happens? Asks anyway.

 

Kirayoshi

Piotr sees Kitty and Pete kissing and instead of attacking Pete, he introduces himself.

 

Kirayoshi

He then takes him aside and tells him, "If you and Kitty are in love, then I give you my blessings."

 

Kirayoshi

He then picks up two rocks and adds, "But if you hurt her..."

 

Kirayoshi

He then armors up and pulverizes the rocks in his bare hands.

 

Author376

Ooh, that is fun.

 

MadR

Heh, good one.

 

Amokitty

And RARE. Peter almost never catches a break in a Kete fic.

 

Kirayoshi

At the end of the story he tells Kitty that he's happy for her and they become friends.

 

MadR

I'll say one thing for Giant size and Uncanny, Piotr gets some badass moments in both.

 

Kirayoshi

I think my main problem with Kete is that the pro-Kete fanfics tend to demonize Piotr.

 

Amokitty

And it really isn't neccessary.

 

Author376

They do. I've tried not to demonize Pete, but occassionally I do.

 

Kirayoshi

I also stumbled on a fun one called "Many Happy Free-turns"

 

Xakko

probably because they don't know the character aside from Exc #92

 

Kirayoshi

Written when everyone thought Pete and Piotr were dead.

 

MadR

These at the Pit of Voles?

 

Xakko

I struggle with Pete Wisdom myself. I find the anti-hero a pathetic wish fulfillment type of character.

 

Kirayoshi

A computer game company memo concerning a new RPG game whose characters bear a strong resemblance to Piotr, Pete, Illyana and Doug.

 

Amokitty

Rose: I loved it when Peter said it was okay to torture Logan, and Logan's comeback. One of the few moments I actually enjoyed.

 

MadR

And carrying Kurt and kicking the door down.

 

Author376

The torture Logan bit was funny. I'll give it that.

 

Kirayoshi

I tend to channel a cross between Duncan McCloud from the Highlander series and Jack Harkness from Doctor Who and Torchwood. Just not bi.

 

MadR

I bitch at Joss for doing it, but I write Pete Wisdom as Spike. Since, y'know, he IS.

 

Amokitty

Yep. Whedon's lack of orginality strikes again.

 

Author376

I liked how you wrote Pete in the Telephone Tag piece.

 

Kirayoshi

My problem with that is that i hate Spuffy even more than I hate Kete!

 

MadR

Oh man, anyone hear that they're going to remake Highlander The Movie?

 

Author376

Oh, no!

 

Amokitty

Will it have a cameo of Chris Lambert?

 

Author376

I loved the original, what are they going to do to it now?

 

MadR

Hate Spuffy too, but the Spike/Angel bickering is fun.

 

Author376

Spike/Angel bickering was fun, even though I didn't watch too much Buffy or Angel.

 

Xakko

as long as they don't do Highlander 2 again

 

MadR

Haven't heard much. Hope they don't mess with the script too much...supposed to be the Iron Man writer, so might not suck.

 

Author376

That is a hopeful note.

 

Amokitty

Loved Ironman!!!

 

Author376

Ironman made me so happy. I miss the fun old Tony.

 

Author376

He was a drunk, but you had to hug him.

 

Kirayoshi

I enjoyed Iron Man very much.

 

Author376

Now I want to go after him with a grapefruit spoon. The little serations wouldn't feel very nice.

 

Amokitty

You and everybody else, 376!

 

Author376

It's good to have a concensus.

 

Xakko

so, can anyone else explain why the New X-men kids were on the SWORD platform?

 

Kirayoshi

For once, they didn't end the superhero movie with the old "We can't be together because I'm Spider-Man/Superman/Batman/Harry Potter" thing.

 

Amokitty

Can anyone explain why Ororo didn't give a rat's ass about Kitty???

 

Xakko

just so Cassaday could draw Nezhno, Pixie, Anole et al?

 

melodyrider

Best guess? They just rounded up anyone they could get their hands on with short notice

 

Author376

That was a good thing. Not to see the Angsty, It cannot be, ending.

 

Kirayoshi

Am I the only one who dreads Pixie as a full-fledged X-Man?

 

Xakko

doesn't explain the lack of Black Panther. especially since, y'know, being married to Storm

 

Author376

Pixie is a purple haired Jenna Jameson wannabe. I hate that character with a passion.

 

Kirayoshi

Given Marvel's current stand on couples, how do we know they didn't already split up?

 

Xakko

er, you're confusing her with Land's art\

 

melodyrider

They're not attatched at the hip, though

 

Amokitty

I.... hate Pixie. I hate that poor kid's guts. And it's not even her fault.

 

Author376

Maybe Black Panther's a house husband?

 

melodyrider

He could have been anywhere from Wakanda to another planet for all we know

 

Kirayoshi

Between Pixie and Armor we have two half-Kitties.

 

MadR

Kitty And Jubilee: The Next Generation

 

Author376

Maybe, sorry, but the dislike still stands for Pixie.

 

Amokitty

Exactly. Not to mention an Illyana rip-off.

 

MadR

Unless Cassie Nova turns out to be riding Armor.

 

Kirayoshi

I'll admit that I like Armor.

 

Kirayoshi

But I don't want to see her become another Logan sidekick.

 

Author376

I hate how powerful they are making Pixie. With that sort of power, what's left for the kids to fight against anymore.

 

Kirayoshi

Let her become her own character.

 

Xakko

Armor ends up being the highlight of Whedon's run, for me. Well, after Piotr's return

 

Author376

I'd like to see Armor as her own character.

 

Amokitty

At least Armor is orginal. Hisako doesn't rely on past stories for development either.

 

Amokitty

Unfortunatly, it looks like she may bond with Logan and I hope to god it doesn't happen. it's been done already (and probably better too).

 

Xakko

he really hasn't had a teenage sidekick since Jubilee, yes?

 

Kirayoshi

I had a weird idea for Jubilee after House of M.

 

Amokitty

No, and I hope it doesn't happen again.

 

Author376

Oh?

 

Author376

Weird ideas are generally neat.

 

Kirayoshi

I thought of a story idea where Jubilee would emerge after the Decimation as a public former mutant who now sided with an anti-mutant organization.

 

Author376

Wow.

 

Author376

That is different!

 

Kirayoshi

The X-Men try to 'rescue' her thinking she'd been brainwashed.

 

Amokitty

Like have her join Friends of Humanity or something??

 

Kirayoshi

At the end of the story, she revealed that she openly joined the anti-mutant group out of hatred for the X-Men for abandoning her when she lost her powers.

 

Xakko

I wasn't impressed at all with the New Warriors appearance

 

Author376

That is actually very real. They basically had the X-Men abandon all of the depowered mutants. There must be some huge resentment there.

 

Kirayoshi

Scott's trying not to be Professor X, but he's becoming a bigger douche than the Prof ever was.

 

Amokitty

Jubes needs to learn that the X-Men do that sort of thing all time. Kitty could tell her all about that! Dallas, the post Seth the Neo flight back to earth....

 

Xakko

well, give the writers a chance, K. they can have Chuck catch up on jerkness in retcons!

 

Amokitty

Oy.

 

Kirayoshi

Call me when the pendulum swings away from irony and back to fun.

 

Author376

I'm at least having fun in Alien Ways with having Piotr insist on staying with Kitty on Muir Island while she recovers.

 

Author376

Those are my thoughts EXACTLY Kirayoshi!

 

Amokitty

And that makes perfect sense, 376. Logic has no place inthe Marvel Universe.

 

Kirayoshi

Meanwhile Nexus is back so there are still some fun comics out.

 

Xakko

I do like the story about why Piotr was wandering Scotland

 

Kirayoshi

Which one was that?

 

Xakko

It was in an anthology book called "Paint by Numbers" (I think) - it had Piotr bonding with Callisto over a dying Morlock child, and Kitty getting jealous, thinking that Callisto had a crush on Piotr...

 

Xakko

the story is called "Paint By Numbers"

 

Amokitty

I hope Callisto stays far, FAR away now that Kitty is "gone'.

 

Xakko

the book is called "X-Men Legends"(?)

 

Author376

Ooh, I just had an idea why Kitty and Piotr's shared dreams weren't heard by the Prof before! Their rooms were right next to each other, and Kitty didn't have to expend any real empathic energy to reach him. Now he's been moved to another wing They're going to be "reaching" for each other all the way across the Mansion!

 

Kirayoshi

Uh, isn't Calisto batting for the other team nowadays?

 

MadR

G'nite all.

 

Kirayoshi

Aw, leaving?

 

melodyrider

Night, Rose!

 

Xakko

g'nite rose... thanks for coming

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Author376

Calisto always struck me as an opportunist. Sexual or otherwise.

 

Amokitty

Aw Rose, I wish you could stay!

 

Author376

Oh, darn!

 

Author376

Bye Rose!

 

Xakko

the tentacles didn't do anything for me. yuck.

 

Amokitty

Um, wow. that was quick... bye Rose….

 

Kirayoshi

Me neither.

 

Xakko

it's 12:30 for her... maybe her arm is hurting?

 

Author376

Yes, I hope her arm improves. It's been bothering her a lot, it seems.

 

Amokitty

Yeah, I sure hope her arm gets to feeling better.

 

Amokitty

Speaking of tentacles. Has anyone seen the upcoming Heroes For Hire cover?

 

Kirayoshi

I thought Heroes for Hire was cancelled.

 

Xakko

I took a nap. ::happy

 

darkstorm5000

They're bringing it back?

 

Kirayoshi

Or is that the TPB?

 

Kirayoshi

That cover was old news.

 

Kirayoshi

Since WWHulk!

 

Kirayoshi

The bad news I heard today?

 

Kirayoshi

Starting this fall: Marvel Zombies 3!

 

Author376

Oh, No!

 

Amokitty

Oh, well I guess that shows you how behind I am! LOL. That cover was just WRONG.

 

Kirayoshi

Otherwise known as "Beating a Dead Horse"

 

Author376

No, No, No, No, No,! I hated the darned Zombies.

 

Author376

I still hate them.

 

Amokitty

Oh dear....

 

Author376

Still hating them.

 

Kirayoshi

The idea was vaguely okay for a oneshot, but long term?

 

Xakko

easy enough to avoid

 

Kirayoshi

Let it die already!

 

Xakko

it's undead, K. you need to shoot it in the head

 

Amokitty

And then BURN them!

 

Kirayoshi

I still live in fear that we'll see a Zombie-variation cover based on AXM #6!

 

Kirayoshi

EW!

 

Amokitty

Good point, K! I've seen the zombie cover to Uncanny #141- Days Of Future Past. Doing a zombie cover to AXM #6 wouldn't surprise me a bit!

 

Kirayoshi

Not to mention that one featured Ash!

 

Kirayoshi

Who's currently appearing in a Xena comic.

 

Amokitty

Good old Ash. I still pine to see Evil Dead 4 made.

 

Xakko

I haven't bought a single zombie story - not even the acclaimed "Walking Dead"

 

Kirayoshi

Not a big Zombie fan

 

darkstorm5000

I don't know, but the whole Zombie fascination that's swept over Marvel lately's been completely lost on me

 

Kirayoshi

But I am curious about 28 Days Later.

 

Author376

Oh, It's nearly one, and I've got to be up early tomorrow. So I have to bid everyone a fond fairwell for the night!

 

Author376

Thanks for all the great conversation.

 

Kirayoshi

I think it went too far when they did a zombie-parody based on the old Iron Man: Demon in a Bottle issue.

 

melodyrider

Night, 376!

 

Author376

Bye.

 

Amokitty

Thank you for visiting with us, 376! Have a great weekend!

 

Kirayoshi

Author! Author!

 

Kirayoshi

Cya!

 

Amokitty

Night! :)

 

darkstorm5000

'night A376!

  Author376 left.

 

 

Kirayoshi

And with that, I'll take my leave as well.

 

Kirayoshi

Peace out!

 

Amokitty

Bye, K. Thank you for coming tonight!

  Kirayoshi left.

 

 

Xakko

gah! g'nite 376 and K

 

Xakko

wow, that thinned the crowd

 

Amokitty

It did.

 

Amokitty

I guess after Astonishing there's not much to say? ;)

 

Xakko

has anyone been over to Whedonesque since the issue came out?

 

Amokitty

Not at all. I figured they'd be falling all overthemselves praising it, so I didn't bother.

 

Xakko

I was just curious - if Whedon mentioned it.

 

darkstorm5000

I think I've only ever visited once, and not recently

 

Xakko

I think, in the end, writing Astonishing wasn't much fun for him

 

melodyrider

*shakes head* I don't really go there

 

Amokitty

I can't imagine anybody there having the balls to admit that four years is an awful long wait for 24 mostly pitiful issues.

 

Amokitty

Plus a sad, disappointing, not-so-Giant Sized issue.

 

Xakko

As Kirayoshi pointed out - there's a lot that can be done with Kitty.

 

Amokitty

Xak, I think you're right. The ending was so weak. It's almost as if Joss just wanted the damn thing over with. I know WE did.

 

Xakko

tying into the next Vulcan chapter might not be the worst thing in the world.

 

darkstorm5000

Looking at the current Buffy Series, it's seems rare that he actually writes an entire issue himself. Maybe he needed a few co-writers to write out whatever plot ideas he had to help speed things up with AXM?

 

melodyrider

Mostly I just don't think comics is where he belongs, period

 

Amokitty

I thank Joss for the good he did. But that was in the beginning when I think he cared a lot more than he does now.

 

Xakko

his disillusionment with the comics fanbase was clear in the nPR interview

 

Amokitty

Joss brought Kiotr back for a time. And despite what others may think, he gave us a grownup Kitty. He gave Peter a comeback. I'm grateful. But the ending takes so much of that away.

 

Xakko

like I said before, I've pretty much made my peace with his run. he gave us one really good new character - Hisako - and a couple fairly lame villains - Ord and Danger

 

Xakko

I don't think the ending is as bad - it just took way too long to get there. And he needed a better reason to stop Earth's heroes from going to retrieve it

 

Amokitty

Peter was WAY too kind to Ord at the end. What was up with that?? This was the guy responsible for Peter's years of hell.

 

Amokitty

So was Brand for that matter. Now she gets to hook up with Hank.

 

Xakko

the guy was dead - or almost dead. a little charity doesn't hurt in that case. Ord had done everything to save his world

 

Amokitty

Bah humbug.

 

melodyrider

Aghanne was the one responsible, actually. Ord was just a catspaw, doing what he thought he had to do to save his planet

 

Xakko

and Ord did save Piotr's life there, at the end

 

melodyrider

Peter could probably appreciate that

 

Amokitty

Ord may have been a pawn in this, but he was needlessly cruel.

 

Xakko

oh, definitely. but that was the nature of the Breakworlders, wasn't it?

 

Amokitty

I think Ord should've gotten a taste of his own medicine. Surely even he could've appreciated that.

 

Amokitty

But Peter for all his badass behavior this issue was far too forgiving, and gave up on Kitty far too easily. Where was his rage at Kitty being left behind? he's supposed to be made of rage after all. ;)

 

darkstorm5000

True

 

Xakko

I think Emma was sedating him.

 

Amokitty

That would certainly explain it.

 

melodyrider

I liked that the final panels with him were the same poses Kitty had when she found Peter. That was a nice touch, at least

 

Amokitty

Yes!!! I caught that too! A hand over the heart!

 

Xakko

would you have liked to have seen him say something to Emma telepathically when he was about to commit suicide in the core?

 

Xakko

something to pass along to Kitty, perhaps?

 

melodyrider

I don't think he really intended to kill himself, just unbalance Aghanne

 

Xakko

I think if it came down to it, he would have

 

Amokitty

Yes, I would've. He and Kitty both were willing to die in this story. We never heard either of their inner thoughts about this, or their thoughts on each other (golden opportunity right there). Makes me sad.

 

melodyrider

No arguement there

 

darkstorm5000

I'm just as surprised at the way everyone else just wrote Kitty's fate off. Let that have been Emma or Sue Richards' left stranded in that bullet...

 

Amokitty

Point.

 

Xakko

tho' Cassaday shows him with flesh and blood fingers, which isn't supposedly possible for him

 

Amokitty

I also thought it was funny the way Sue referred Kitty as that "Pryde girl". Like she and Sue never met. Ha.

 

Amokitty

Yes, why is it the thing now to show Peter selectively armoring his body parts???

 

Xakko

when is the next Vulcan story coming out?

 

melodyrider

*nods* That bothered me, too. Although she does at least call her Kitty Pryde in a later scene

 

darkstorm5000

I missed that one. Maybe I overlooked it, assuming it was Emma who said it.

 

Amokitty

i honestly don't care when the next Vulcan story comes out. How about, when is Banshee and Corsair returning stories instead? :D

 

darkstorm5000

I wouldn't hold my breath for too long on those

 

Xakko

i'm just saying - if it comes out in, say, September, and Rachel rescues Kitty at the end of issue #2, will you be as angry with Whedon?

 

Xakko

that isn't to say that GSAstonishing wasn't disappointing, just that if Kitty isn't gone for *years*.... if that might make you feel better

 

Amokitty

Which is exactly why it bothers me so much. I think they may stay dead because they're not important enough. they're cannon fodder for the likes of Vulcan. How distasteful.

 

Xakko

personally, the casual killing of Banshee probably made it impossible for me to give Brubaker an even break on his Captain America run.

 

Amokitty

I'll still be angry with Whedon because this has been four years of my life I'll never get back! ;)

 

Xakko

he brought back Colossus and got him together with Kitty. plus, you met all of us

 

Xakko

he gave rise to some really enjoyable fanfiction.

 

Xakko

in the end, I think the scales balance to the positive. If Kitty says away for a long time, it starts swinging the other way more, but right now...

 

Xakko

I don't see it as a waste.

 

darkstorm5000

I'll give him props on bringing Colossus back, just because that was the one thing I don't think ANYONE really saw coming at the start of his run.

 

Amokitty

There is that. but I'd like to think our chats would have happened somehow regardless. Kiotr fans/Kitty fans/Peter fans we all need to come together. :)

 

melodyrider

I think for me it will matter more *how* she's brought back than how soon

 

Xakko

I prefer the Illyana option. But Rachel saving her would tie in nicely with the end of "Prisoner of Fire"

 

melodyrider

>.< Now there was a horrible story

 

Xakko

Bogan really doesn't do much for me.

 

Xakko

But I liked getting Rachel back.

 

melodyrider

Bogan made no sense whatsoever

 

melodyrider

And you want to talk doing things with powers you're not supposed to, what's with Kitty not only breathing while underground, but *talking*?

 

Amokitty

Bringing Peter back DID give us all the impetus to meet each other, so I'll thank Joss for that too. His Astonishing run has given us all a lot of pleasure in having Kitty and Peter back together. I hope another writer is kinder tot hem though.

 

Xakko

yeah, or in superheated air of the magma stream

 

melodyrider

That shouldn't have been a weakness for her. She's been shown to be lavaproof while phased since Gorrak attacked her in UXM 149

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Xakko

but did she hold her breath? do the phased air molecules she breathes retain temperature?

 

Xakko

Hi Jeremy!

 

JHarper

Hello.

 

Amokitty

Well as I live and breathe! Jeremy!! :)

 

darkstorm5000

Hi Jeremy!

 

Amokitty

Howdy!

 

JHarper

I just remembered there was a chat tonight.

 

Amokitty

How's it going?? :)

 

JHarper

Okay. Had dinner with some friends, tonight.

 

Amokitty

Cool.

 

Amokitty

Have you read Astonishing? I'm very curious about what you thought of it.

 

JHarper

haven't read it. Haven't been to the comic store in well over a month. I'm pretty much through with comics, I think. I've read the spoilers over at the LJ site. Really don't know what to think of it, save that I wish it ended differently, and I wish Peter had been given more to do during Whedon's run.

 

Amokitty

Peter had a quite a bit to do in this last issue, but it's a crying shame Joss left that for last.

 

JHarper

Maybe I'll run down and buy it during the next week. I all ready dropped a lot of money, though, pre-purchasing D&D 4th Edition.

 

Xakko

in the end, I think Whedon really wanted to tell a Cyclops story. Kitty's his favorite - and that's why he brought Piotr back, but the whole run was based on his development of Scott Summers

 

Xakko

(development that was, IMO, the lowlight of his run)

 

Amokitty

And as you predicted Jeremy, Peter informed Kruun that he was taking over Breakworld and that he was the new Powerlord. Except, he's not.... Joss never mentioned what happened on Breakworld once the X-Men left. Just more of the unexplained when it comes to this series.

 

JHarper

Did he kill Kruun?

 

Xakko

nope - not that we saw

 

Amokitty

Check out my LJ, Jeremy. You'll be able to read it there. :)

 

JHarper

Wonder if Ellis will do anything with that - he likes science fiction. There's a British s.f. magazine - a very good one - called DeathRay, that claims Ellis is the best writer of Science Fiction working in comics today.

 

Amokitty

Which makes me wonder why Ellis is doing comics (and possibly movie deals) rather than focus on books.

 

JHarper

Who knows?

 

Xakko

Logan did chop off Kruun's arm, rendering him incapable of being Powerlord anymore, apparently

 

Amokitty

So I guess the planet is in civil war. Sadly we don't know what became of the planet.

 

Amokitty

They might have "broke" it themselves. ;)

 

JHarper

I may ask Garth Ennis that question, one day - if you hate super-heroes so much, why do you keep writing super-hero comics? Your constant slagging of them with books like the Pro and The Boys is just as juvenile as you claim super-heroes to be.

 

Amokitty

Heh, excellent point.

 

Xakko

because he gets *paid*

 

Xakko

and the tights and capes are where most of the money is

 

Xakko

(although he may want to explore manga - it's really taking over the marketplace)

 

JHarper

True. Ethics probably go out the door fast when you get paid probably over 100,000 a year, not counting royalties.

 

Xakko

Garth Ennis has ethics?

 

JHarper

How was that slumber party issue of Wolverine?

 

JHarper

That looked cute.

 

Xakko

that's not til July, I think

 

Xakko

this one was set in Wundagore

 

JHarper

Ennis lacks taste. I don't know about ethics.

 

JHarper

Ah. I thought the slumberparty one was this month.

 

Amokitty

Assuming Whedon's original intent was to indeed kill off Kitty. Why would he want to do that? To make fans mad? Killing off Buffy doesn't apply because she was the star of her own series so everyone knew she wasn't dead for long. In this case, Kitty might be gone for a good long while.

 

Xakko

Only he can really answer that, Amokitty

 

darkstorm5000

He doesn't seem to be a big fan of (truly) happy endings, as far as I can tell

 

Xakko

and I doubt he will - or will even admit that he changed the ending

 

Xakko

maybe he wanted to keep CC from turning her into a lesbian? (<seinfeld voice>not that there's anything wrong with that! </seinfeld voice>

 

Amokitty

*chuckles*

 

Xakko

one does wonder if the bit with all the ways the heroes would stop the magic bullet was original to the story. i assume it was, but maybe he had to add something like the Sentry's panel

 

Xakko

I wonder what Anole's fantasy of stopping the bullet was. Hell, he didn't even have his "Quest for Magik" monster arm.

 

Amokitty

So the most important thing here is that at least WHEDON is happy - even if the fans he's serving, aren't. I think he forgets who he answers to. It's the fans who ultimately give him his money.

 

Amokitty

Does anyone here miss New X-Men? Does anyone care about Young X-Men? I just can't.

 

JHarper

But a writer has to ultimately write for himself, or he's a hack. Of course, just because you write for yourself doesn't mean your story will be good.

 

Xakko

so long as Guggenheim doesn't ask me about it, I'm ok

 

Amokitty

That's true. But you have to give the fans a reason to come back.

 

Xakko

(ignoring it)

 

darkstorm5000

I haven't kept up with ith since Young X-Men started.

 

Xakko

but then, how do you know which fans to satisfy? if there's a Kete chatroom,I'm sure they've been cursing Whedon ever since Astonishing #3

 

Amokitty

The only thing "young" I'm reading is Wolverine First Class. I think it has loads of potential, but am waiting to see if this series will hit its stride.

 

Xakko

based on the comments on scans_daily, it was hit or miss for the fans there

 

Xakko

die hard Kitty fans are understandably upset, but then, I'm sure die hard Steve Rogers fans are still pissed off too

 

darkstorm5000

But I think Cap fans have a greater certainty to hold onto that Steve will be back in the near future. We aren't necessarily able to hang our hats on a prospect like that with Kitty.

 

Amokitty

But even as Kiotr fans, we have reason to take issue with Whedon's work. 'Shipper fans aside, there are some problems with Whedon's run. There is too much that doesn't make sense. This last issue seemed rushed in spite of us waiting since last January for it. It's now June. It kind of feels like we've been jerked around and none of us likes that feeling.

 

Xakko

so, MR, does this give you an opening for your "Adventures of Kitty Pryde"?

 

melodyrider

Well, I've been sort of expecting either a death or a dire hiatus of some kind, so I began making a few contingincy plans for that a while back

 

Xakko

and I agree, the issue felt rushed. parts of it flowed nicely - much of the Breakworld stuff - but the circumstances surrounding the magic bullet were sketchy

 

Amokitty

I'm still wondering how the others managed to get backt o earth so fast! LOL.

 

melodyrider

It's looking like I can get up to issue 31 with straight Kitty stories, and then make 32 a general 'everyone responds to her being gone' issue

 

Xakko

it didn't take very long for them to get to the Breakworld on the SWORD Ship

 

Xakko

will you write your own take on the rescue, or end the series there?

 

JHarper

Hasn't Bendis pretty much wiped out SWORD in Secret Invasion?

 

melodyrider

Neither, actually

 

Xakko

beats the crap out of me, Jeremy

 

Xakko

I read the first two issues of the mini - Deb wanted to get them - but nothing really stuck aside from the potential return of one character

 

JHarper

I actually like the concept of SWORD. It makes sense, considering how many alien races are interested in Earth.

 

melodyrider

I'm sending the Litter to the world of Kitty's Fairy Tale for an arc there, and either do some flashback stuff or stories with the rest of her supporting cast until she's brought back in canon

 

melodyrider

Which I hope will happen in time for issue 50 :)

 

Amokitty

I think that's really important, Mel. There's been NO reaction whatsoever until Uncanny #497. And then it was Peter, Logan, and Kurt only. And worse, it was very vague. We need to see some reactions. They've given Kitty up for dead. She saved them all. It's important to get the characters’ thoughts and insights on this.

 

JHarper

I'll give Whedon this much credti - at least he tried to introduce new villains and organizations.

 

Xakko

we don't know what we will see in "Manifest Destiny"

 

Xakko

(I really hate that name)

 

melodyrider

*nods* I figure it just hasn't happened in UXM or other places because the stories haven't had room for them. I have more freedom, so I figure I can slip one in

 

Xakko

I'm personally hoping to have BoM wrapped up by the end of next week. except maybe an epilogue

 

JHarper

Are you still planning that X-Men/Harry Potter cross over?

 

Xakko

yeah. I've done a lot of the research. I have to find the voices, tho'

 

melodyrider

He did. The villains were pretty underwhelming in my opinion, but even Stan Lee came up with a lot of stinkers

 

Amokitty

Whedon gave us SWORD which is good. Lockheed being the traitor was at least original. Danger - not so original. I hope we haven't seen the last of Tilde. Some of Whedon's ideas were innnovative and some were not, but for the most part it wasn't worth the time spent on them.

 

Xakko

Even if we all figured it out, I did love the concept of "Torn"... the psychological manipulation and such

 

Xakko

the Cassandra Nova dangler irritates me, especially since that's exactly what happened under that last Austen issue

 

Amokitty

Yes! That had the potential to be the best of Whedon's bunch! But Emma got away scott-free (no pun intended) and Cassie is... who knows?

 

Amokitty

I still have a hard time wondering how Emma's actions are justified and everything's okay.

 

Xakko

Of the four, he had 2 good arcs, and 2 mediocre ones. that puts his batting average near Morrison's... who I consider 3/6

 

JHarper

She probably mind-whammied everyone into forgiving her. :p

 

Xakko

that's more Emma-like than how Brubaker is writing her. :)

 

Amokitty

You bring up another point, Xak. Everyone figured out everything before it happened so easily! It makes it look like Joss didn't try very hard to maintain the mystery and suspense. Especially given how the book was delayed so much. One would think he'd try harder.

 

melodyrider

That's another reason I think he's better suited to television. The pacing is a *lot* different, and this whole story would have been 8 episodes, tops if it had been an hourlong drama

 

Amokitty

I absolutely agree!

 

Xakko

agreed... it's not his medium, but he did love the characters and the history.

 

Amokitty

So now we have Wolverine First Class to get our Kitty fix. I hope it's enough.

 

melodyrider

I'm happy with it so far

 

JHarper

I'll talk to you guys, later. I really don't have much to say, tonight.

 

Amokitty

I enjoy the book, but I think it has yet to hit any real sense of stride. There is no possible way this can fit into continuity, so disregarding that, I'm having fun with it.

 

Xakko

g'nite Jeremy

 

Xakko

thanks for stopping by

 

JHarper

Np. Take care.

 

Amokitty

Jeremy, I'm so very glad you came by! Thank you…  :)

 

melodyrider

Night. Jeremy!

 

darkstorm5000

'night, JH!

 

JHarper

G' night.

 

Amokitty

Good night, jeremy!

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Xakko

continuity has become far more malleable of late.

 

Xakko

(brb - bunny check)

 

Amokitty

Say hi to Puff for us! ;)

 

melodyrider

I'm not really seeing any continuity issues so far that can't be comfortably explained away. It is only up to issue 3, though, so who knows if that will last

 

Xakko

she's been out of her cage since 7 in the morning. she must be in heaven

 

Amokitty

I catch several flaws with canon in every issue, but no, it's nothing huge. Hopefully it never will be.

 

Xakko

so are we ever going to see your own writing, Amokitty?

 

Xakko

I thought you promised to share! (or am I misremembering to try and guilt you into posting some?)

 

Amokitty

Kitty and Siryn battling over Colossus will probably be the hit of my summer. :) Peter's portrayal in Uncanny isn't too bad, but I have no idea how Matt Fraction will handle the character. It ought to be interesting.

 

melodyrider

It will. WFC is definitely the kind of non-angsty, fun series Kir was saying he wanted to see.

 

Xakko

why is it that we have to go to non-current timeline books to get that sense of fun?

 

melodyrider

Too much baggage, most likely

 

Amokitty

I'm.... not sure Xak. I see the work that you and everyone else does, and I fear i can't meet that level of quality. What I'm working on (but haven't really worked on lately due to real life issues) is to have Kitty and Peter discuss Nova's mindrape, discuss Zsaji (mentioned in AXM #19) and the state of their relationship. I'm pretending Unstoppable never happens. It also devolves completely into smut so it's probably not worth anyone's time. ;) :)

 

Amokitty

And no. I never promised to share. :D

 

Xakko

I believe I speak for everyone when I say that smut is always worth our time. :D

 

Xakko

I can't write it myself, so I need to read it vicariously through others

 

melodyrider

The idea of writing smut scares me to death

 

darkstorm5000

Like...there's always room for it ::wink

 

Amokitty

Ha! :D Who knows? Maybe if I'm drunk or insane I'll get the guts and post it. Author 376 has made me promise her to let her peek at it if/when I finish it.

 

Amokitty

But for me, Whedon's Astonishing ends at #19 (with changes of course!)

 

Xakko

I think I've written exactly one piece of "erotica' in my life, and it sucked so bad I've never tried it again

 

Amokitty

But how do know it was bad? You wrote it, after all. :)

 

Xakko

it was... awful. let us never speak of it again. *shudder*

 

darkstorm5000

For me personally, I'd always worry about accidentally crossing that fine line between innocent smut and obscenity-chargeable subject matter.

 

Amokitty

Awww, now I wanna read it! Knowing the kind of work you do, I have a terrible time imagining you writing something as awful as you're insinuating.

 

Amokitty

I think it becomes obscene if it's emotionless, empty, gratuitous sex just for the sake of porntastic sex.

 

Xakko

let's just say it was over a decade ago, and then never ever say anything about it again

 

Amokitty

Can I at least ask if it was Kiotr related? If not, then what couple did it involve? Or was this orginal fiction?

 

Xakko

no, not kiotr. original.

 

Xakko

why are we still talking about it! i'm about to go fetal from shame

 

Xakko

:D

 

Amokitty

But we don't know any details! You're safe! Really! :D

 

Amokitty

We'll never know the way your sordid mind works!! ;)

 

Xakko

the memory is just that bad. fortunately, it's lost to history, so I couldn't share it if I wanted to

 

Amokitty

I WILL say that the Kiotr smut Joss wrote was funny. While it lacked tenderness, it was definitely amusing.

 

Xakko

this is true. and sex *is* funny.

 

Xakko

like chickens

 

Amokitty

Chicken sex? I know I've missed something here..... *scratches head*

 

Xakko

nonononono... sex is funny. chickens is funny. it's a joke Deb and I share

 

Xakko

mostly that chickens is funny.

 

Xakko

brb

 

Amokitty

Come to think of it, THAT was what probably pissed the Kete fans so much. That Joss made Peter so damn studly!!

 

Amokitty

Makes you wonder what Joss' buddy Ellis thought of that!

 

melodyrider

I don't think Ellis has a problem with Peter. He trends toward happy, stable couples, and was one of the first people to imply there was a chance they'd get back together

 

darkstorm5000

I think I'm going to go ahead and call it a night y'all

 

melodyrider

Night, DS!

 

Amokitty

Sorry, but I have my reservations on that, Mel. An alternate universe is not enough for me to think that. Ellis was too fond of Wisdom.

 

Amokitty

Goodnight Darkstorm! Thank you for coming to visit!! :)

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Amokitty

Have a nice night!

 

melodyrider

He also soured on Wisdom *very* quickly after he left Excalibur

 

Amokitty

Whoops. Once again, too slow…

 

Amokitty

You're right. Ellis said in an interview the reason why he wanted Wisdom dead. Hi sworst fears became realized.

 

melodyrider

But look at the end of issue 9. There are *three* couples in a single panel all kissing at the same time. When was the last time you saw that in a superhero comic?

 

melodyrider

*91

 

Amokitty

*his* worst fears that is.

 

melodyrider

Ellis likes couples to be happy. Peter needed to grow up to make Kitty happy. Peter *has* grown up, and I think Ellis would respect that

 

Amokitty

Do you suppose Ellis is a closet romantic? Heh, think of what that would do to his reputation! ;)

 

melodyrider

I'm not even sure it's a closet thing. He saves his snark for subjects outside of romance :)

 

Xakko

(back)

 

Amokitty

His take on the Scott/Emma ship as well as Hank and Brand should prove mighty interesting. We know he loves Storm. I'd love it if T'Challa would show up in an issue. Now there's a couple who need some quality writing.

 

Xakko

(g'nite DS!)

 

Amokitty

Speaking of Hank/Brand... i dunno about you two but her be so frikkin' hot for him blew me away. Did NOT expect to hear that from her.

 

Xakko

I thought she's been flirting with him for ages.

 

melodyrider

I worry for Hank. I don't see him getting anything out of that relationship

 

Amokitty

I still want to know what the names tattooed on her arms mean.

 

melodyrider

We may never know, now

 

Xakko

other than sex? he has complained about that from time to time (last I saw was in Nightcrawler's series)

 

Amokitty

I never saw her sarcasm as flirting, but now I'll have to look at those issues again!

 

Xakko

maybe I was looking at it through my "Remington Steele/Moonlighting" lenses?

 

Amokitty

Ha!! I loved Remington Steele. Back in the day I thought Pierce Brosnan was the flipping BOMB. 8sigh*

 

Amokitty

Can't help but wonder if we'll see Ellis have Lockheed talking again. I'm not even sure what's become of him. For all I know he may show up in another book. Or maybe not at all.

 

Xakko

whoever takes him will have to address what Whedon has wrought, don't you think?

 

Xakko

not that anyone really followed up on Ellis's stuff (aside from Raab with the Banfs and Nightmare)

 

Amokitty

but that applies to pretty much EVERYTHING Whedon did. Cassie Nova, Tilde and Rao, Danger, Breakworld.... None of these plotlines have resolution.

 

melodyrider

I don't think I'm all that bothered by the lack of closure with Danger and Breakworld. They never really interested me that much, but I was very dissapointed that Joss left so many dangling plotlines

 

Xakko

some don't need to be- Breakworld, for one.

 

melodyrider

Jinx!

 

Amokitty

*laughs*

 

Xakko

gah!

 

melodyrider

I prefer Dr. Pepper, thank you very much :)

 

Xakko

Danger could be an issue. With the power it has, an X-villain would want to seize it

 

Amokitty

*giggles*

 

Xakko

Cassie Nova does, since Armor is continuing as a character

 

melodyrider

A good writer could potentially do a lot with Danger, but if never happens, I won't miss her

 

Amokitty

What happened to Danger? Did she disappear intot he ether like Lockheed, lol?

 

melodyrider

Pretty much. She got one panel this issue and then, gone

 

Amokitty

*into* the ether. Lord my typing is in true form tonight...

 

Amokitty

It comes off looking sloppy.

 

Amokitty

Which is why I have such a hard believing that we've waited since january for this.

 

Amokitty

A line that I thought was hilarious was Aghanne saying that Dafi has a big mouth. That killed me.

 

melodyrider

That was pretty cute *nods* I liked the way Kitty went full circle in this issue. Her first line was "God... Help me." and her last line was "God... Give me strength..."

 

Amokitty

I noticed that too. :) Given the seriousness of the issue there was little of Joss' trademark humor in it. And believe it or not - I missed that.

 

Amokitty

The thing that would've made all of this a little easier to swallow owuld be for Kitty to say out loud her feelings for Peter. Or to hear Peter's thoughts on Kitty. We didn't get even ONE. I suppose we are to assume that Peter's feelings are too deep for words, but in light of how this iisue ended. I felt a bit cheated.

 

melodyrider

I honesty was hoping they'd tell each other they loved each other before the arc ended

 

Xakko

but instead, we got Kitty saying that Piotr should already known

 

Amokitty

cop-out.

 

melodyrider

*nods* My consolation there is that it was at least in character for her to go that way

 

melodyrider

But I would have preferred she actually said it anyway

 

Xakko

Whedon definitely dances around it - if another writer wants to make up something different, they could. even Logan didn't get to finish his thought about them

 

Amokitty

You're right! Instead we get to see Emma crying.... Odd. (because Kitty was never one of her students)

 

Xakko

but one she'd coveted

 

Amokitty

Kitty was the one who got away. Even Firestar can't truly say that.

 

melodyrider

Deeply. And the time she spent linked with her in those final moments probably affected her very strongly. She was doing Everything she could to save her

 

Amokitty

Scott behaved like an ass. I wish her death/disappearance affected more people. It SHOULD have. Kitty now knows just how truly thankless a job it is to save the world. *eyeroll*

 

melodyrider

Does anybody think it was Chicago she stopped the bullet from hitting

 

melodyrider

?

 

melodyrider

One of those buildings looks an Awful lot like the Sears Tower...

 

Xakko

I still dislike immensely that "clarity" helped him keep his powers in check for so long

 

Amokitty

Wow, that would've been something! Saving her own hometown.

 

Amokitty

Joss really kicked canon inthe teeth with Scott, didn't he? LOL.

 

Xakko

I also think its kinda funny that there's an ad for the Eternals right next to the scene where the bullet goes through Earth

 

Amokitty

The Prof. and Jean duping Scott into thinking his handicap was a physical problem rather than a mental one.... Damn them both to hell, and thank heavens to Emma for showing him the way!!!!!

 

Amokitty

That's so unintentionally funny. THEY could've saved Kitty!

 

Xakko

that he somehow could have hidden the psychological cause from Jean is pathetic. Whedon's belief that Mr. Fantastic somehow is a more natural leader than Cyclops is laughable.

 

Xakko

I'm sure the Celestial in San Francisco would have objected to the planet getting blown up under its feet as well

 

Amokitty

Seeing them all drooling was laughable. Joss made Kitty do what everyone on Earth couldn't. Maybe that was the point of Joss wanting so many heroes "involved". To have Kitty make them all look lame in comparison? :D

 

Xakko

I can see that. But I also realize he had to neutralize them somehow. There may have been a better way, or better foreshadowing that the Breakworlders had such advanced magic that they could set the trap they did

 

melodyrider

I don't like the *way* Kitty saved the earth, but I don't think it, by itself, made everyone else look lame, any more than Captain America being the last hero standing against Thanos during the Infinity Gauntlet made everyone else look lame

 

Amokitty

Of course he had to neutralize them so his objective of having Kitty save the day could happen, but as you well know from Book of Magic, there are ways to do this believably. It wouldn't take Whedon much effort to write that effectively. I honestly think he wrote this during commercials of his favorite tv shows.

 

Amokitty

Take into account I was being facetious when I said what I did about Kitty making everyone look bad, but there's no doubt it was poorly written. :)

 

melodyrider

Joss, I think, sometimes paints himself into corners. I still can't believe that his big solution to confronting Kitty with a box that was phase-proof was to have her phase *more.* Couldn't he have had her solve the problem some other way?

 

Xakko

i wonder when the magic bullet idea came to him

 

Xakko

'cause for me, that was kinda where i lost faith with the arc

 

Amokitty

It makes me quite sad to know that Kitty was meant to die from the very beginning. When Kitty tells Emma that she's inthe prison she rescued Peter from, it hit home. She had trouble phasing through Benetech's basement. Peter was meant to live. Kitty was meant to die.

 

Amokitty

Great point, Mel. I would've enjoyed Torn more if Kitty had used her brains to pick that box.

 

Xakko

it is, as people have said, SOP for Whedon, yes?

 

melodyrider

*nods* That was another dangling plot point that bothered me. We never got to really find out exactly what that metal was doing to her. And if she had died, we probably wouldn't have ever gotten to

 

Xakko

apparently it has merged molecules with her to some extent.

 

Xakko

she did make that comment to Emma when phasing her into Benetech that "as deaths go, it's not the funnest" (?)

 

melodyrider

*nods* That's how it looks, especially with the panel showing her hand changing to the metal. But an image hardly counts as an explanation

 

Xakko

could he have had her merge molecules and the result somehow makes the bullet explode? with two objects trying to exist in the same place?

 

Xakko

which would break known history when she would do it to others

 

Amokitty

But it's MAGIC, so anything can happen. *sigh*

 

Xakko

so, what's the thing that "sticks"? Scott's got his visor back. Kitty isn't dead. I don't get it.

 

Amokitty

That Kitty is... "gone".

 

melodyrider

No, that's probably not the thing that sticks either

 

melodyrider

That Lockheed can talk?

 

Amokitty

That brings up a question. Is Kitty really alive? Does she have consciousness? Or is she deader than a doornail having permanently phased within the metal of a speeding bullet? In effect, having phased herself to death?

 

melodyrider

My guess is by bonding with the bullet she's gone into some kind of stasis. That's how I'd explain it if I brought her back, at least

 

Xakko

it would have to be. no matter how big that bullet tip was, there's no way there's enough air to keep her alive long enough to die of thirst or starvation

 

Amokitty

But keep in mind while she was permanently phased due to Harpoon, Kitty had no food or water. Funny how Claremont's idea of her powers turning on her and potentially causing her to die have been realized....

 

melodyrider

*nods* Either that or her powers simply have a natural way of compensating for situations that would keep her from accessing the basic things she needs to live when she can't turn it off

 

Xakko

i always figured there was a field that constantly phased the air for her to breathe while phased

 

Amokitty

I can't remember what Scott said, but wasn't it something to the effect of we can't save Kitty without stopping the bullet first because of other planets being destroyed? The needs of the many and all that crap? Doesn't Earth's heroes have a responsibility to ENSURE the bullet is stopped? they're relying on Kitty alone to do this, even though the bullet is a planetary threat? whatever.

 

melodyrider

Which makes sense, but like Amo said, how do you account for the lack of food and water during the whole FF vs X-Men thing?

 

Amokitty

With the chamber Kitty was forced to stay in? Makes sense to me.

 

melodyrider

Possibly. But I'm not sure. That chamber was working overtime as it was just to hold her molecules together. I'm not sure it could do that and tend to her nutritional needs as well

 

Amokitty

The chamber had to have provided oxygen for Kitty's molecular structure to absorb, but food and water is something else. Perhaps while phased her cells don't need to replicate? And because of it, they don't sustainance as well? I'm grabbing at straws here! :D

 

Xakko

do we know how long she was in that state?

 

Amokitty

I mean to say Kitty's *cells* don't need sustainace...

 

Amokitty

In real time it was years, but marvel time i have no idea.

 

Xakko

I meant from the Morlock Massacre to the end of FF vs the X-men

 

melodyrider

I think that might have been indicated somewhere at the start of the mini. And when Colossus returns in UXM it does say how long he'd been recovering in Muir

 

Amokitty

From the Morlock Massacre to basically the beginning of Excalibur? A matter of months I suppose.

 

melodyrider

*nods* That's how I remember it as well

 

melodyrider

But Kitty's survival in this case is likely to be something different than that story

 

Amokitty

So is she dead (for now) or not? Yea or nea, my friends?

 

Xakko

the dates on Uncanny Xmen.net have to be wrong

 

melodyrider

She isn't. They as much say so in the page where Scott's talking to Peter

 

Xakko

she's alive

 

Amokitty

The way I read it it sounds like Scott is questioning whether Kitty is even alive.... but that's just me.

 

Xakko

uncannyxmen.net lists Uncanny #211, where she gets hurt, as being November 86, and the first issue of Fantastic Four vs the Xmen as February 1985

 

melodyrider

Statis, symbiotic relationship with the bullet, etherial state, whatever's going on to keep the bullet phased, she's alive

 

Amokitty

Those dates are NOT right.

 

Xakko

my point was that she could concentrate to solidity at the end of the FF series

 

Amokitty

I seem to remember FF vs, the X-men being 1987, but I'll swear on a bible it wasn't 1985!

 

Xakko

feb 1987 looks like

 

melodyrider

It was 1997. and no, she hadn't become solid at the end of FF vs X-Men. We didn't see her manage that until Excalibur

 

melodyrider

*1987

 

melodyrider

Gah

 

Xakko

hrmmm. i thought the beginning of Excalibur she said she had to concentrate to stay solid

 

melodyrider

It did. That's what I'm referring to.

 

Amokitty

I'm assuming there’s a recovery perios while they moved her from Latveria back to Muir Isle?

 

Amokitty

recovery *period* that is.

 

melodyrider

*nods* And likely a long one. Because she's not even living in Muir when The Sword is Drawn starts

 

Xakko

isn't Lockheed on her shoulder when she watches the x-men in Dallas?

 

Amokitty

Yep, he was!

 

Xakko

anyway, it's kinda irrelevant since it doesn't tell us anything about how she's interacting with the magic bullet

 

Amokitty

True. *grins*

 

Amokitty

But how the hell can she stay alive in that thing? Because i fear whoever brings her back will have as empty a reason as Joss did for Peter. remember all the debates over Ord obtaining Peter's body? Heh, heh.

 

Xakko

stasis works for me - somehow she's bonded with the Breakworldian metal in a phased state

 

Xakko

time isn't a huge problem if Illyana's doing the rescue. More so if it's Rachel

 

melodyrider

*nods* The metal was changing her, even before she pulled this extreme stunt. So that would have to be connected to how she survives

 

Xakko

needless to say, this will be ignored in my personal fanfic continuity

 

Xakko

unless I have it so Rachel et all save her, but it doesn't make much sense since I'm ignoring Messiah Complex

 

Amokitty

I only hope you guys are right and Kitty lives. But even if she doesn't, it's only a matter of time before she's resurrected. Either way, we're sure going to miss her. :(

 

Xakko

yeah

 

melodyrider

*nods* Having her gone makes me pretty sad

 

Amokitty

Of course, we USED to waiting now. Joss has taught us how to be patient!

 

Amokitty

*we're* sigh…

 

Amokitty

After four years of only 25 issues we should be considered saints.

 

melodyrider

We waited just as long to have Peter back *nods*

 

Amokitty

*laughs* yeah!

 

Amokitty

Okay Van Lente. It's up to you now to give us our Kitty and Kiotr fixes. don't let us down!

 

Xakko

yeah, but I wasn't reading comics while Peter was gone

 

Amokitty

I collected, but read precious little during that time if that makes sense.

 

melodyrider

Neither was I. But that doesn't really count because I hadn't been reading comics for ten years when I finally came back

 

Xakko

I was reading sporadically - the Lobdell years lost me, pretty much. The 90's in general bored me.

 

melodyrider

I kept trying to get back into it, but whenever I did I seemed to run through a hit parade of Kitty's wost moments >.<

 

melodyrider

First issue I looked at after abandoning comics? Soulsword trilogy. Put it down and figured I was better off staying out

 

Amokitty

During that time I stopped buying a lot of comics. I think that's going to happen again. I've been cutting back a lot lately and I see the trend continuing. I just don't care about what the next big arc is. whether it's about Skrulls, the 198, or whatever. The focus on individual stories is gone.

 

Xakko

I seem to be spending more, and ending up less satisfied.

 

Xakko

my LCS had a buy 5, get 5 free this past month - and we kinda went nuts.

 

melodyrider

I'm not really finding much to like with a lot of the new titles, but the ones I've already been collecting seem to be improving a lot this year

 

Xakko

nearly everything I buy disappoints at most levels.

 

Amokitty

Kitty Pryde was the sole reason I became a comics fan. With her gone it isn't the same. When Peter was dead it had a definite impact made more so because Kitty for all intents and purposes was gone too. They both went away.

 

Xakko

Thor was good, PAD She-hulk made me miss Dan Slott lots. Complete Onslaught vol 2 was lame.

 

Xakko

for me it was the opposite - Piotr's my absolute favorite, the reason I kept buying comics.

 

Amokitty

I'm glad Peter is sticking around, but I have no faith in Brubaker so I think it'll be a return to several years ago for me and cut back on almost everything.

 

Xakko

in many ways, he'd "died" long before #390

 

Amokitty

You're right. Peter as an Acolyte and the brain damage and all that was handled pretty poorly. I have no problem with him joining Magneto, just the way Lobdell went about it.

 

Amokitty

I have too high of an expectation with what I'm paying for, I think. ;)

 

Xakko

so, is the finale of BoM living up to your expectations, Amokitty?

 

Amokitty

it is. :) I haven't read the Thor section yet, but Illyana and Kitty's words to Belasco made me whoop and holler out loud. THAT'S an exciting read.

 

Xakko

If I've timed it right, I'll need four more sections. I *really* hope my final solution doesn't come across as too cheesy

 

Amokitty

At least you're concerned, Xak. I find myself wondering if most of Marvel's writers simply don't give a damn.

 

Xakko

unlike Marvel, the only benefit I get is if my readers enjoy it

 

Xakko

I'm fairly sure my last scene - the Logan/Wisdom one - will work. but the actual climax - that's the tricky part

 

Amokitty

I don't envy Mel on writing his Adventures of Kitty Pryde. It'll be tough going I suspect given that he's following canon. Tough from an emotional/fan standpoint that is. Do you worry how you're going to tackle this Mel? Even though some of it is already plotted? Plots are not written scripts, after all. I would think it would too hard knowing that you have to write her stories without her in them at some point.

 

Amokitty

You know I didn't think I'd enjoy Wisdom much in BoM, but you've proved me wrong. They're like the Odd Couple sort of. it's great!

 

Amokitty

Wisdom and Logan, I mean.

 

Xakko

the key for me is giving Wisdom a fair shake. Keep the snark, dish out some snark, but remember he's a highly competent agent.

 

melodyrider

I'm not sure. I hope I'll be able to make it work, but part of the idea behind this was to prove Kitty could be written in character regardless of what she's doing in canon, and writing stories that don't have her don't really contribute to that endeavor

 

melodyrider

The only good thing about these delays is that I'll be able to write a lot of stories with her before I have to acknowledge this issue

 

Xakko

then again, Cable & Deadpool lasted how long without Cable? and CC planned to have Wolverine "dead" for ages in his "Dark Wolverine Saga" that got nixed

 

Xakko

(thankfully)

 

Amokitty

Maybe Ellis or Brubaker will give us a break and bring her back - soon. Something that bothers me though.... we'll never see what everybody on the team thinks of losing Kitty. The opportunities for that are long gone now with Messiah complex being over with. Very disappointing. Lots of people thought of Jean. Several thought of and mourned Peter. I doubt that Kitty will be as lucky.

 

melodyrider

*nods* On the other hand, that might mean the reaction to her coming back will be all the more clearly portrayed

 

Amokitty

Depends on the writer doesn't it? So far what we've seen hasn't been stellar. But if it's Ellis who does it then who knows? What matters most is that she's brought back soon. Here's to you, Kitty Pryde, and all the hours of joy you've given us. :)

 

Xakko

hear, hear

 

melodyrider

Agreed

 

Amokitty

Now if i could just get over being sad! It's up to you guys now to make the wait bearable!

 

Amokitty

So write excellent fanfic to tide your fans over, okay?

 

melodyrider

I'll do what I can!

 

Amokitty

:)

 

Xakko

she's not dead to us!

 

Amokitty

And in the end I guess that's what really matters isn't it?

 

Xakko

well, it's 4:30 in the morning here...

 

Xakko

I think I gotta bail

 

melodyrider

Wow. It really is late. I should turn in, too

 

Amokitty

You're a peach, Xakko Warner!

 

Xakko

is that why puff likes me so much?

 

Xakko

g'nite amokitty and MR...

 

Xakko

it's been great chatting!

 

melodyrider

Night, Xakko

 

Amokitty

Thank you both for taking the time to give us your thoughts on all this. it means so much having you here!

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Amokitty

Good night, Xak. And thanks!

 

Amokitty

Mel, you play a marvelous devil's advocate. Thanks again for giving us your perspective and your ideas for fic.

 

melodyrider

My pleasure, Amo! I'll see you guys next time, then, okay?

 

Amokitty

Great! We'll be here. :)  Good night Mel!

 

melodyrider

Good night, Amo!

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Amokitty

These chats may have started due to Kitty and Peter’s involvement in Astonishing X-Men, but by no means will they end now that Kitty is gone.  We’ll be back to discuss young Kitty in Wolverine First Class, Colossus in Uncanny X-Men, and of course the incredible work done by Kiotr fanfiction writers who are serious about the quality of their stories – and which give the rest of us so much enjoyment.  Special thanks to Starsinger, Darkbat, Kirayoshi, Xakko, Author 376, Madripoor Rose, Melodyrider, Darkstorm5000, and Jeremy Harper for giving their opinions on Astonishing, as well as sharing ideas on their current and upcoming fanfiction.  They always make it such a great evening!  See you next month, everyone!  :)  Good night.       

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